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Astronomy And Islam

By: Bannedforyoursins
Written on December 27th, 2012
Age: 70+ , Male
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  • Bannedforyoursins

    pdqsailor1 chickened out. My response to him: Ask the starving children in Africa why they don't have any nobel prizes

    Jan 7
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    • pdqsailor1

      Yes starving children in Africa - how about we ask the well fed children in the Madrassa why they only learn from one book instead of all the others that have been written. Why do we not ask them if they will be scientists, astronomers, economists, Doctors, researchers, engineers, physicists - what will they do to better their lot and that of mankind?

      Jan 7
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    • pdqsailor1

      Oh and stop making excuses - learn something, do any thing - productive.

      Jan 7
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Please dude, you're insulting yourself. Had it not been for Islam you would be believing the Earth is flat. We helped you survive the dark ages.

      Jan 7
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    • pdqsailor1

      And what has Islam done for the world since the writing of the Quran? NOTHING. Churchill was correct - he is still totally correct.

      Jan 7
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Lol. you're quoting ignorant Western POLITICAL LEADERS. I quoted Nobel Prize winners and famous historians and authors.

      Jan 7
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  • ladyryan

    Wow! What an inspiring post. I like the props you used. Very practical,enlightening.

    Jan 6
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  • pdqsailor1

    All VERY VERY true - yes very well done and quite enlightening and very impressive and admirable. Yes the Quran was a miracle.....But how about we take a peak at what the contribution has been in the last oh say 100 years? Lets use a fair measurement of the betterment of mankind - the Nobel Prize to examine modern contributions ot mankind.

    Muslims have been awarded 10 Nobel prizes out of 850 awarded for various contributions to the betterment of mankind 10 / 850 or 1.2% - yet they are 20% of the worlds population. Hmmmmm not so good. But for a point of comparison lets look just a bit deeper......

    Jews number but 0.2% of the world population - there are only 14 million Jews total in the world - a tiny minority and they have been awarded - get this 180 Nobel prizes. That means that current contributions per capita of Jews are 18,000 times greater..... What - someone please chack the math....... Seems to me that in the Quran Jews are derided as being from Monkeys and Pigs. That is not very nice..... After all Jews count Abraham as their forefather too.

    Ladies and gentlemen it may be time to crack open a few more books than just the Quran as a means of enlightenment - the "People of THE book" are apparently people of a great many books - and they apparently read them too and apprarently they write them as well, and teach and write scientific papers and discover and create and better the lot of all mankind - way way above their numbers. Education and creativity and ingenuity are all valuable to the betterment of mankind.

    Sorry I truly hope no one is offended. I just wanted to inspire people towards the value of education and achievement.

    Jan 6
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      that same old nobel prize argument... Back when the Muslims were advanced there was no such thing as a nobel prize, btw, most nobel prizes are biased towards Muslims and not only that, the Jews are usually richer, so instead of comparing through religion, compare using race

      Jan 7
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    • pdqsailor1

      Old argument? Really - says who? it is an entirely valid argument. Please point to achievments say from tthe industrial age to today and demonstrate some tangible contribution to the betterment of mankind. No I don't think there is any case for ahievment. Wealth? Really? What even if this false accusation had any merit does wealth have to do with acheivement accross the areas of contribution? Wealth is a means of keeping score for economic performance - say Warren Buffet or Bill Gates or to get to your particular point Larry Ellison - all of whom changed the world and built their wealth from nothing. Race? No I don't think so religion is a valid argument - even Jews at a totlal of only 14 milion combined compared to oh I don't know - EVERYONE else at 180/850.... but in particular th emodern contributions of Muslims.

      I am not being negative - I sm suggesting it is appropriate to study one book at the expense of all others. It is time to pull at least a commesurat amount of weight with respect to contributions to the balance of mankind.

