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I Live In a Sexless Marriage

It Isn't All Bad

By: enna30
Written on September 22nd, 2012
By: enna30
Age: 56-60 , Female
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  • ulae

    "Cannot just go out and get a new battery to fix the marriage" -- why not? Women are doing this all the time!

    Feb 5
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  • bazzar

    It is interesting to see on these pages at times, remarks like - "if it wasn't for the kids, I'd be outta here".

    We can, do, and have, ALL played this game at some stage where we would leave IF (insert the circumstance of your choosing)
    And we have ALL been guilty of looking at someone elses circumstances and suggesting to that person they leave - as (to us) their circumstance look "easier" than our own.

    The neglected spouse might say "I'd leave if my spouse was verbally abusive to me"

    The verbally abused spouse might say "I'd leave if my spouse was physically abusive to me"

    The physically abused spouse might say "I'd leave if I had the money"

    The spouse with money might say "I'd leave if my spouse neglected me"

    And back to the neglected spouse, who would leave IF - - - - - - -.

    It is like an elliptical arguement that just goes round and round and round.

    Thing is, YOUR marriage, as it is NOW is what you end up having to make your choice on. And, of those examples above, NONE of them are going to be any easier than another for the spouse making the choice.
    Sure, some might be more difficult than others to unravel because of added complexities, but the CHOICE will be equally difficult for them all.

    The "I'd leave IF - - - - - - - - - -" view is largely fooling yourself. You give yourself a pass on making a choice based on the facts on the ground, by throwing facts not in evidence in your own way.

    It is similar to the thinking in "The College Plan" where you defer the choice until the kids go to college, then defer it again once that deadline arrives.

    It is similar to "The Talk" (undertaken without an exit plan to back it up) that achieves nothing by the deadline, again resulting in further defferal.

    There is nothing "wrong" in acknowledging that your marriage is a dud, but deciding to stay anyway. One could argue how smart such a choice might be, but you can't argue with someone making that legitimate choice.

    But if you are taking a position that if your dysfunctional marriage just got that key little bit worse you'd leave, then you are fooling yourself. You'd have already left.

    Tread your own path.

    Feb 5
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  • dartist

    I agree with this story because I have known Enna for years and she is a true soul. I trust that she does research and also applies her life lessons to what she concludes.Some people read this and get caught up on their own personal "what the ****" experiences in marriage. Projecting their angst onto Enna serves no purpose.

    If you have been ill used then use the courts to address this. If you have been ill used by your own co-dependency then change from this point forward. You have no right to blame Enna or any other souls outside of your own family as to your mental or financial demise.

    Only until you and you alone take full control of your life can you point a finger of guilt. That finger comes back to you every time but it takes an extremely strong manor woman to face this pointed finger. Putting it's course on another is a cop put! Bullshit always has the same scent!

    Feb 5
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  • enna30

    Bumping this up . . .

    Jan 31
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  • Shoreboy

    As always Enna thoughtful, well researched, and well spoken! Bravo.



    I just ended my marriage and separated and I realized now what I 'knew' all along. It isn't about 'measuring sticks'. It isn't about 'my marriage versus others'. No it's actually quite simple. Can you look yourself in the eye in the mirror in the morning and say 'given the choice I would choose this over not having this'? If you can then stay. If you can't then don't. I couldn't do that. I looked myself in the eye and knew in my heart this wasn't right or healthy for me. Period. That having no relationship with a woman at all was better than the broken one I was in. Once I came to that conclusion my decision to leave became 'self evident' and I acted on it.

    Sep 28, 2012
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    • enna30

      Shoreboy, you and I go way back on this forum! I remember howe much you truly wanted for it to work. . . and I'msosad it didn't turn out that way for you. It is good to know you will soon be in a place where you will have the chance to findwhat you need. {{{Hugs}}}

      Sep 28, 2012
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  • enna30

    Good grief! I am NOT talking about cheating! I am simply pointing out that there comes a time when it is necessary to recognise that your marriage is essentially "over". And Pirateprincess, your therapist is WRONG. Many people (including me) end up divorcing someone we love because the essential incompatibilities are too great to reconcile.

    There is a well known member here who once said:
    "You are not meant to be with everyone you love".
    This is GOLD!

    PP, you were thinking of ending your life - that should tell you that this arriage is finished.

