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I Live In a Sexless Marriage

Every Step Is Painful

By: zsuzsilowinger
Written on December 20th, 2012
Age: 36-40 , Female
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  • vbkissmyass

    It sounds to me as if he has a really fragile ego and lacking in confidence. It is an ever-present dilemma for all of us, but for some it truly becomes debilitating and they can be acutely aware of it, yet not be able to move beyond it.

    Personally, accepting criticism from others is something that I find essential to me, in terms of personal growth, without feeling disproportionally anxious or depressed about it. It should absolutely be possible to accept that criticism is valid without feeling that you are a failure. It's like the old adage, to err is to be human, but you can only avoid making errors by doing nothing.

    I would also dare to say that it is also nicer if the criticism that comes your way is put to you in a proportionate, tactful, diplomatic way. I really believe that it is amazing what you can get away with saying to someone else just because of the way you say it. I believe it is possible to have a dispute without there being a 'winner' and a 'loser'. However, our instinct so often is to be emphatic, abusive even and in that case although we may win a battle, we all lose in the war. When someone poses a point of view that explicitly or implicitly says I am right, completely right and there is no margin for debate or alternative views then I simply think "**** you!" and want to spray them with the human equivalent of an insecticide. It's simply a natural defence mechanism and it is very difficult and maybe unreasonable to expect anyone to discard or dismiss it.

    I guess you were looking for muscovado rather than demerara? Would he still have pouted if you had said that was what you were looking for but as you has just said "brown sugar" that it was understandable. Why not just go back and get the right stuff instead of sulking about an issue being made of it? I would have just have said, "Do you want me to go back and get the alternative?". That way the impetus for the nature of the next response would have been yours. There can be a bit of a 'game' involved in our exchanges with others, it's knowing where the essential balance lies.

    Dec 21, 2012
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    • zsuzsilowinger

      Here, sugar is labled "dark brown", "light brown", and then the others. There is a slight difference between "dark brown" and "demerara". Not that it matters in the end for cooking.

      I hear your point, but let me tell you, I approached him in the nicest possible way, putting no pressure on him. I have learned not to over a decade. I am very assertive in other areas of my life, but with him I tread on eggshells. It was my point to go and get the other sugar myself. I asked him if he still had the receipt so I could exchange it, this brought on more pouting and frantic behaviour. Short of NOT BRINGING UP ANY ISSUES WHATSOEVER, he is unhappy.

      I don't give a flying fk about sugar or groceries. But can you imagine what happens when I actually NEED something from him????

      "I believe it is possible to have a dispute without there being a 'winner' and a 'loser'. " Sadly, my STBX does NOT believe this, no matter how I try to approach.

      "It sounds to me as if he has a really fragile ego and lacking in confidence. " This is 100% true, but I cannot live my life any longer bowing to his fragile ego, and denying all my own needs or wants.

      You've been around here long enough to write better stuff than this drivel, NAVBW. You've been around since I started here. Surely you've got a better idea of what my back story is than most. In general, your points are good. When you are dealing with a passive aggressive mentally and physically ill person, your points are complete sh*t.

      Dec 21, 2012
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  • xp42

    I have this HUGE block to doing the WRONG THING. HUGE.

    I have had the same issue for years. It can be paralyzing. Therapist said it was from my parents overreacting to small mishaps (spilling milk for instance) that all children have.

    At some point you just have to take the risk of doing something wrong so you can do something right. Or anything at all. Yep you have to accept the fact you may do it wrong yet still do it. Not easy. But you must. And if you do indeed do something wrong you have to accept yourself as an imperfect person. Self acceptance can be very difficult. Helps if you see yourself as a work in progress. And believe that mistakes can be over come.

    Dec 20, 2012
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    • zsuzsilowinger

      I've mostly conquered this in other areas of my life. My terror at doing the wrong thing on a relationship level is still huge. But tahnk you fro the great advice. I've definitely gotta get over this, one more, hurdle.

      Dec 21, 2012
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  • bazzar

    I am speculating here Ms Z. Take it or leave it.