      Jan 7
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      I meant don't compare using race or religion, you have to look at wealth, and in countries where America didn't invade for oil

      Jan 7
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    • pdqsailor1

      Yawn - beyond lame and totally boring, not interested so our conversation is over

      Jan 7
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    • YBlah

      Of course wealth matters. It gets you an education. Which is a real good start when it comes to achievements. Wealth gets you those books to crack open which have been suggested

      Jan 7
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    • pdqsailor1

      BS - attitude - excuses and worse blaming others for your ineptitudes- the hunger to learn gets you an education. Reserch Bernard Smith

      Self taught - the son of a black smith. No money to finish high school - he had to work - educated himself in public libraries. He attended in the 1930's meetings of rocket scientists - the foremost minds of the day. He was accepted at a university based upon his self studies and interests - became a physicist - and a legitimate rocket scientist - he invented the Sidewinder missile. He had a love of sailing and penned a book called the 40 knot sailboat in 1963 - that design just set the world record for sailing speed over both 500 meters and the mile a few years after his death at age 99.

      Oh and he was a Jew.

      What a crock of crap - show me results and inovation and creativity and bettering the lot of mankind - show me results.

      My Father told me that creativity - inteligence you can not buy in a butcher shop.

      Jan 7
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    • YBlah

      What if you live in a place where you're not allowed to go to the local school, nor are you allowed to go to the library?

      Jan 7
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    • YBlah

      Will your attitude pull you thru?

      Jan 7
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    • YBlah

      Or what about if there just isn't a library? Should one build one?

      Jan 7
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    • pdqsailor1

      The greatest library the world has ever known is at your fingertips - right now. Use it with productivity to better your life and those of others.

      Jan 7
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    • YBlah

      At my fingertips yes, how many don't have it at their fingertips? What do they do? I'm not talking about me, I'm talikng about the link between wealth, achievement and education. There are people that will never be educated or achieve anything because of lack of money, it's got zilch to do with their attitude. Tell them to pull their finger out their ***, not me.

      Jan 7
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    • pdqsailor1

      There are people who have had less than dirt who have gone from the dung hill to sit with Princes. Like cream that rises to the top there is no way to let circumstances retard progress and invoation. Einstien was but an impoversed patent clerk - one of the greatest minds the world has ever seen. Larry Elison was an orphan - he built himself up from NOTHING to be one of the ten wealthiest men in the world. Stop making excuses- the internet and computers are all over the world of Islam, China, India, Africa - show me results. The playing field of knowledge has never been so level in the hstory of mankind.

      Jan 7
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    • YBlah

      Yeah right

      Jan 7
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      so the Africans starving should have Nobel prizes? Nice Jewish logic

      Jan 7
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    • pdqsailor1

      At least there is logic - look get back to the matter at hand. Precisely what contributions to the betterment of mankind do 1.4 BILLION islamists provide to the world?

      I am borred with your ego, your inflated self image and your total absence of substance ,performance or achievement. I have said what I came here to say - don't be so proud - you do not have anything to be so proud of and you have contributed NOTHING to the betterment of mankind - now back into your cave.

      Jan 7
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  • aycha

    excellent post! Thank you.

    Jan 6
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  • Anonymous1652

    This was a great story. The Quran is truly a miracle, and i'm so proud to be Muslim. Thank you for this story.
    Do you know how to read the Quran in arabic, or do you only read translations?

    Dec 31, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      I read a set of verses in Arabic, then I read various interpretations of the same verse from different scholars in English. This way I can figure out the double meanings of things.

      Dec 31, 2012
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    • Anonymous1652

      Good idea. We have a religion class in my school so we mainly learn the Quran in arabic. I prefer learning it in arabic because the translations don't really give the full meaning, but it's good that you read both.

      Dec 31, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Yes, in fact, Maurice Bacaille who converted to Islam, actually learned Arabic so he could read the Qur'an himself and confirm the meaning. He was the one who did the research on Firaun's body

      Dec 31, 2012
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  • thesphinxess

    Wow thanx for sharing!

    Dec 29, 2012
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    • MorningBreeze

      I'll second that Galacteal ...WOW!

