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I Live In a Sexless Marriage

I Found Out The Reason Why But it only means I should have left years ago

By: GibbySan
Written on September 15th, 2012
By: GibbySan
Age: 51-55 , Female
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  • Darlene73

    Been reviewing your story and your comment about getting a divorce has merit. It seems that you have tried to work things out to no avail. And now your at a crossroads on just what to do?

    Life can be a twisted turn of events and I like you have difficulty with change and the fact that people we had loved can change so very much that it affects our very happiness itself......

    At some point we come to a point that we can no longer tolerate to continue without some change as to continue affects our very being.....

    You need to make a decision plus minus and it seems that reaching out on EP is a cry for help, which is good........

    I'm nearby in so many ways....

    If I can be of any assistance let me know...I'm a paralegal and have done many divorces and I don't charge for my services..........

    So if you wish to contact me in that regard just let me know - OK either way I'm here to let your hair down...

    I've added you to my circle and I can tell you that I'm a T and well on my way to a very satisfying way of life for me and no it hasn't been easy by any means for me but that said I shan't go back either!

    Love and Hugs

    Your Friend Darlene

    Mar 16
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  • gypsyblu

    He began speaking in monosyllables


    yep my sexless, refuser, P/A does the same thing, as if he has his own language that I'm suppose to figure out!

    for god sakes he was a lead singer in a band in his younger days, how in the world did her ever command an audience? ( he actually made his living with it back then ) ill never know!!!

    Mar 15
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    • GibbySan

      Have you read "Living With the Passive-Aggressive Man"? It talks about how they expect other people to figure out what they want without verbalizing it.

      My husband is a ship's officer and is in charge of a crew. His shipmates love him and tell me what a great guy he is. When it's work related, he's all over it. When it comes to our marriage, he sits there paralyzed.

      We haven't had sex in nine months and I can tell he's waiting for me to say or do something but I'm just not interested anymore.

      Mar 16
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  • Darlene73

    A smorgasbord of responses, I have been through what your going through and its really hard for especially a woman in our society to be on her own completely. Believe me the answer lies within yourself not a shrink , pills or another jerk. You ask is it to much to find a love that doesn't have some other self interest of their own? It seems that is the rule. Whatever the answer will come to pass if it helps to talk with me I'm here for you. mute 72

    Nov 17, 2012
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  • auspicious

    Wow! What an insight. Sex has been so abused by this society, the "it's dirty concept" rages. It is mostly the fault of religion, but it has caused so much misery. Time to be free from antiquated ideas.

    Nov 13, 2012
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  • RobertCentralPA

    What's so sad about this is WHY do the men/women who want sex and intimacy and passion wing up marrying those who do not? My situation, exactly, and I understand the depth of the pain and the deep sadness not having closeness/intimacy it creates in the "unloved" partner. As a guy, I can imagine how difficult it would be to deal with ED, but there is help and you surely tried. Hope you can get out of that relationship (do it with class, but DO IT!) and find someone to "ring your bell" many, many times before it's too late. God bless!

    Nov 13, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      His ED is psychological. His schlong malfunctions because he's passive aggressive and PA's refuse their partners sex continuously (he can go FOREVER) because they are pissed off about other things but will NEVER tell you what they are.

      He can best be described as emotionally absent.

      Nov 13, 2012
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  • charlotte1220

    Wow.
    I am proud of you for standing your ground and moving forward with your life!I honestly teared up while reading your story. Going to check out passive aggressive behaviors now!

    Nov 3, 2012
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  • Sharpie7

    Best of luck to you. You've paid your dues and deserve love and happiness. From experience, I can say that getting to the final decision point takes a long time. But we know when we have arrived.

    Oct 18, 2012
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    • revellr

      You are exactly right. It does take a long, grey time to finally make the decision. But then, maybe something happens that becomes the "straw", or seems like the straw, but in truth I guess you really made the decision some time ago, you just didn't accept it yet. You have to un-learn your life as it is and learn a new one. That takes time for cognitive and emotional acceptance.

      Oct 18, 2012
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  • ulae

    Independent of the current story, "She Comes First"? What weirdo would write a book like that? Why would anyone want to read such a polarized book irrespective of what the actual trouble is?

    Oct 9, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      With all due respect, judging by your comment, you have no idea what the subject of the book is.

      He promised to read it as part of sex therapy, as he has zero skills in bed.

      Two years after promising to read it, I was still getting mauled and drooled on.

