Is It a Marriage?
Posted October 26th, 2008 at 11:55PM
I am wondering how I got to this point in my life. My husband and I have not had sex for 15 years. I have been having affairs for three. I don't tell anyone about my private life. I have been lucky, I have found men I can trust who are in similiar situations. I am finally at times happy and centered. However, in the back of my mind I know I deserve more. I love the closness of a warm male next to me, the deep kisses, being held and cuddled. I read the repair you marriage books, shared all the information with my husband but nothing changes. I have changed. Since figuring out I am desirable, I feel younger. am more relaxed and my husband and I no longer fight. So I guess that is a good thing. Is it worth staying in my marriage to keep up the facade or should I leave? OR is it even a marriage?
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Only you can answer that question. Affairs may help in the moment but ultimately leave you feeling more empty. We all deserve to be truly loved. It isn't your fault that your husband decided not to honor the vows he made to you. You will figure out the right thing to do for you.
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I personally think infidelity happens when you dont love or desire your mate...In your case he does not desire you. So you have the right to look for who desires you...If you are at peace with your marriage by lieing to your spouse, than only you know if you can live with that in your conscous....But when he does find out be prepared for war.....Good luck...
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I can tell you from someone who escaped an unhappy marriage: it's liberating. We actually get along better now that we've split. You deserve to be treated well, and if he's not treating you well, you deserve to know why. What's keeping you together? Do you still love him?
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Honestly by some standards I am treated well. He's always been a gift giver, I guess that is how he shows affection. But there is no intimacy. He has health issues and is on my insurance so I stay. I am not unhappy and in some ways I do love him, we've been through a lot together. It has been so long since we have has sex, desire is not even something we talk about. I tried a last ditch effort a couple of years ago, I dragged him to a counselor. After 5 months of that, I saw it going nowhere, he was so stoic. So I started screaming at him. I told him he had 6 months to get his health issues under control so we could have a real marriage. He screamed back a few times but then shut down. The 6 months passed.... That was the day I decided to meet someone and take care of my needs, after 12 years. I told him I had no choice, I was considering an affair. So I did. I am more content now than I was crying every weekend over the loss intimacy in my marriage. Am I lying? I just have not told him the details. Do I still love him? Of course. And I beleive he loves me, I think his loss of not being able to perform is something he cannot get over. I can't solve that for him. I used to think it was selfishness on his part. Since he shuts down when we talk about it, what am I supposed to do, leave him without health care, without money...
I wouldn't do that to a friend. -
Well, since he shuts down when you try to talk about it, obviously he's not ready to talk about it. Maybe he might be more willing to see a therapist on his own to get his problems out in the open.
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It's easy for people to say, just get a divorce. After that long in a marriage there are so many roots and branches to the relationship that the idea of ending it would be far more destructive than an affair. You obviously care a lot about your husband's well-being, otherwise you wouldn't have such compassion about the health insurance, etc.
It's natural to want to satisfy your needs and desires on every level, and where there's a deficit (sex in this case) it needs to be addressed (or would that be undressed?)
If you're hungry, you eat; but if you can't find food, pretty soon it becomes the only thing you think about.
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I like the food analogy... -
In my honest opinion you need to really talk to your husband with a lengthy conversation that may cause an ugly argument, but at the same time one that should have been talked out years ago. I think we all deserve a healthy marriage, but not one that only provides financial support or lack of arguing. You are obviously searching for a missing piece with these other men, as they are also missing something in their marriages as well. I know that talking to your husband and telling him that his actions or lack of emotion, cuddling, sensitivity etc is ruining your marriage will not be easy, but you need to look at the large picture and what will bring both of you the greatest happiness. You may find that being seperated at first will answer a lot of questions for both of you, it may empower you to divorce for your own sanity and complete happiness, but it may also open up his own heart and see what emptiness he is placing our your marriage.
Good luck to you, but do find happiness, complete whole hearted happiness where you are fulfilled. God loves you, and wants all his children to be happy. -
Honestly, Tspunky, there have been lots of ugly, lengthy arguments and conversations. At some point, it is better to just stop trying to work it out and move toward just filling the need for the time being. I think about divorce and frankly at this point my husband cannot live without me. There are several things that keep me happy and it's not just sex. My job is great, we have many mutual as well as separate friends, and we still do a lot of things together. In some ways, I have a decent marriage. I don't think he wants or needs to hear about just my unhappiness so until then I will just keep myself and him as content as possible. Who knows maybe the future will be different but right now, this works. Passion in the bedroom is only one aspect of my life, I have many and today I am blessed and content and HAPPY! Are you married, BTW? Just curious.
