Man Created God

 Man created god when he got scared.

Man created god to explain the unexplainable

Man created god because we are self aware - unlike all other living creatures

Man created god because we have a frontal lobe

Man creacted god out of a need for self preservation

Man created god out of fear

Man created god to exert control over other men

Man created god to avoid death

Man created god to avoid feeling helpless in helpless situations

Man created god because humans create

Man created god because of the weather

Man created god

All wars are religeous wars

The only truth for ourselves is one of self acceptance, absence of denial.

The only truth for others is to never steal. 

Lying is stealing

Killing is stealing

Coveting is stealing

Taking what you have not earned or has been freely given to you is stealing

Give from abundance

Finally, a meaningfull life can only be lived when you follow your passion.  The trouble with most people is that they have not found their passion in life.  To those people I say keep trying stuff.  Try any and everything.  It will find you.

I have found that people that most (not all) people that want to live for god do not have a personal passion, trade, interest, or skill.  They simply live for an imaginary master.  They lack self awareness, will not face their own truth, and/or have denied themselves and are completely lacking in self acceptance.  The one high profile story exemplafying my assertion is Colorado Springs preacher Ted Haggard.  What a fool and lost human.  On the flip side, there were/are 20,000 members in that church which litterly disowned him, judged him, and sacraficed him in the name of their pointless empty religeon.  Oh the hypocrasy!! 

 

 

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12 Responses Feb 12, 2009

BettyValenitne,<br />
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nice legs.<br />
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as i said above denial is based on rejecting reality. So you're comment tha you cannot deny what does not exist is correct. You can however deny what does exist and hence my use of the word 'denial' in my reply. <br />
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You may have faith in the unproveable proposition that God does not exist. I have faith in the proposition that God does exist. If you are right then it has a far reaching affect on how you can choose to live your life and that the universe sprang out of nothing and when you die and your relatives die, that's it - it didn't matter how they lived their life as they are no more.<br />
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If I am right however, and one is accountable after death for how we've lived here and now, and if there is a plan, and there is a being that loves us and wants us to have a relationship with him, then that also has far reaching consequences. <br />
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If you're right, it doesn't matter. If I'm right, it does.

10.Man denied God as he is scared, doesn't know who he is or what he is expected to be. You say that motivations come from pleasure or pain avoidance principle. I say that those are the urges that we share with the animals. However the thing that makes us truly human is when we do things that cause us no pleasure and even welcome pain. e.g. standing up to corruption, defending the weak against the strong, sacrificing yourself for someone else, when my dad was younger he fell in a river and two men jumped in to save him and both of them drowned, people who are religious in a world that laughs and persecutes them, people who die and are tortured for ideals such as freedom or justice. They're the things that make us human and higher than the animals - our reason and free will to act against our natural instincts for the good of another. Anyway, I'm getting off the point. The 'what man is' and 'what his purpose is' is philosophical. People often get this philosphical analysis wrong - they usually do what you just did and debase humans to animals (pleasure pain inputs etc) and miss the beauty of what it is to be human - our soul, our rationality, our capacity for love and goodness. Few people work out that to be happy in life involves dedicating yourself to making others happy. Most think it's about grabbing happiness where you can get it - it just faulty knowledge and leads away from God as it leads into self.<br />
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11. Your other points seem to basically be that man created God because he was scared and it comforted him. Although I agree that many people are afraid of death, and most that aren't afraid of death have a belief in God, to say that is why people say there is a God, is, to my mind a bit of a jump. It is the God of the gaps thing again and so in first instance I'll just refer you back to my point above. <br />
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Incidentally, I don't believe in God as a fallback - I believe in God because it all fits together and makes sense. The thing my religions says about every question i have makes sense to me, but also the conclusions drawn on those premises e.g. things that then lead to a structure of how you live your life, i also recognise as beneficial to not only me, but the immediate people around me, and society as a whole. It all fits.