      Oct 9, 2012
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  • eleanorssong

    You deserve better. Ann Landers used to answer women who couldn't make a decision whether to stay married or to leave, this way. "Are you better off with him or without him? That's the decision you need to make for yourself". Ann Landers (Ms. Eppie Lederer), may she rest in peace, was a very wise woman as was her sister, "Dear Abby".

    Oct 5, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      I have asked myself the same question - I agree it's a good litmus test.

      Oct 7, 2012
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    • eleanorssong

      He obviously believes the other "extra special" things he does for you make up for his lack of intimacy. However, whether they do or not is for you to decide, not him (unless you admit that he, instead of you, controls your life).

      Oct 8, 2012
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  • katlady66

    My husband of 22 years is not only passive aggressive, but a sociopath. These are behaviors that I don't believe change...which is why he will forever be my husband of 22 years. I left and could not be happier. I have watched him do to his current gf what he did to me all those years...like I said, never change.

    Oct 2, 2012
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    • carla0811n

      Sounds like you found out the best thing to do with relationships like this. Good for you, happy your happy..

      Oct 2, 2012
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    • gypsyblu

      yep my refuser is doing the very same thing to me, that he did to his x wife of 20 years.

      Mar 16
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  • Slim492

    It sounds like you have things figured out. Some people can't tell you what they want because they aren't in touch with themselves enough to know. Best of luck to you, please don't give up.

    Sep 22, 2012
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  • bkm3045

    Your story is really heart-breaking. But in this country I have seen high school students making love (dating) for years so that they know (in advance of the actual marriage), the ability of the boy to pleasure a woman, or otherwise.

    Then why didn't you ever sex-test this impotent man before marrying him?

    In the Asian countries like mine, I have seen many women crying for the inability of their husbands to satisfy them. But there they have no option of that sex-trial before marriage, because of no chance of dating.

    But here in this Western world, it is unfortunate that you married a man without trying him for enough length of time, before marriage. Or, was he perfect initially, and later has lost his ability to satisfy a woman by excessive drinking, as is the case with some of my friends?

    Sep 20, 2012
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  • carla0811n

    Very sad dear. Yet your story is so common here on EP. We all have our intimacy issues in our marriages. What happened to LOVE?

    Sep 20, 2012
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  • revellr

    Oh God, you must we must be married to the same man! I have done this dance for 25 years and have accused him many times of being passive/aggressive. It's the PA with a combo of emotionally unavailability. When I come out and directly and bluntly explain what I want, he looks at me as if he's a deer in headlights. It's literally as if I'm speaking another language. Bringing this up is the quickest way to an "escape fight" he creates out of desperation. I, like you, have lost ALL hope. We have not made love our entire marriage. He literally cannot. Just as he literally cannot share an emotion other than the everyday irritation from work, traffic, politics or the superiority he feels towards most people.

    Sep 19, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      I'm so sorry.

      Actually, one of the signs that someone is PA is that they are emotionally unavailable. You would think that they are separate, but they aren't.

      My H has always been good at hiding this because he loves to hold hands and hug and snuggle. One it goes beyond that, though, he becomes clueless and clumsy and only does the bare minimum to fake his way through.

      We've never made love, either, just had sex (whenever he hasn't been able to avoid it) and during which he withholds 90% of himself. He thinks if he gives me his penis, that's a success and he doesn't understand why I'm not happy about it.

      Yep, the "deer in the headlights" look. I've seen it many times as well.

      I really want to tell him "I'm sorry you mother screwed you up psychologically, but I'm done being the one who pays the price".

      Sep 19, 2012
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    • revellr

      Funny you should mention the mother. His mother is VERY emotionally distant, cool, cut off, unaffectionate, unemotional, etc. I really feel he was probably emotionally deprived as a baby and child. Even when our two kids were babies and small children, she NEVER showed ANY affection towards them or talked to them in loving way. It was always a tone of correction or discipline. I feel bady for him, but just like, I'm tired of paying the price. I cannot make up what he wasn't given and I can't deprive myself for the rest of my life.
      The sex is really kind of sad; I go for months without any sex and then have a melt down and basically demand it, only to be so let down and feeling worse than I did before. Vicious cycle. If I try explain what's missing, again, it's as if I am saying it in Russian. He just sees it as me never being happy or satisfied, not that it is a SOLELY physical act that he might as well do with the neighbor.

      Sep 19, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      From my research it all starts when a small child is punished for showing anger and learns to stuff it down and then act out in other ways that are not obvious. One site I read said the anger of a PA "leaks out" so that others aren't aware of it. The only difference between my H and his mother is that she enjoys being mean and he's not like that.