    I think at some level, you are deathly afraid of the drones re-action when the blade eventually does drop. That he will fight you for the kids. That he will roadblock you if you try and move them out of the jurisdiction. That he will be try all sorts of skullduggery financially. That he will do his level best to besmirch your reputation. In short, that he will act like a total ****.

    And THAT, is why you are reticent to drop the hammer on him. You fear this benign, passive agressive, victim of circumstances, but essentially inert drone, will emerge in his true colours when this gets to the pointy end of proceedings.

    Tread your own path.

    Dec 20, 2012
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    • zsuzsilowinger

      "balk bak bok bok"

      flaps wings and chicken-walks around room to emphasize point

      Yes I am a huge chicken, you are right!!! I am. I am trying to fight this in myself. I am just so tired and just so scared.

      Dec 21, 2012
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  • smithy8015

    zsuzsi, i feel your pain at the thought of causing distress and/or pain to your STBX. unfortunately it HAS to happen. this is vital to your survival.

    focusing on one point in your post: you mentioned he might not "let" you "have" the kids. my immediate reaction to that was an incredulous WTF????

    honey, alls i can say is he's got plenty o problems and what your fear about this says to me is that you are still suffering from altered perception of reality due to the effed-up-ness of living in a SM. you need to reprogram yourself chop chop quick. the STBX has menta problems, is a hoarder, doesn't (?) have steady gainful employment, and regardless of how much he may love the children there is absolutely ZERO doubt in my mind: those children belong with you.

    you need to reach the same level of absolute certainty of your right and suitability for the role as custodial parent in your own mind. homework!!!!

    xoxo

    Dec 20, 2012
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    • zsuzsilowinger

      Thank you for that.

      I've spent so long covering up for him and living in his world. It's hard to know what reality is any longer.

      Plus my kids are very attached to him - well the older one is, the younger one seems a little confused by him, as he has not been well enough to really be there for her at all.

      Dec 20, 2012
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    • smithy8015

      yes, every step is painful. remember that his own mental illness and intimacy averse issues will make even the least painful steps that you take seem that much more painful.

      no soft soaping it, you've got a rough road ahead of you. but you ARE strong enough. and you're not just doing this for yourself; you're also doing it for your kids, and, to a lesser extent, for him.

      you and the children will be all ever so much better off. in so many ways.

      if he can bring himself to admit he needs help, seek that help, and actively participate, then he too will be better off. he might (if he's lucky) find someone who is better suited to his temperament & personality.

      but the most important thing to focus on here is moving past the painfulness of the steps. focus on the interim goals, and how to best shield and keep your children as level and content as possible.

      (((((((((((((((((zsuzsi))))))))))))))))))

      Dec 20, 2012
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  • theremustbeawayout

    All of his stuff is not his stuff. Each item is a part of his emotional baggage that he doesn't know how to deal with. It's as if he has exploded all over the basement and you have to pick him up, cell by cell, with a tweezers. He has metastasized.

    I went through a kind of similar situation. First, I had the moral support of a sibling, so it wasn't just me--it was "we" who took care of it. Second, we decided ahead of time that we could not be burdened with getting it right the first time. It was just too monumental. We could never get it right. What we could do was focus on an intermediate step that preserved as much of the physical stuff as possible: storage in a PODS. We strategized ahead of time, planned out every step, set up a maximum time frame that allowed us to get the task done but not any time to think about it after it was planned. We have not had the backlash yet--it's coming. When the time comes, we have the practical balance sheet that trumps the emotional balance sheet. It hurts; we go over it every so often, and as events have been playing out, come to the same conclusion. At the end of each of these re=accountings, we must conclude that it didn't have to be this way. But the other person's choices necessitated the choices we had to make.

    Dec 20, 2012
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  • elkclan

    I meant to comment on your previous story. I think there is an EP group for hoarders' spouses here. I think maybe you should join it. To expect him to be able to clean the basement up is expecting him to do something he simply isn't capable of. (Like my husband and sex!) At least not without years of therapy. You don't have years. He is NOT going to clean it up. He can't. He's sick. (Not his physical sickness, mentally). I know it's not fair that this is one more thing for you to deal with and it won't be easy because it will cause him mental distress and possibly physical pain (psychosomatic but still real) for someone to go and clean it out for him. Sorry.