      PervertedPope, Thank you for an interesting read!... interesting username to boot too.lol.. wow on that also! *smile*

      Dec 29, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Thanks guys :)

      Dec 29, 2012
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  • RocknRoll4life

    Enjoyed reading this, got me thinking... thanks for sharing :)

    Dec 28, 2012
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  • Allesandro

    Taken from my article earlier this year

    As an Atheist and Socialist who originates from an Orthodox Jewish background, I retain several troubling questions concerning the validity of Islam. As a former Jew - and to further compound my sin - an atheist (Zanadiqa) - I am by Islamic definition an apostate, and in line with Sharia Law, I should be hanged, or otherwise dispatched - quickly and without debate, and with no possible recourse to argument.

    Debate within Islam is proscribed, you either accept that the Qur'an is the literal, unimpeachable, immutable word of God as recited to Mohamed by the Angel Jabril (Gabriel) or suffer the consequences of misogynistic, malicious, bigoted (male) Islamic 'Scholars'. To suggest that Mohamed was a liar or at best an unpleasant fantasist lays me open to a predictable, vicious Islamic fatwa.

    The dilemma(s) encountered within Islam is that unlike Christianity (or Zionism) the ideology has not undergone or been examined in a period of Reason and Enlightenment, nor has the dogma experienced a Renaissance. To return to my second paragraph; I cannot even imply that the Qur'an is not the word of God, I either accept the initiative without discrimination or once again I suffer Islam’s bellicose consequences. Further, I am informed, Arabic, the language of the Qur'an, is the only world language that cannot be translated into English…

    In Islam there appears to be a tacit acceptance that every consequence is the will of Allah, inshallah; so do not even question the validity of Islamic ideology, because simply and crucially, dissent within Islam is unconditionally disallowed.

    The marriage of Mohamed (54) to Aisha (6) is problematic, yes, child brides were allowed, even encouraged in pre medieval and post medieval Christian society, however eventually the light shone incandescent and we discontinued this merciless, anachronistic practice. Similarly with slavery, we realised and acknowledged that slavery was fundamentally immoral, consequently we abolished this unjust, inhuman practice. However, we note Islam has yet to proscribe slavery. Indeed slavery still is practiced within contemporary Islam. It is promulgated within the Qur'an, therefore we cannot, must not dispute Allah's immutable word… And if slavery was encouraged by Mohamed, that most perfect of men, that paragon of virtue, (his words, not mine) then we must allow it.

    Mohamed was a slave trader, and remained a slave trader until his death, he even personally sexually abused and encouraged his followers to abuse their female slaves. Is this behaviour acceptable for the enlightened, 'perfect' man?

    The West has apologized for its involvement in the slave trade, however we have to ask from whom did the slave traders purchase their merciless merchandise? Sorry, but the answer to this question is Muslim slave dealers.

    We discourage dissembling, but Islam signally encourages the lie. Taqiyya (and Kitman) is a fundamental tenet of Islam, and Islamic protection money, Jizya is crucial to maintaining Islamic economic and spiritual supremacy. I am informed that my worth is less than a Muslim, yet even Christians and Jews embrace equality. How can I ever believe a word you utter when it could be a religiously sanctioned lie?

    Equality, is an unaccepted concept in Islam, a woman is deemed to be worth less than a man, the only argument seems to be the aggregate, is it by half or by the quarter? And the brutal practice of wife beating, is again Islamically condoned, and encouraged by scripture. Please, I am aware that the practice is promulgated in the Bible and Torah, but we have finally realised that violence against women (or for that matter, men) is wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Dec 28, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Taken from my article earlier this year

      As an Atheist and Socialist who originates from an Orthodox Jewish background, I retain several troubling questions concerning the validity of Islam. As a former Jew - and to further compound my sin - an atheist (Zanadiqa) - I am by Islamic definition an apostate, and in line with Sharia Law, I should be hanged, or otherwise dispatched - quickly and without debate, and with no possible recourse to argument.

      FALSE. "Let there be no compulsion in religion" Qur'an 2:256. I challenge you to find a verse in the Qur'an which orders death to apostates. Not the hadith about rebelling, as hadith is not taken into account for Shar'iah law. In fact, Islam is the ONLY ABRAHAMIC RELIGION to not have a death penalty for apostasy in its holy book.