    Sep 28, 2012
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    • Shoreboy

      Agreed wholeheartedly. I have never and probably will never 'fall out of love' with my soon-to-be-ex wife. I love her. There was just no affection or intimacy in our relationship or behaviour towards one another and since she 'refused' to acknowledge that had to change, and certainly refused to do anything about it our marriage had to end. We both deserve the chance to find that again with someone. I must admit though if ever she has another partner and I get the chance to talk to the guy in private I'm going to tell him to run and don't stop!

      Sep 28, 2012
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  • PC2629

    I'll definitely need to read that book!

    Sep 28, 2012
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  • pirateprincess1982

    Enna30, Therapist once said, "If there are any emotions of love or hate left, it was not time to divorce yet. When apathy sets in, go for it." I tried suicide twice. Where does that place me?

    Sammy7000, you need to experience more of life. Have 3 kids, suddenly go broke, loose both your careers, realize cheating is present, but he still ignores his beautiful spouse.

    I gave up. Cheat away. I am too broken to fight it anymore. The old me is gone. She was a fighter. The new me just wants to survive.

    Sep 28, 2012
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    • Shoreboy

      Sorry I disagree strongly with your therapist. 'hate' and 'love' are not necessarily bound to affection and physical intimacy. You aren't lost to yourself. In fact you've found yourself. You haven't stopped being a fighter! You just have come to recognize a 'lost battle' and it's time to retrench and close this chapter in your 'book of life' and open the next one. Chin up once you leave it CAN get better because then you control it instead of the situation controlling you! Just my two cents of course.

      Sep 28, 2012
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  • DELENNIS

    That is a great story, I understand it because my wife is going through what you wrote.

    Sep 23, 2012
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    • enna30

      Does this mean your wife is deciding whether or not to leave your marriage?

      Sep 24, 2012
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    • DELENNIS

      Yes, it does.

      Sep 24, 2012
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    • enna30

      Have you written your story yet? It helps to share - others here are supportive ad helpful.

      Sep 25, 2012
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    • DELENNIS

      Yes, it is called" My Wife is a Narcissist."

      Sep 25, 2012
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  • mvcmvc

    I threw away looking at relationships in the good or bad way (well mostly - a moralistic way of looking at things is an excruciating difficult pattern to break in our societal/cultural enthusiasm to stubbornly place a moral frame around everything in our lives!).





    I do not find it particularly useful and found this pattern to not serve me well anymore.





    I switched to looking at all people and relationships in this way:





    How and in what specific ways does this person and relationship ADD value to my life?





    How and is what specific ways does this person and relationship SUBTRACT value to my life?





    Take away the either/or binary thinking pattern and replace it with value - might shed more light on the issue and help you get to a better answer.

    Sep 23, 2012
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    • enna30

      I absolutely admire and respect this viewpoint. It is SO healthy and adds to everyone's quality of life. Because if someone is detracting from value in your life, it is also a negative factor in THEIR life. Whether or not they recognise that, it remains true that if you are having a negative effect (long term) on someone else, it is essentially NOT good for you.

      Sep 24, 2012
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    • Shoreboy

      I agree but some aspects become very difficult to measure 'apples to apples' if you will on a scale, but I admire your outlook!

      Sep 28, 2012
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  • elkclan

    I highly recommend the "Too good to leave" book. It's very balanced and helps you think through issues and NO - it's not all geared toward leave. But it did help me realise that I had very little to stay for inside the relationship except for our financial partnership. (We've never disagreed about money to any major extent, we naturally have similar views to spending/saving. He's never been financially abusive, if anyone's bad on that score, it's me)

    Even though there were very few reasons to stay, even I can say it hasn't been ALL bad.

    Sep 23, 2012
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  • IJustWantYouToKnowWhoIAm

    it is a great post but i cant seem to get there. ive been a fan of your posts since i relate to your stories more so than i do to most people's on here...i dont know, like someone below said, it seems like my husband gives me everything else in the world he can to make up for what he cant and the thought of destroying all of what we share together kills me. plus, yeah, i do look around at other peoples problems and loneliness and think, maybe i am being incredibly greedy and selfish! what if i never find anyone who 'does it for me' and then i dont have that, nor do i have what i have now?