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I certainly can identify with the missing intimacy in the relationship. In my case, it's the wife...I can't say I've had to deal with years of it (well, we did take off two years around the time our third child was born). We still get "together" now but even though she seems to enjoy it DURING the act, I'm the only one that seems to have a "memory" of the enjoyment. I almost feel like it's a chore to her and that she does it for me which of course makes me feel horrible. She doesn't exhibit any "desire" for me and most of the time, she acts like anything to do with intimacy sickens her.
I have had daydreams about affairs but my senses kick in and I think about all of the things it would affect, especially my three kids and although I miss a lot about my wife, I know this would have a permanent destructive affect on our marriage. I guess I hold onto the hope and faith that it will get better at some point so I've never pursued an affair. I've got some self esteem issues, mainly because I've always felt like I wasn't desired in my relationships. I too have done the counseling thing.. the jury's still out on that success or failure.
The big question for me is how do you feel better about feeling "desired" when it's the actions from other people happening (or not) that make you feel desired??? -
Have you ever considered that she might be a lesbian? why dont you ask her. YOU might be suprised at her response. I dont know if you have checked out other forums on here but LOTS of women love their husbands and want to be in the marriage but are gay,myself included. needing to feel desired is important,maybe yall should talk about the situation,be completely honest. -
Have you really told your wife how you feel? Have you told her that honestly you have thought about having an affair because she doesn't make you feel desireable enough? For me, if I heard that coming from my husband it would probably **** me off a little, make me feel grateful for the honesty and damn sure make me want to start figuring out how to maka him feel better because I would be scared of the thought of losing him. Oh yeah, and I think it could also be a huge turn on to her to hear that it's still HER that you want and not some other woman. -
'Since he shuts down when we talk about it, what am I supposed to do, leave him without health care, without money...
I wouldn't do that to a friend.'
Yes -- that's exactly what you should do. We have friendships and relationships because the are mutually beneficial and rewarding. That no longer characterizes your relationship and the longer you stay in it the more bitter you will become and the more regrets you will have in life. Time to get excited about turning over a new leaf in life. -
I have no idea about this but. But I think that you staying was absolutely wonderful of you. Some things in life are beyond explanation and reason. Or maybe I'm just young. But I would have done what you did stayed. I don't know about the affairs. But for the first time in my life I have I think read a plausible reason for an affair. You weren't or aren't being selfish in my opinion if it was any other scenario, it would be different, people should just leave if they are not happy with their partners and would like to see other people, why disrespect someone and be an obstacle in the other persons way to actually maybe have a better life. But here you are staying for him more so for him then for yourself. Usually the kids are involved etc, but your staying for him. You could pick up and move on but your staying so you can help him. And i dont know what marriage is but i assume for me this is what it is, when the world out there is waiting for you but you decide to stay back for someone you love.
I don't have a clue about these things, but usually having a somewhat conservative view and someone who isn't big on love either, I think it's great you stayed. Good Luck an i hope things take a turn for the better SOON.
Good Luck !
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Hi Kelki...my 2 cents worth...it sounds like there is a bond there that is worth keeping and working on... I do believe there is love there between you as you still live together and try to work your problems out....and to me that is worth the effort of keeping the marriage intact...
Suggestion.....perhaps look at changing the way you are viewing your infidelities.... be open with him about them... affairs that are shared in openness and honesty with the primary partner in a relationship can be a real bonus in healing and pulling a relationship together....in that if the husband is respected honoured and loved by the honesty and open sharing the wife gives him...can make him appreciate and love her more to know that she loves him enough to share every part of her life including its intimacy that he may not be able to take part in physically...
I personally know some married women who have done this and their marriages were not only saved but blossomed into a happiness in their marriages that they had never thought possible....
Could be worth a try....it worked for my own marriage too...and I never came across any disasters in the wide circle of relationships that I knew had done this in the 10 or more years we engaged in it...not that it says none occurred...I just didnt come across any... -
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God bless u for wantg to hang o for his sake altho th temptation for sexual intmacies r too great.