      Sep 19, 2012
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    • Dontlookback1

      "Just as he literally cannot share an emotion other than the everyday irritation from work, traffic, politics or the superiority he feels towards most people."
      The only emotion my H shows is anger. I completely understand what you're saying. I am way past the end of my rope and he doesn't even get why. I could go on and on. I've bought books he hasn't read, been to a number of counselors (with and without him), searched the internet, cried, nagged, moved out of the bedroom (three years ago), gotten involved with someone else (big mistake, since I DO get emotionally involved and this person was not available, heartbreak city to this day), and on and on. If there were poster children for PA, my husband and his family would be right there.
      If things could shake out in my jurisdiction in my favor (100% custody of the kids), I'd be gone already. This man has put me in dark depression three times now. It's a struggle to survive every day. I read on this site as much as I can, and I feel for everyone on here. This sucks.

      Sep 19, 2012
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    • revellr

      Gibby, think you are right on it. One thing I've learned about him over the years is that he has no "self" sometimes. Like it is sometmes very, very easy for me to get him to like/dislike something instead of him making his own, real call. Then later he will let his REAL opinion "bleed" through. The same with his feelings. He'll say what he thinks you want or is expected of him, but then his real feelings "bleed" through as well. It's almost always anger.
      I completely lay this issue squarely on the shoulders of his mother. No expression at all! Nothing. Nill. His father has commented to me many times that he knows what I have to deal with because the son/H is identical to the mother/w. His father will cry on a dime and express exactly what he feels.

      Sep 26, 2012
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    • revellr

      Dontlookback, How much time do you have until you can cut the ties? I am pretty adamant about not doing the shared custody thing. My youngest is in high school so it's not too far off that we can move on with our lives. Research shows that kids need a father more when they're older, vs a mother as babies & young children. I accept this but refuse to not have DAILY physical/emotional contact with my youngest, even if he really doesn't need it like he used to. My H accepts this and understands it. We have come to a weird marriage pergatory, and are just waiting until our child raising responsibilities are done. If you'd ask him why we will eventually get divorced, he'll say it's because we have no common interests. That's just the tip of the iceberg. But like you, I am waaaayyyy past arguing about the whys. I just do my best to get through each day as civilly as possible while my mind is projecting to the life I want in the future. (If you're not familiar with titles like "As A Man Thinketh", check them out. Basically means you create your life by thinking and feeling it into existence. Whatever you think, you become.)

      Sep 26, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      Revellr, Holy crap, his mother's opinion is always the opinion of the last person she talked to.

      With my H, I'm never sure if he's doing something because he thinks I want him to or because he actually wants to.

      Sep 26, 2012
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    • revellr

      Yes! Yes! H is ALL OVER THE PAGE! I mean one day it's "I hate..."and the next "...is my favorite!". This is one of his personality issues that has really, really, really drove me nutso. Sometimes I have felt like I am literally married to a crazy person with zero ability to develop himself, know himself and share himself.

      Sep 26, 2012
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    • revellr

      And he frequently agrees to do things happliy, only to later complain and ***** and moan that I should know he didn't want to do whatever it was. Maddening!

      Sep 26, 2012
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    • nyartgal

      Yes yes yes!!! My H is ALL OF THESE THINGS. Mother is a textbook narcissist, histrionic, hyper-critical, emotionally abusive. Father is an enabler. My H does not really know himself because he has never been honest with himself---he never learned the tools to detect or know or analyze or deal with his own emotions because no one but his mother was allowed to have emotions. I feel terrible for him, but like the posters above, I am tired of it---I wasn't put on this earth to give him a place to focus his anger, whether it comes out in the form of emotional withholding (yes), sexlessness (yes), being late (yes), procrastination (yes), lying (yes), obstructionism (yes) or the usual anger leakage described above. If there is any quality I am looking for in a man going forward, it's that he truly LIKES himself.

      Oct 2, 2012
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    • revellr

      NYARTGAL, I have to tell you something. I met a man through work a few days ago (I'm in the medical field, so he was briefly a patient of mine). Anyway, he was with his wife and they were two of the most wonderful people you could ever meet. But more to the point, if I could have sat down at a table and designed a man that was 180 degrees DIFFERENT than my H, this would have been the man. I have to say, you just don't come across a man that is so in tuned with himself, how he feels, direct and assertive (not aggressive), expressive of feelings, honest, open,....I could go on and on. Anyway, I thought, "Lady, you don't know how damned lucky you are to have a man like that." To top it off, he was successful and apparently driven as well. Point of this story; they're out there. There's hope. I know exactly what I want in my next partner.

