Never Again

Why are they reporting finding Arthurs round table when the discovery is nothing but wild assumptions based on the flimsiest of evidence? Are these historians insane, or is there a movement to change history to cause us to believe the despicably evil Roman empire was somehow noble? Just askin.     
 If you want to defend genocide, don't waste your time even talking to me.
revlevitate revlevitate
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5 Responses Jul 16, 2010

Thanks to your beautiful writing 8FOOT, I finally get it. For the first time in my life, I DO see, good and evil don’t HAVE to be dualistic. Like many of your aforementioned field slaves, or the biblical Job knew, a belief of goodness and light in the face of ultimate evil and degradation exists because of the reality that since love strengthens and hate weakens, it is love that is at the center of the universe, and ultimately will prevail. It is that simple. Goodness and love are a reality, and are their own reward, existing linguistically as both a noun and a verb, while hate, evil, and greed are subjective mindless illusions. Ultimately, at the end of a lifetime, they net nothing. A peaceful heart and a love filled soul, conversely, will be at one with the heart of the universe, and merge with the eternal everything. <br />
Or if that spiritual mathematics is too heady, there is always this more scientific observation. A group of anthropologists were doing an experiment on an island, I forget exactly where, and they were trying to teach a group of monkeys to open coconuts using rocks, which would have given a whole new rich source of nutrition previously unknown to them. The first monkey took weeks to train, but eventually learned. The second and third took less time, and after a while they were training several each day, and at an increasing rate. By the time they got to the hundredth one, he had already figured it out by himself. Then, to celebrate their success, the anthropologists sailed to a nearby island for a picnic. To their amazement, the monkeys on that island were eating coconuts and opening them up with rocks, they weren’t trained to do this, didn’t do this before, and could not have observed the training going on at the other island, as it was too far to see. The knowledge just seemed to spread, after a certain number of the species learned it, it became instinctual knowledge for the rest of the species. They call this the “hundredth monkey theory” and is a documented scientific fact.<br />
Now, assuming humans are as tuned in to their nature as these monkeys, if we have a certain amount of enlightened people to learn to be more evolved than our predecessors, spiritual awakening should one day be instinctual knowledge world wide. No? I see evidence of this occurring, but the elite status quo masters could just make it illegal for slaves to have spiritual rocks, as I said earlier, cynicism comes naturally to me.

Deeply appreciative of your kind support revlevitate<br />
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I edited my first response to add a couple of thoughts and make a few awkwards sentences flow better...<br />
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Indeed - no doubt whatsoever - there is a global realisation of collective need for unification of effort and support in the global evolution and elevation of human consciousness<br />
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Love is indeed the seed, your enlightenment and evolving conscious awareness is this germination and while you and I shall shuffle off this mortal coil all too soon our personal journey to raising our own personal energies t'ward that moment of death is indeed only the moment of our blossoming - for after the blossom comes the senescence and the downward curve into the source from whence we all originate...such is life and death - but I am not telling you anything new here...<br />
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all I am saying brother - is that if you and I were merely two flowers in the garden of humanity let us be two flowers who dance in the sun light, rain and earthy fertility of the grand mother of us all...<br />
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Joseph Campbell famously wrote "The Hero of a Thousand Faces"...in this seminal epic literary tour de force he outlines the archetypes of the Hero stories all cultures bar none express in their origin mythologies even down to the archetype of the blossom as itself being an archetypical template for heroism...<br />
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You mentioned the mythology of King Arthur - yet another archetypical hero mythology<br />
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I am aware of my own native cultures plethora of hero mythologies<br />
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One of particular interest comes to mind in our mythologies who talks of one specific deity who was indeed the father of all humanity and to whom it was charged to ascend the 12 heavens and succeed several challenging tests to determine his worthiness to enter the holiest of holies in the 12th heaven and win an audience with the creator himself who as reward gifted the hero 3 sacred baskets of knowledge for all humanity so that we could all know how to live right here on this earthly plain...<br />
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So whether you be Ramses the great, Cleopatra, King Arthur, Joan of Arc, Jesus, Mother Teresa, Buddha, Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks or the humble Bumble bee pollinating the dancing daffodil each is itself an example for our own journey in this life to elevate and evolve our own energetic resonance in this our historical moment in time...<br />
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love, light and levity<br />
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always<br />
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with humility<br />
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8FOOTDREAD