    Dec 20, 2012
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    • zsuzsilowinger

      i agree he isn't capable of it. I've watched countless shows of Hoarders tv online... he is def one of those for whom it is emotional, not just "stuff".

      I've offered to clean, I've offered/asked/begged to have someone come in and clean, even this morning I said "STBX, could we have G___ come in a couple hours next week and help you out? She could even just do something really easy, like put those books in boxes, you don't even have to throw any out or think about that"... the response was "maybe I should buy more boxes".....sh*t.

      Short of FORCING the issue there's nothing to be done, and FORCING the issue is going to be so very, very painful.

      Dec 20, 2012
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    • redwaterlady

      Pain, sometimes inevitable. People grow when they feel pain. You aren't superwoman, Szus, you are a mere mortal. You CANNOT shield the ones you love or feel beholden to from real life. The more you protect h and kids from reality, the less opportunities they have to mature. As for the hoarding, your h has a mental problem, and cleaning out the basement will hurt him a lot, even make him get devastatingly sick. Is there a professional you could talk to to walk him through this? (like on the show?) NOT that I think this should stop your process, tough luck for him. He's had years of your compassion, even Jesus got pissed off and kicked *** once in a while, and I bet Mother Theresa did too! lol

      Dec 20, 2012
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    • elkclan

      You know what would be easier for everyone? GIve him a deadline and never mention it again. At the deadline say "Ok, that's it, it's going in storage...now" You have two hours to pack up your essentials. Everything else is going. But the constant reminders like he's some kind of rational person who just has a time management problem is just gonna make everyone unhappy. In the end you know you WILL have to force the issue and he knows it too.

      Dec 20, 2012
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    • elkclan

      or it could just provoke a massive meltdown....

      Dec 20, 2012
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    • zsuzsilowinger

      I don't know, I just don't f'ing know.

      My school semester starts again, life is so very f'ing busy, I just want this over with, blah. Just venting. I did post on the living with hoarders group - what a sad lot - tons of stories but not much in the way of answers, AFAI can see...

      Thanks again everyone for support around here. It's gonna be a brutal time either way.

      Dec 20, 2012
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  • tthetree

    Observing my own behaviours, feelings, thoughts, etc. - we're all Pavlov's dogs. It's almost impossible to break the patterns we've become trained into. It's one of the reasons I want less and less to do with my ex, I can spot the dance now, and it disturbs me (and p1sses me off...).

    Dec 20, 2012
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  • Chai07

    Zsu, just picking at one small aspect of this ...
    If he's well enough that he can buy stuff online, then he can SELL stuff online. Possibly at a profit. Now THAT would be something for him to look forward to.

    Dec 20, 2012
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    • zsuzsilowinger

      Yeah you'd think so... but he doesn't. I sell stuff online; he doesn't want the bother of meeting people and negotiating etc...

      Dec 20, 2012
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  • Awakeforthedance

    Oh, Girl... I get you!!! Thanks for sharing this story, though I truly wish you weren't living it. You have made me see how I need to just GO - I can't do what you are doing - the long-drawn out goodbye. I know you have kids -- that's adding extra to your plate. But you are upset about rocking HIS world. Maybe just start switching your focus. We need to be DETERMINED to live OUR LIVES. We need to be zeroed in on OUR GOALS. DREAMS. What we WANT in life. THAT has to become more important than "upsetting" anyone. I support you!!!

    Dec 20, 2012
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    • zsuzsilowinger

      I think now it's that rocking his boat DOES rock mine, in that it could cause some event that would be devestating to me... I think that's why we keep looking out for 'their worlds" really... if I rock his boat, how will I suffer when he reacts?

      Dec 20, 2012
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    • zsuzsilowinger

      Oh and yes you DO need to go AWAKE!!! What is holding you back??? (I imagine it's similar to me, LOL)

      Dec 20, 2012
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