      Debate within Islam is proscribed, you either accept that the Qur'an is the literal, unimpeachable, immutable word of God as recited to Mohamed by the Angel Jabril (Gabriel) or suffer the consequences of misogynistic, malicious, bigoted (male) Islamic 'Scholars'. To suggest that Mohamed was a liar or at best an unpleasant fantasist lays me open to a predictable, vicious Islamic fatwa.

      Invite people to Islam with beautiful preaching, wisdom and argue in ways that are best and friendliest. Qur'an 16:125

      The dilemma(s) encountered within Islam is that unlike Christianity (or Zionism) the ideology has not undergone or been examined in a period of Reason and Enlightenment, nor has the dogma experienced a Renaissance. To return to my second paragraph; I cannot even imply that the Qur'an is not the word of God, I either accept the initiative without discrimination or once again I suffer Islam’s bellicose consequences. Further, I am informed, Arabic, the language of the Qur'an, is the only world language that cannot be translated into English…

      The reason you cannot translate the Qur'an is because some words, like Dahaha, are lost to translation. Dahaha literally means an ostrich egg, but could also mean to stretch out. The Earth's crust was stretched, and the Earth is egg-shaped. Both properties are defined in one sentence that way.

      In Islam there appears to be a tacit acceptance that every consequence is the will of Allah, inshallah; so do not even question the validity of Islamic ideology, because simply and crucially, dissent within Islam is unconditionally disallowed.

      Think of life like a video tape, we are in it right now, and God has watched the entire tape from start to finish. You might want to look up Einstein's theory of relativity on Harun Yahya for more detail on this.

      The marriage of Mohamed (54) to Aisha (6) is problematic, yes, child brides were allowed, even encouraged in pre medieval and post medieval Christian society, however eventually the light shone incandescent and we discontinued this merciless, anachronistic practice. Similarly with slavery, we realised and acknowledged that slavery was fundamentally immoral, consequently we abolished this unjust, inhuman practice. However, we note Islam has yet to proscribe slavery. Indeed slavery still is practiced within contemporary Islam. It is promulgated within the Qur'an, therefore we cannot, must not dispute Allah's immutable word… And if slavery was encouraged by Mohamed, that most perfect of men, that paragon of virtue, (his words, not mine) then we must allow it.

      FALSE. Slaves were encouraged to be freed in the Qur'an. One notable example is Qur'an 90:11-17.

      Mohamed was a slave trader, and remained a slave trader until his death, he even personally sexually abused and encouraged his followers to abuse their female slaves. Is this behaviour acceptable for the enlightened, 'perfect' man?

      False again. You should find a reliable citation for this. Muhammad (pbuh) encouraged the buying of slaves for freeing them. He and his companions freed 40,000 slaves. Nadvi (2000), pg. 453

      The West has apologized for its involvement in the slave trade, however we have to ask from whom did the slave traders purchase their merciless merchandise? Sorry, but the answer to this question is Muslim slave dealers.

      The West MUST apologize. No other civilization treated slaves like animals. Did the Muslims ever have human zoos? "A slave is not greater than the master" (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:24)

      We discourage dissembling, but Islam signally encourages the lie. Taqiyya (and Kitman) is a fundamental tenet of Islam, and Islamic protection money, Jizya is crucial to maintaining Islamic economic and spiritual supremacy. I am informed that my worth is less than a Muslim, yet even Christians and Jews embrace equality. How can I ever believe a word you utter when it could be a religiously sanctioned lie?

      FALSE! What an absurd joke! Christianity and Judaism NOWHERE match Islam in human equality! bring me one Bible verse that orders its followers to free slaves UNCONDITIONALLY! I'll give you several in ISLAM: 90:11-17, 2:177.

      Equality, is an unaccepted concept in Islam, a woman is deemed to be worth less than a man, the only argument seems to be the aggregate, is it by half or by the quarter? And the brutal practice of wife beating, is again Islamically condoned, and encouraged by scripture. Please, I am aware that the practice is promulgated in the Bible and Torah, but we have finally realised that violence against women (or for that matter, men) is wrong, wrong, wrong.