VERY well stated, and may I say what a sublime honor it is to be allowed exposure to your wisdom. Of course, I agree with every word, but in a thousand lifetimes could not have said them so eloquently myself.<br />
I see the possibility of the enlightened society you speak of, but with that change will come a lot of circumstances that will not be pretty to watch. Fortunately for me, I plan to be dead when that takes place. But there seems to me to be a kind of human spirituality that is spreading around the world that will not be as easily extinguished as the need for the kind of materialistic greed that requires enslavement and brutality will. What I am trying to say is that I believe love to be more powerful than greed. If I am naïve about that, it is because I choose to be, as cynicism often comes naturally to me. <br />
“Out of destruction comes creation” , a truth I understand scientifically, philosophically, and, if you will, theologically, but now is the first time I have ever thought of it in terms of human societal evolution, and of course it makes sense, and I believe that seed is germinating.<br />
Thank you so much for expanding my mind on this subject, I was a little bit hung up on it, but no longer. You have given me much to think about, and I am most grateful.

Aaahh story telling - my favourite past time.<br />
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Once upon a time there was a seed...<br />
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First let me say - that history professor and his/her definitions of good and evil are as useful to the world as square circles...nuff said about that...<br />
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Next - even the duality of good and evil and its use by historians to interpret history by that polarity has much to answer for historically as much harm has come of this abuse in our human history - many eloquently functioning cultures existed beautifully for millenia without the need for the duality of good and/or evil...<br />
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thirdly - the relativity of interpreting history...this is an activity fraught with subjective inaccuracies, hyperbole and fiction...and thats just from academic experts...<br />
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Not being an academic historian expert myself but one who is fascinated with the human activity of story telling I only have this to offer...<br />
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the human history of so called enlightened civilization expanding (now labelled and studied as modern globalisation) is one fraught with the hyperbole and propaganda of the victors media machine over the voices of the colonised, assimilated, enslaved, prostituted and/or inveigled...<br />
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So what we can say is any historical account purporting to outline the facts of any historical event is subject to relativity...<br />
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maybe this can help me get that point across...and we need not go all the way back to Rome as modern societies can serve just as well for this comment...<br />
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Now a historian studying America has their own personal world views, politics and idealogical values to contend with in attempting such a study - <br />
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so relatively speaking you can approach the telling of America's story from the perspective of either persuading the world that it is the greatest country in the 20th and 21st century and spend your resources doing FOX TV the favour of outlining the old chest nut that America is the land of opportunity and then list every great thing America has ever achieved...<br />
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but to tell a GOOD story like that and to neglect to focus on the EVILS of colonisation of indigenous peoples, slavery and discrimination is to produce a fiction and sell it as a Doctor Feel Good Cure All Elixir - you know the kind that hits your sweet tooth first but soon leaves a sickening vomitous after flavour in your mouth as the sugary mask evaporates leaving you to digest the cemetery of dead rotting half truths - <br />
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not withstanding the entire evil colonisation of indigenous first nations peoples done in the name of God and country - lets look at the advent of slavery in America to make a point about the relativity of history...<br />
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Malcolm X talked eloquently about two kinds of slaves...the house slave and the field slave. The house slave is subject to the benefits of being close to the master - they are provided clothing similar to masters clothing, eat the same food as master and sleep in masters house albeit the cellar. The hegemony of their position is reflected by their belief that when master is sick they ask their master "Are we sick master?"...for them life is a joy of proximity and service employment by their master...<br />
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The field slave however is a tortured creature ravaged of identity, raped of self respect, and beaten to an inch of their existence by the brutality of their service to the master...for them life is a hell made manifest on earth...<br />
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now if you ask either of these slaves whether the civilised world of the master is good or evil - the house slave will argue the position of good while the field slave will sing the blues for the evilty done upon them...<br />
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while each argument is a result of their proximity and relative employment position both can not deny their position as slave property of a human being who has believed themselves to be Master ...<br />
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So I can look upon all that Rome (and by association the USA or indeed any world economic power like China, or Russia for that matter) and marvel at the achievement of technological development they brought the world - but I am astute enough to know when mine eyes see the materials of those cultures they are seen for what they really are - products of the slave/master relationship -<br />
