Faults, Forgivness

Nothing anyone ever does is really their fault.. ...ones actions are only determined by the genes they recieved by their parents, and their life experiences up to that point in time. Not to condone criminals and such, but, did they really have a choice? what do you think?
This originated as a question so forgive me if this doesnt flow well, these are my response to others answers.


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Posted by HappyRage Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:32PM

The ultimate excuse - wow.

I'll tell you like a wise man once told me:

Excuses are words trying to justify failure.

Are you ok with failure as long as you've got an excuse?

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Reply by the author slammmin Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:32PM

I know how it sounds lol but think about it really think hard about it, im not using it as an excuse for myself, but rather as a way to deal with the problems in our world.. If we raised children better, and improve on our society in other ways, then there would be much less crime and evil to deal with because ppl r only really products of their environments, other than genes, what other variable is there?

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Posted by specialheart Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:33PM

But......if these people have no choice...then what environmental force is pulling them up and out of bed each day?

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Reply by the author slammmin Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:33PM

they make decisions on there own, but the logic and reasoning used to make them were developed but events out of their control

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Posted by metal420stoner Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:30PM

THERE IS ALWAYS A CHOICE. one is not condemned to any particular fate simply because of who born them and the experiences that they have. in every moment there is choice. i personally am living proof of this. my younger years consisted of much fear, regret, hate, and victumization of self. from both parents and experience. and from that i have CHOSEN to be differant, CHOSEN another way. in blaming parents, and experience, you might as well keep going and blame there parents for baring them, and there experiences, on and on and on. if one does not take responsability for ones creations they will blame everything else. this is something that all must get past. playing victum is hindering to ones growth in all aspects. once one truly understands and accepts responsability for there creations, and actions. one can no longer play victum.

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Reply by the author slammmin Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:30PM

you may have misunderstood me, but you prove my point in a way... You did make the choice. But why did you make the choice? you are born as a blank slate, and the things you experience and see (these things are out of your control) form your view of reality, right and wrong, you use these to make your decisions. so indirectly, your experiences and genes lead you to make that decision.. And i agree ppl shud take responsibilty for what they do, but this way of thinking allows for ppl to b more forgiving, understanding, and nuturing rather than angry and sadistic

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Posted by kikis2 Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:28PM

I think that's pretty true, to a certain extent anyway. I mean almost every modern day criminological theory is based on the premise that socio-economic conditions are a factor. I think there was a study a while back that looked at genes and crime. It found, if you had one parent that was a criminal, even if you weren't raised by them, it increased the likelihood that you would have a criminal record.

I'm not big on the whole genes and nature as deciding your inclination towards crime. But I think theories like general strain or even the tired but true anomie are very convincing.

I mean it's just kind of obvious, if you were abused, how much more likely is it that you will become an abuser? The numbers don't lie, and at a certain point, correlation starts pointing towards causation. (I'm not saying this is deterministic! So don't say that I did.)

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Reply by the author slammmin Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:28PM

yes genes probably only play a small part.. like im pretty sure there is not theif or rapist gene, but some genes that affect your personality or brain chemistry will affect your guilt and greed, but i do think ones envirnment plays a large parrt tho

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Posted by BeezleBob Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:14PM

...I'm at a loss for words...

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Reply by the author slammmin Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:14PM

again look at my reply to the other answer... do i think criminals should be forgivin on these grounds? no. But thinking of it this way offers ideas to improve our society, look at the big picture, dont throw criminals into jail to punish them, but to rehabilitate them.. this way of thinking promotes improving our world instead of sadistically punishing wrong doers
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2 Responses Aug 12, 2010

Yikes! Everyone has a choice. I am a step parent and the parent of two adopted children with attachment issues. Genetics definetly plays a role as well as life experiences,but God gave us the power of choice. As an adult our brain is doing forming and we have the ability to reason. Most criminals know they are doing wrong, but choose an easy way out. We are always accountable for our actions. My kids have issues, but right now they have the power to change their lives or stay hidden in the past. In the end they will have to make the choice. It is all a stickly situation, but at some point we all make little or big decisions that changes our lives in ways we will never know.

Ive just thought about this to myself, just casual thinking... , leave ur thoughts