      FALSE. The bible says: "The birth of a daughter is a loss" (Ecclesiasticus 22:3).

      The QURAN:

      "...I will not suffer the work of any worker from among you to be lost whether male or female, the one of you being from the other." Surah Al-Imran:195

      "O you who believe, it is not lawful for you to take women as heritage against their will. Nor should you straiten them…." Surah Al-Nisa:19

      “…the world lies at the feet of mothers.” Prophet Muhammad(saas)

      “O’ ye men. Fear Allah and treat your women with kindness.” Prophet Muhammad(saas)

      "…marry such women as seem good to you, two, or three, or four; but if you fear that you will not do justice, then marry only one…" Surah Al-Nisa:3

      "And for the divorced women, provision must be made in kindness. This is incumbent on those who have regard for duty." Surah Al-Baqarah: 241

      WOMEN RIGHTS ARE A JOKE IN THE BIBLE! I'll give you only a few examples, they should be enough to make you figure!

      The Greek philosopher Aristotle, whose influence on western culture is still adhered to up to the present day, once stated;

      “Women are not to be considered full humans”.

      This opinion of women, as stated by Aristotle, is also the opinion of Christianity and the western mentality. Up until the 1800’s, in the Christian church, women were considered to be without souls and had no rights of inheritance. They were given no respect as is proven in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 of the New Testament of the Bible;

      “….for it is a shame for women to speak in church…”

      In the Qur'an, both Adam and Eve were responsible for the sin. In the bible, childbirth is a punishment and Eve was responsible for the "sin"

      hristianity blames women for the so-called “Fall of Man”, for the so-called “Original Sin”. Christianity believes that it is the woman’s fault as to why she gives birth in great pain. This has been the teaching of the Christian Church, regardless of denomination, for over 2000 years and many fundamentalist Christians still adhere to this belief to this very day. This is not the teaching or belief of Islam.e.

      There is an Orthodox Jewish Prayer which every Jewish male recites that goes as such;


      “Blessed be God, King of the Universe that Thou has not made me a woman.”

      THERE ARE DOZENS, MILLIONS, of examples. You are lucky I'm giving you a free pass to take your words back.

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Oh and I forgot the main thing

      Believers do not mix their oaths with falsehood. 6:82
      Provide proof and Truth to what you claim. Produce your proof if you are Truthful. 2:111, 21:24, 27:64, 28:75
      Be an honest (truthful) witness in everything you do and see, and be True to Allah Almighty 5:8, 9:119

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • NoobyDonkey

      Taqiyya and Kitman are solely for protecting one' self from loss of life or property. The west's apology is useless. It still uses sweatshops for its clothes and other products. Like pervertedpope said. Islam encouraged buying of slaves so that you could release them. Slaves are only to be taken from POW. If the slave asked to be paid so that he could buy his own freedom. When a slave's master dies the slave automatically becomes free. Tell me. Did the great West ever have an empire which was built by people who were slaves or have high ranking people in their governments? No. The muslims did. It was called the Mameluke empire. Dont believe what Robert Spencer, Pamella Geller and other 'scholars' on islam say. You will only land yourself knee deep in *koff koff*

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • NoobyDonkey

      Oh yeah, Dunno if PP addressed this but apostates are to be killed only if they also commit treason or leave the community. Thats why the Prophet PBUH killed some apostates and didnt kill others.

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Actually, we CAN believe what scholars and cool people say about Islam. Here are a few notable examples:

      "If a man like Muhammed were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness." George Bernard Shaw

      "My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level." --Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33.