      Oct 3, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      NYARTGAL, I hope you will stick around this board even though I know you are split up. You write VERY well and seem to know just how to hit the nail on the head.

      Oct 3, 2012
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  • nyjeri

    I'm going thru a situation somewhat like this except I believe he is a master manipulator and narcissistic.When I can I plan to change my life for the better. I'm happy for you that you have decided it's not worth losing more time. Blessings on your life journey.

    Sep 18, 2012
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  • ulae

    In defense of PA, there are situations where no other response is appropriate.

    Sep 18, 2012
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  • mrnature

    at least you are finally getting answers and reclaiming your future happiness

    Sep 17, 2012
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  • adinfinim

    I have a friend. much the same type of marriage. she divorced 9 years ago. since then she has "discovered herself" and her self worth.
    she retired 2 years ago from a good job. moved to a new city. met a man who is kind, sexual, smart, and considerate. and very good to/for her.
    she is now living a life she should have been living 40 years ago and she is happy.
    it can happen. it does happen. it will happen.

    Sep 16, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      Thank you. When I told our sex therapist I was going to divorce him, first she said I was "discarding my marriage lightly" and then she ended up saying "Maybe you'll find another relationship some day". Needless to say, I'm done with her as well.

      Sep 16, 2012
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    • mrnature

      wise decision

      Sep 17, 2012
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    • Chai07

      Hey therapist, way to be supportive! Jeepers. Gibbysan, you WILL find another relationship, if that's what you want. When you're good and ready.

      Oct 11, 2012
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  • Gigimus

    Pretty much the same here.

    Sep 16, 2012
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  • EinEngel

    'And the truth shall set you free.' Amen.

    Sep 16, 2012
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  • hornyman64

    Sounds similar to my wife

    Sep 16, 2012
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  • Warriorpoett

    I think when you saw that face distorted by anger you were actually seeing his true face for the first time. His mask slipped and his inner anger showed through. PA people almost always have a reservoir of inner anger and his got loose for a moment. I studied this extensively and it's a no win situation and you've already hit the wall when it became apparent to you that you were toast and that no matter what happened you were no longer interested in him. Once that happens the door beckons because there is no reason left to stay around and put up with more abuse. Good luck with your new life.

    Sep 16, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      "I think when you saw that face distorted by anger you were actually seeing his true face for the first time. His mask slipped and his inner anger showed through."

      I agree 100%; those were my thoughts exactly. Now he's being incredibly nice again (never having addressed the issue I brought up, of course) but I just look at him and think "Who the **** are you, really?"

      Sep 16, 2012
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    • FriendofPromise

      Not the man you thought you knew... that ability to be "nice" and ignore the topic as tho it never occurred is all part and parcel.

      Sep 16, 2012
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    • revellr

      Gibby, are we living parallel lives or what! Is think to myself sometimes, Jekyll or Hyde today? Toss a coin. LOL

      Sep 26, 2012
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    • gypsyblu

      yes my refuser goes through stages, honey moon (when feeling like he is going to lose his status quo.)

      acting normal (when he feels that I'm paying attention to his honey moon treats)

      then back to crawling back into his empty, P/A - no where world (when he feeling like iv took the bait completely)

      Does he even know that I no longer love him??

      Mar 16
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    • Warriorpoett

      Not likely that he even cares as long as there's no change in his little world. Love really means nothing to these people their routine is everything to them and when you start disrupting that routine they will move to repair the damage to regain that routine. Other people are just incidentals in their lives there for their convenience. Once you figure that out it isn't so hard to leave because once you kn ow that you were no better than a servant leaving becomes pretty easy.

      Mar 16
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  • gypsyblu

    i have posted info on passsive agressive behavior , if you would like to read up on it

    Sep 16, 2012
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    • revellr

      I'll certainly check it out. Thanks

      Sep 26, 2012
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  • morningteatime

    There is always a place where the fog clears and the decision is made. Frankly I think we make our decisions subconsciously long before they arrive fully into our consciousness. We need that one last thing to incite us into action. You've found it.

    You've been here long enough to know the reasons don't really matter except to you. We have this relentless need to make sense of something that doesn't make sense. As I sit here after 2 weeks of separation, I can honestly say it still doesn't make sense except...we are incompatible.

    I don't blame him. I actuallly accept him now exactly as he is. He's just not able to give me what I need so I must accept this and move toward my happiness. It's time for you. Honestly once you've made your decision, the weight begins to get lighter until you are floating and free.

    You've come a long way and you're almost there. My heart is with you.