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one our world today has to respect for todays world couldn't possibly be todays world without that slave/master history throughout humanity...<br />
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yet what is there to celebrate about todays materialism which has its deep roots in human history long before the Romans?<br />
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Ultimately that slave/master idealogy has caused our world to reach the unsustainable environmental degradation where the world itself has become enslaved by the greed fueled masters of economy...<br />
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here then arises a question which many cultures posed the world long before even Rome spread like a virus - can humanity evolve beyond the philosophical cultural slave/master relationship?<br />
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I propose that until we attend seriously to this question sadly I will have to think that perhaps we will repeat this mistake again...<br />
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And yet throughout history and herstory there have been many individuals and model communities and cultures who have been attending to this very question for millenia and who might indeed hold keys to resolving this current unsustainable mythology that the slave/master archetype has had its time and will eventually evolve to a new relationship sown in the seeds of a human mastery which is spiritual in value and unifying in effect - then we will truly see the marvels of our human potential for creativity, imagination and innovation which does not require the indentured slavery of another being...<br />
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this is why ultimately all Rome's have fallen<br />
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It is why the USA is on the downward curve of its reign and why globally the world is shifting philosophically, spiritually and culturally...<br />
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recently I have come to discover that an alternative view of the egyptian culture has arisen - one that says perhaps the pyramids were actually an energetic attempt by the wisdom keepers of that ancient culture to stave off what they knew was going to be a millenia of darkness for humanity - and that the great pyramids were themselves energy resonators to help the conscious increase of spiritual shift in humanity or at least to stave off the downward curve into darkness they saw coming - one can only consider this alternative reading of this ancient culture with deep interest and consideration...<br />
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no doubt the mayan interest in the 26,000 year cycle calender shows that on teh 21st of December 2012 cosmic forces will align that also will boost our spiritual connection with the universe and help us rasie our own consciousnesses to align with this shift and so bring about the beginning journey upon an upward curve t'ward a far more enlightened relationship with ourselves, the earth and the cosmic energies we are at once made of and influenced by...<br />
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indeed perhaps like the ancient egyptians we are to sow our own personal seeds toward shifting our energies from one of addiction to the slave/master relationship and evolving to a higher relativity to our existence...<br />
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as the first cynic myself...I can only hold hope in the presence of such an alternative interpretation of ancient histories...<br />
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no doubt Rome was only the rapid decline of humanity into slavery which became the socio-cultural economic model of globalisation to hold the world at ransom for at least some 2000 years and longer...<br />
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perhaps the example of Jesus Christ however you interpret his story is one of a model of raised love conciousness we should take more seriously outside of the rhetoric of political power abuse religion helped serve to the world during our dark ages - ie the inquisition etc...<br />
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indeed Jesus own story was modeled after ancient egypt archetypes - anyway I merely speculate here<br />
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I will close here with this...<br />
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the seed's doom is inevitable once it has been sown...but that doom must be set in motion for the opportunity of the blossom to manifest as the gift of beauty for the world - if only for a moment...<br />
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is it not interesting that each stage of the flower from seed to blossom is itself a model of arising evolving consciousness...<br />
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Is this why Buddha is so associated with the blossom? I cannot say...<br />
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so you see even the perception of DOOM is relative! Not even doom is final...<br />
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This is my story I have to tell at this time...

I read an article recently by a history professor defining good as something that strengthens a community and evil as something that weakens it, therefore it was evil that the Roman Empire didn’t commit genocide on the Goths who caused Rome to fall. <br />
First, the only reason they didn’t do that was because they needed conscripts for the army, which was committing genocide in Europe at the time, so they offered to allow them to live if they sacrificed their sons to join the army. The Goths had already been driven off their land and were being starved, so many did that. Keep in mind the army had a front line of conscripts like these men, and a line behind them with spears to kill any man who wanted to turn and run, so it was fight or die. In return for this sacrifice, stray dogs were rounded up around Rome and fed to the Goths. But after you have sacrificed your children and eaten your dog, you are still starving, what do you do? The destruction of Rome was good, the existence of Rome was evil.<br />
Only a few rich elite Romans benefitted from the existence of the empire, the rest of the world viewed it as the ultimate evil. If we fail to understand this history, we ARE doomed to repeat it.