      "I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Quran which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness." [Napoleon Bonaparte as Quoted in Christian Cherfils, 'Bonaparte et Islam,' Pedone Ed., Paris, France, 1914, pp. 105, 125]

      "How, for instance, can any other appeal stand against that of the Moslem who, in approaching the pagan, says to him, however obscure or degraded he may be 'Embrace the faith, and you are at once equal and a brother.' Islam knows no color line." (S. S. Leeder, VEILED MYSTERIES OF EGYPT)


      "It (Islam) replaced monkishness by manliness. It gives hope to the slave, brotherhood to mankind, and recognition of the fundamental facts of human nature." --Canon Taylor, Paper read before the Church Congress at Walverhamton, Oct. 7, 1887; Quoted by Arnoud in THE PREACHING OF ISLAM, pp. 71-72.

      "No other society has such a record of success in uniting in an equality of status, of opportunity and endeavour so many and so varied races of mankind. The great Muslim communities of Africa, India and Indonesia, perhaps also the small community in Japan, show that Islam has still the ower to reconcile apparently irreconcilable elements of race and tradition. If ever the opposition of the great societies of the East and west is to be replaced by cooperation, the mediation of Islam is an indispensable condition." (H.A.R. Gibb, WHITHER ISLAM, p. 379)

      "I have studied him - the wonderful man - and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the saviour of humanity. " George Bernard Shaw in "The Genuine Islam"

      "Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all men exercised the greatest influence upon the human race . . . Mohammed . . . " John William Draper, M.D., L.L.D., A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London 1875, Vol.1, pp.329-330

      "People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammed, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same." Professor Jules Masserman

      "The extinction of race consciousness as between Muslims is one of the outstanding achievements of Islam, and in the contemporary world there is, as it happens, a crying need for the propagation of this Islamic virtue." --A.J. Toynbee, CIVILIZATION ON TRIAL, New York, 1948, p. 205.

      "The closer we examine this development the more extraordinary does it appear. The other great religions won their way slowly, by painful struggle and finally triumphed with the aid of powerful monarchs converted to the new faith. Christianity had its Constantine, Buddhism its Asoka, and Zoroastrianism its Cyrus, each lending to his chosen cult the mighty force of secular authority. Not so Islam. Arising in a desert land sparsely inhabited by a nomad race previously undistinguished in human annals, Islam sallied forth on its great adventure with the slenderest human backing and against the heaviest material odds. Yet Islam triumphed with seemingly miraculous ease, and a couple of generations saw the Fiery Crescent borne victorious from the Pyrenees to the Himalayas and from the desert of Central Asia to the deserts of Central Africa." --A.M.L. Stoddard, quoted in ISLAM - THE RELIGION OF ALL PROPHETS, Begum Bawani Waqf, Karachi, Pakistan, p. 56.

      "The doctrine of brotherhood of Islam extends to all human beings, no matter what color, race or creed. Islam is the only religion which has been able to realize this doctrine in practice. Muslims wherever on the world they are will recognize each other as brothers." Mr. R. L. Mellema, Holland, Anthropologist, Writer and Scholar.

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      ...and many more omitted for simplicity

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • Allesandro

      Continue to listen to your Voices... They may one day tell you how to fly an aeroplane into a building, honour killings, suicide bombers, murdering homosexuals... I could go on, but I have a life to live

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Ad Hominem is a logical fallacy. When one resorts to logical fallacies, it just means the other party has won.

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Oh btw, since your Jewish, I take it that your father sliced the sh!t out of your foreskin as the 10,000 foreskins that the King commanded wanted you to?

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • Rivfader

      Nice one, lol!

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      1SA 18:27 I demand 200 foreskins to make a sweater

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • NoobyDonkey

      Thats right dumb moron. Scuttle away. I bet your mummy's so proud. I mean 'Continue to listen to your Voices... They may one day tell you how to fly an aeroplane into a building, honour killings, suicide bombers, murdering homosexuals... I could go on, but I have a life to live'...seriously? That is the lamest comeback i have ever read in my life.

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • thequeenofeverything

      allesandro is clearly not intelligent enough to argue using facts so he's using his childish insults. how sad. how very, very sad.

      Dec 28, 2012
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    • NoobyDonkey

      Indeed. A standard last resort.