God the Holy Spirit is our Helper, so as u call to Him, He strengthens u in ur dark moments now.He is the only solution,dear!
Glad that u did not take th easiest way out by throwg in th towel. Surely God will bring a miracle to you n hubby!
God bless you both with happiness n peace. -
Ask yourself why did you get married in the first place?
Was it love. lust, money, drunk night out, don't know?
That is the route to the answer of whether or not you should stay married! Marriage was never intended to be a sometimeish deal but people are so self centered that it turns out that way almost 75 percent of the time.
I may be a bit younger but I sure do have experience in this department! My husband and I always come back to the same result no matter what our issues may be .. we will work it out because we Love and Adore eachother! -
Tygerbaby,
Do you honestly think I went into this marriage knowing there would be no sex? I was 27 within 3 years he stopped making love to me, despite my advances, my suggestions, and my outright anger and confusion. I was not naive about marriage, I even married for love. Maybe on some level I do still love him. I married a best friend , a guy with a great sense of humor,all the right reasons to marry. We still have things to talk about but there is no sex. I wanted to spend the rest of my life with him and have children. Maybe it is a marriage based on guilt and responsibility at this time. I question that daily but until I work it all out I am not going to deny myself anymore, 12 years was a very long time. If that makes me self-centered so be it. Honestly, he gets the best of me now. The anger has turned to acceptance. I pray you never have to make the choices that myself and some of the others on the site have to make. I never ever made a decision to cheat out of anger, I did because I knew deep down I could not just leave him without giving him at least part of what he needed from me.
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My heart went out to you Kelki. So much of what you wrote reminds me of my life. I miss a sexual relationship too..but not necessarily with my husband. I gave up wanting him when he gave up wanting me, 9 years ago.I stay for some of the same reasons, but my children are grown and now I have grandkids whom I want to have great memories of their grandparents. We don't fight, we don't love. We just exist. It's like brother and sister living together. I am only 62, and forgot how much I enjoy sex...I thought I was all dried up, but recently reunited with someone from my past, and it was marvelous. I guess my memores of that will have to last me a very long time. I feel sad a lot of the times, but don't want to be just another divorced woman ..out there.
I stopped wishing I had a great sex life with my husband, he also doesn't turn me on...actually when I think about it...I lost that feeling a long time ago. My husband is 11 years older than me, I was 22 when we met and he had problems with sex even then. I seriously think he's never been much of a sexual person anyway, and maybe I married him too quickly and for all the wrong reasons. Some days I wish we would have a huge argument, and I could pack and leave. But I am so scared. Is this the way to live? -
either learn to live without sex or get out of relationship because i don't think you should have to separate the two.
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either learn to live without sex or get out of relationship because i don't think you should have to separate the two.
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Kelki,
I understand. I am married to a man I love dearly, and on most fronts, we have have a good relationship. We rarely have sex due to his chronic illness but also because he is withdrawn emotionally. He is physically and financially dependent on me; there aren't many activities we do as a couple anymore. We have a family, and he tries to participate as much as possible in our children's lives. He continues to get sicker, and there is no cure or new treatments but he could live for a long time in a progressively disabled state. I married him with full knowledge of his illness and am committed to stay with him throughout whatever may come. Even so, I miss him desperately and miss the physical intimacy. I have never cheated and do not plan to, but I know I am very vunerable to an affair. I accept that my desire for sex and intimacy is just as vital to my well-being as food, sleep, and water, and that one day, I may meet someone who I won't want to resist. Don't beat yourself up about the affairs and I don't think anyone should judge you unless they have been in your shoes. It sounds like you have been as honest as you can be with your husband (if he is like mine, sometimes they just don't want to acknowledge the issue). He has made his choice; it is up to you to decide where you want to go from here. A marriage can be many different things - it is whatever works. For a very long time, I have lived a great deal of my life on my own - many of my friends and most of my colleagues do not know my husband - I attend most social functions without him, and what activities we do have together must be coordinated around his illness. It is not just the illness - he actively chooses not to participate in many things that he could still do. For a long time, I struggled to get him to be more involved and find things that would bring him out more, but I now accept that this is his choice - as his decision to avoid sex. He recently admitted to me that he was ok with no longer having sex and felt better because of it. Leaving him is not an option as he has little means to support himself and to try to carrying separate households would create undue hardship on the children. Choosing to stay doesn't make the longings go away, and sometimes it can be all-consuming - sometimes we have to do things to save our own lives.