    Sep 16, 2012
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    • enna30

      "We have this relentless need to make sense of something that doesn't make sense. As I sit here after 2 weeks of separation, I can honestly say it still doesn't make sense except...we are incompatible. "

      This makes PERFECT sense, MTT.

      Sep 16, 2012
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    • revellr

      Wow. I am just getting "there". Thanks for the words (to all of us) of encouragement. I can just se down the drak hole, and can barely make out a pin-point of light, so I know it's there! It's just a matter or timing and making arrangements to move on to a better place. At this time, I am no longer angry or mad at him at all. I have come to the acceptance of who he is and really only want the best for him. I hope I can get where you are someday.

      Sep 19, 2012
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  • Fool4Waiting

    It seems like once you tell "someone" the rest is pretty much "all she wrote."

    Sep 16, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      That's why I've started to tell close friends. I have to start somewhere.

      Sep 16, 2012
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  • elkclan

    It's the little things that are big things. I bought many books. Books which were to help us. He offered to read one of them, but didn't. Never would.

    Sep 16, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      I actually knew his refusal to read the book he promised would be the beginning of the end.

      Sep 16, 2012
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  • Apocrypha

    "it was pretty stunning/disturbing to see his face twist into a mask of complete anger and hatred." <====> "all the while he's been punishing me because he's really afraid of intimacy".

    This does not necessarily strike me as someone who is necessarily afraid of intimacy, but rather as someone who harbors anger and hatred for you, or for something that is triggered within the circumstance of being in a relationship with you, perhaps to something prior, something else. But unless he actually comes to the table to deal with it, you really have nothing to work with here.

    Sep 15, 2012
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    • nyartgal

      He also could be angry at his mother, himself, the economy, his boss, the weather, etc etc and just be taking it out on you. My PA husband has no ability to recognize what he's feeling, forget determine the cause. Just because he's angry at you doesn't mean you are the actual source of his anger---it could just be collateral anger or you get lumped in with all the other people he blames for his own personal failings, instead of taking responsibility himself. If you want to discuss more, pm me...:)

      Sep 16, 2012
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    • GibbySan

      He fits nearly every box you can check for passive-aggressiveness, and the withholding intimacy is said to be because a PA person is afraid to get close to anyone. That's the textbook explanation, anyway, but since the best he can come up with for why he doesn't want sex is either to tell me that he does, while never actually doing anything or the always convenient "I don't know" you're right, there's nothing to work with.

      Sep 16, 2012
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    • revellr

      >>>the best he can come up with for why he doesn't want sex is either to tell me that he does, while never actually doing anything or the always convenient "I don't know" you're right<<< mmmm huh, yep, yep.

      Sep 26, 2012
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  • FriendofPromise

    Harsh as hell to finally find out... but also freeing...

    Sep 15, 2012
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    • revellr

      Yes it is. I am at a place of acceptance, rather than confusion and rage. I have pulled the big girl pants up and began taking the sequence of steps necessary to build a new life.

      Sep 26, 2012
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  • darktippedrose

    way to go. I wonder if my hubby might be passive aggressive? or have aspergers? at one time we had a somewhat satisfying sexlife. but sometimes it just seems the marriage jacked up over something small he's not telling me.

    i sometimes think he's mad at me for getting pregnant.

    Sep 15, 2012
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    • bazzar

      Reckon you can fix passive aggression in your husband ? Reckon you can fix aspergers in your husband ? Reckon you can fix having got pregnant ? Reckon you can fix 'something your husband isn't telling you' ?

      Sep 15, 2012
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    • darktippedrose

      hell no I can't. but it makes sense now. but of course it doesn't change everything else.

      Sep 16, 2012
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  • Chai07

    Yeah. Toward the end, my ex admitted he was very angry at me. But he could NOT talk to me in any detail about it. There's a point where you just have to cut your losses and go have a real life.

    Sep 15, 2012
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    • nyartgal

      Mine says the same but refuses to tell me why. It's just another way of controlling me. Of I don't know why, I can't do anything about it. And he refuses to let go of the anger. It's a death grip. Meanwhile, I've been a great wife and have given plenty of blanket apologies for anything I've done---other spouses are less angry at cheaters or abuses or even murderers than he is at me. But why?? A few weeks ago he said he was going to write me an email that finally would reveal the source of his anger towards me. Do you think I ever received said email? Take a wild guess! The whole anger excuse is just a power play. I'm over it.

      Sep 16, 2012
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    • revellr

      Wow, that is bizarro. That is soooo PA. Can he even speak to you?

      Sep 26, 2012
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