      Dec 29, 2012
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  • nadeemahmed263

    my dear i created a group the name is "why Islam is a good religion?"i wanna make a request to you,kindly read the story "why pork is forbidden in Islam?".

    regards

    Nadeem

    Dec 27, 2012
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  • nadeemahmed263

    good, i am a muslim so whatever Quran says i believe and i keep reciting it as well.

    Dec 27, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Yes well the Qur'an has quite a lot to say in just one verse so as you read make sure you get a Qur'an that has a side-by-side English interpretation so you can thoroughly think through each verse. This really helps you find the stuff in it.

      Dec 27, 2012
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    • nadeemahmed263

      i do the same read Arabic and then translation.

      Dec 27, 2012
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  • YBlah

    Don't be silly. It's not that he universe will one day expand so much that it will collapse into a black hole. It's that one day the initial energy of the big bang will be depleted, and gravity will suck us back into where we came out of. Over...and over

    Dec 27, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Yes it will be too weak to support the gravity, thus forming a black hole.

      Dec 27, 2012
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    • YBlah

      All the matter will begin to fall back towards a centre point, untill the mass becomes so extremely compressed that another big bang happens, and then it all starts agian. See you in a few billion years right here on EP mate

      Dec 27, 2012
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  • nadeemahmed263

    nice one i really appreciate it.

    Dec 27, 2012
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  • thequeenofeverything

    BEST. POST. ON. EP.

    Dec 27, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      thanks :)

      Dec 27, 2012
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    • thequeenofeverything

      no, really, I love how in-depth it is :D

      Dec 27, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Did you read all of it? So fast O.o

      Dec 27, 2012
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    • thequeenofeverything

      shaddap, M, how dare you question my ability to read XD

      Dec 27, 2012
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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Shh, don't you know, if you mention "M", then the illuminati can read my mind, lest I use the tinfoil hat!

      jkjk

      no offense :P

      Dec 27, 2012
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  • Rivfader

    Who is the "We" that it keeps referring to? I thought that it was supposed to be only Allah.

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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Good question. It is a severe blasphemy to refer to Allah as "he" or "she"

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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Although in Christianity God is referred to as 'he'

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    • Rivfader

      So he's referred to as a plural? Why not call him "it?" And why is it considered blasphemous to say "he?"

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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Because God has no gender. He's not a bearded man like Christians portray him.

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    • Rivfader

      Sorry, I didn't mean to insult your God, btw. I just noticed I said "he." I dunno if that's as bad coming from an unbeliever, but I didn't mean to offend, or anything.

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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Lol I'm not offended, it's ok. But see, if God was a "he", that would mean he's from the Earth. Allah is like a deistic God, only that he sends prophets and holy books.

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    • Rivfader

      I think that's cool. I believe in male and female Gods, so that isn't really a problem for me, lol! A lot of people (besides Christians, of course,) have their God either genderless, or have a female aspect to him. (Like the Jews.)

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    • Bannedforyoursins

      The thing is, Allah is not a deity you can portray. He's the supreme order of the universe. He has no partners or sons (including Jesus).

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    • Rivfader

      Lol! Makes sense, from a monotheistic point of view. That's something that I never got with Christianity. He created all of existence itself, reality, and everything, and yet he's a "he?" Does he have a ****, and balls? Did he screw Mary while in ghost form? Or did he just teleport his "godly man-juice" into her? It's just full of holes, lol!

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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Jesus and Adam were created in the same way according to the Qur'an.
      Jesus wasn't crucified.
      Jesus didn't die for our sins, humans are accountable for only their own sins, and no one is born a sinner. In fact, it's the opposite. We're masum (never committed a sin) until we grow up and stuff.

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    • Rivfader

      That makes sense. The Christians believe that kids are innocent, but they also believe everyone is born a sinner, so yet another conflict, in their belief system, lol!

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    • Bannedforyoursins

      Kids are so innocent, even the perverted pope acknowledges ;)

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    • AymanEagle

      because it's translated from arabic and in arabic (you can speak with we instead if I in case of greatness ) , so god speaks about him self but he used we for greatness ,also in the old time kings used to say we

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