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Your story is similar to mine. I do want to divorce and be with my boyfriend for the rest of my life. But what is the hurry, this might end up in the same way......
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Don't let anybody judge you. You are unique. If it works for you to stay with your husband, but have certain needs fulfilled elsewhere, then that is what you should do.
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im about in the same boat. but i have 3 children. hes made sure i have no car no job no independance and no where to go
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If you have the means to leave, and if you think you will be happier outside of the marriage -- DO IT!
Omg, I can't even imagine what it's like to be in your situation. My parents live like you do. Separate rooms for about 12-13 years. I'm sure both of them have had affairs, even if I have no evidence for it. I'm not mad. I see what they're going through.
Right now I'm 23 and single. Hoping to find the right guy, to explore my sexuality, have someone to cuddle with, snuggle with, have incredible conversations with, etc. If I spend my 20s searching, only a few years enjoying, and the rest of my years *regretting* a marriage -- then what's the point?!
Never feel like it's too late for you. You are so young!!
To give you an extreme example, a few years ago, my great aunt got remarried, at 74!!! She found a wonderful man, who was a widower (she's a widow, too), and they are very very happy now. :-) -
If you have to cheat to keep the marriage going I say leave. I am contemplating similiar issues in my relationship but I just can not cheat. That only makes the relationship that much worse especially if you plan to try to work things out at all.
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I did leave my husband because of lack of intimacy , we were married for 3 years and i am only 26 , do i think it was selfish ? no , because he never tried , i did my part all this time , tried to be a good wife, step mother, daughter in law, u name it , and even so whenever i would go through the effort of creating a romantic environment there would be excuse after excuse .
we had the talk about him having a health problem, well if that is the case he never went to get it checked and i couldnt hold his hand and dragg him to the doc myself, he is not a child and obviously this issue wasnt important to him, so i wasnt that important to him.
and when it comes to intimacy , there are many ways to make the other partnet feel wanted and give pleasure even if one person has performance issues, well he never even tried any of that.
we are still great friends , but do i desire him or think i ever will, NO , not after so many times of him telling me NO
so i guess if u are ok with the situation ur in , then u can stay in ur marriage , or u can leave, keep him as a friend and support him and have a real relationship and be fully content with no burdains -
This is funny question, but how do you find the men? I'm looking for someone to fulfill my needs, and I'm a little afraid to jump into it, I've been in a sexless marriage for 15 years, and I'm feeling the lonliness, emptiness, and the complete emotional void.
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At some point you will want more from these men .... they are having their cake and eating it to & you will end up emotionally shredded.
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RKH,
Honestly, my experience is I am having my cake a la mode. Your comment is a complete double standard. You assume since I am a woman I will become emotional and thus hurt. If I do, that has already happened many times in my marriage and having an affair that ends is just part of life right now. I am emotionally mature enough to accept the consequences of my actions and thus keep the affair as a mutually beneficial relationship based on sex and friendship. I have now been with the same person for over a year and it is always new, always fulfilling and always FUN! -
Yes, you are having your cake 'ala mode' ... there is fun and fulfillment. When you were dating your husband I assume that you were having fun too, but for some reason things tend to change with commitment.
If you choose to leave the marriage is it because there is someone waiting in the wings?
Moving on ... I make no assumption that because you are a woman that you will be emotional and thus hurt - gender doesn't matter. Emotions happen whether one reveals them or not.
You made an interest point about emotional maturity and accepting the consequences of your actions. Just curious, what are (or what will be) the consequences? -
LMAO! I did not have sex for 12 years. Tell me this RKH: Would you have the strength to live without sex for most of your life? Would you stay with a spouse whom has health problems, who depends on you for financial support and insurance OR Would you leave him or her so you could have intimacy. At this point there were days my marriage left me more emotionally shredded then the ending of an affair ever could. Maybe I did not get a cookie cutter life but I am happy. I have a fulfilling job, a husband that can still make me laugh despite his illness and a lover/friend.
""Don't judge a man until you've walked two moons in his moccasins." "
— Sharon Creech (Walk Two Moons)
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