    Sep 23, 2012
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    • AloneInUK

      You are not greedy or selfish in striving for more happiness in life!

      Sep 23, 2012
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    • IJustWantYouToKnowWhoIAm

      Thanks

      Sep 24, 2012
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    • enna30

      Whilst ever you are not ready to leave, please DO NOT add guilt about "not leaving" to your burcen! Just say to yourself something like:
      "Ya know, I'm just not ready to go. Maybe I will, maybe I won't. But I don't have to decide now." Life itself has a way of providing answers - even the answers we don't want! And when (if) that happens, it will be your time to decide. One of my favourite sayings comes from the Desiderata and says:
      "whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should."
      Trust in the Universe, my friend! {{{hugs}}}

      Sep 24, 2012
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    • Shoreboy

      Greed or selfishness are not part of what you need to be happy. Wanting something more than bread and water to eat does not make you greedy or selfish, and wanting more than just 'presence' in your life doesn't either.

      Sep 28, 2012
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  • NeedingToVent

    Great post and what I needed to read. I am buying that book on Audible right now.

    Sep 23, 2012
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    • enna30

      I hope you find it helpful, as I did. For many of us it is just TOO hard to reach a conclusion about what o do without some outside help. {{{hugs}}}

      Sep 24, 2012
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    • NeedingToVent

      I am on chapter 2 and so far, so good. I have just finished listening to Co-dependent No More by Melody Beattie which was really good for me. Thanks for the support :-)

      Sep 25, 2012
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  • hl42

    Balance is generally a Good Thing - but - in the case of the SM is more symptomatic of our own self-deception and justification for accepting the unacceptable. IOW, it's often an excuse for us to avoid the hard choices and a way of balking at the fear we feel about change.

    In any case, I've found it helped me to avoid categorising myself or anyone else as good or bad, and to focus on behaviors and possibilities. Which avoids the blame frame and aligns on the future.

    My understanding is that, in successful unions, it does indeed help to have some of the old rose-tinting, because if we were merciless in our dissection - of ourselves or others - we would not always make pleasant viewing. There's a line somewhere that cuts through the BS and harm, yet lets us be charitable and yes, human.

    Sep 23, 2012
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    • enna30

      As so often happens, I wish I could LIKE this comment 50 times!! hl42, you rock!

      Sep 24, 2012
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  • EinEngel

    This reminds me of the Sopranos episode where, after the split with Carmela, Tony asks her (about their marriage), "It wasn't ALL bad, was it?" (Love the Sopranos)

    Sep 23, 2012
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  • gypsyblu

    They are sweet and nice and accommodating in other areas to make up for their lack of sex and intimacy, hoping you never noticed.

    Sep 23, 2012
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    • enna30

      I agree with you both - they hope you will find that their contribution is "enough" and they do fel bad about it (or some do, at least) and that also makes US feel guilty. It is truly a Gordian knot.

      Sep 24, 2012
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    • gypsyblu

      Thanks for replying Enna : )

      Sep 24, 2012
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    • pirateprincess1982

      Too true. I get little gifts, help with life, kids, but not "him" anymore. "I am just not worth it." Just got told to **** off. Now what?

      Sep 28, 2012
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  • gonebabygone

    People change. That is the way of life...you can grow together....or grow apart. The KEY is to remain clued into one's self. REALLY hard in a marriage, ESPECIALLY when little ones are involved. A HUGE challenge, one I did NOT successfully navigate...and so I am OUT...happy and sad, too

    Sep 23, 2012
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  • bazzar

    Her's the thing.

    You might acknowledge that your spouse is a bit lazy / financially irresponsible / unhelpfull with the kids / drinks a smidge too much / (insert vice of your choosing here) but with a bit of intimate connection, or even rudimentary rooting, you tend to put the downsides into perspective - and have a meaningful relationship.

    Take the intimate connection, or even rudimentary rooting out of the equation, and those downsides get to epic proportions reaching deal breaker status eventually.

    Tread your own path.

    Sep 22, 2012
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  • 88ElmiraSt

    A string of praising adjectives leading off a story here is a sure sign the marriage is terminal and the poster is in denial.

    Sep 22, 2012
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  • GibbySan

    Mine is when I drive by someone living under a bridge and think "My life isn't so bad after all!"

    Sep 22, 2012
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