6. Man denied God because he is confused. Again I was being ironical because as you yourself said, people usually say that man created God because they have no other answers and so are confused and thus create God to make the questions go away. It is famously known as the 'God of the Gaps' argument. Thus I was being ironical using it as a reason for why man denies God. Ironically, I say it is because man gets confused with the answer of God that he thus plays the 'there is no answer' card making the gap the answer!!!<br />
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7. Man denied God because of poor experience of family or society. I guessed you might read this the wrong way. I don't say that atheists are atheists because they're incompletely developed due to 'mommy didn't kiss me enough' etc. Some people do - I'm not one of them. You obviously thought i was. What I in fact mean by the above is more to do with point 3 above. In order to be able to understand better what is meant by 'God' one needs to understand that it's all to do with a personal relationship. Theology is a waste of time if it doesn't help that interpersonal relationship. It's not a theory - it's a relationship. However, the type of relationship it is, is a familial relationship. Thus in order to understand what is meant by God better, and thus in order to understand the arguments and issues, one needs to have good experiences of familial and societal relationships. This by the way is recognised in psychology and isn't a religious theory. That's just me using it as common sense. It's about being equipped to understand, not about being damaged.<br />
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8. Man denied God due to beauty one. I agreed with all the examples you gave. I also think they're all beautiful. Although they say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and that there is a degree of beauty in everything, I think that I'm not being weird when I say there are degrees of beauty and there is also an abstract commonality. Most people will agree that the sunset is beautiful, or that a tree is beautiful, or that an eagle is beautiful, although they all look completely different. I think some things just make people gasp, and kind of make us feel lighter and more alive. I remember seeing the most beautiful woman i've ever seen walking down the street in the opposite direction. I actually stopped dead and couldn't walk. My mouth dropped open, i gasped and it was impossible to take my eyes off her. All i could do for about 2 mins once she'd gone was to look around me to share my experience with someone "did you see her? wow!!". I'm just aware that nowadays however, our sight is filled with things like buildings, cars, computers, offices etc. and although you could say that they're all beautiful in their own way, not seeing a starry sky at night because of light pollution, or hearing birds singing cause you live in a city, has an imperceptible affect. Natural beauty is awe-inspiring and it cries out of a majestic creator.<br />
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9. love debased to pleasure. I often hear people say 'oh I'm leaving my wife as she doesn't make me happy'. Or, they'll have a relationship with someone because of the way the other person makes them feel. It's not about the other person, it's about what sensation I get when I am with them (not necessarily physical - even emotion). I think it's just a little shallow - not to say it's not important, but just that there's more than that - a whole other side - the other person and how you make them feel. I'm sure you'd agree, but the thing that this has to do with why man denies God, is because of the relationship point above. If you're only into God because of what you think you can get out of him, then it's all going to melt away as what God usually gives you is suffering in this world. If people are used to basing relationships on how it makes ME feel, then it's very easy not to have a relationship with God as it's a relationship that needs working at.

You also asked 'what is do?' I thought this was common knowledge. To do something is to act. An act is composed of two parts, the actus reus (the physical action) and the mens rea (the intention).<br />
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You also said that hope has nothing to do with vulnerability. I disagree. Vulnerability is a potential for harm. To hope is the desire for the opposite of harm.<br />
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5. Man denied God to go it alone. What I meant by this and the other point about hope vs vulnerability is that to rely on others involves hope and courage (because if they let you down you may suffer harm). It is nothing new to you i'm sure to understand that someone who trusts someone and hopes that they will help them, but is then let down by that person, will not as easily trust someone in the future, or be as hopeful that the person they're relying on them will be faithful to them. When man is let down, his natural tendency is to not want to rely on someone again. Thus because of the pain caused by unfaithfulness of people, he doesn't want to trust and rely on something he can't even see (like God) to help him. So he denys the need for reliance. Wants to go it alone to avoid being hurt - thus man denies God. <br />
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You say that man is born alone and dies alone. My answer to that is that man cannot live alone. To not trust anyone, or hope in anyone, or rely on anyone is not really living (see John Donne). It is not human to be alone. Humans are made to be in a family, and to say that man is born alone and dies alone is kinda missing the point of the middle bit (in my opinion).

sexlessincolorado,<br />
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funny post.<br />
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i'm not surprised you didn't understand some of my pithy lines - that's because i was a) being ironical using them, and b) they can be read more than one way. I thought that as you'd taken the time to comment on them, pointing out various possible flaws, the least i could do was respond....(no disrespect intended)<br />
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You asked what denial was - it's just a refusal to accept a reality. By saying that man created God (for whatever reason) it skips over the first fact - that we are here. The fact that we are here - really - in reality, means that man (who has been able to recognise reality) has thus asked that first question - "where did we come from?" It followed closely to "why am I here - what is my purpose?" and finally "where am i going - is death the end?". <br />
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If you hold that man created God, then fine, you think God isn't the answer to those questions, but that doesn't mean the questions disappear. The questions are real. To say that the answer of God was given for other reasons is kinda missing the point (and in any event, I disagree with your reasoning), but even if you're right, if the answer to those questions is given a label, lets say that label is "God" (- not saying what God is just that the answer is called "God", I could have said the answer is the word 'apple'), then by saying that there is an answer to those questions, I say that 'apple' or 'God' exists - in reality. Thus denial is not accepting that their is an answer - in reality.<br />
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Anyway - weird babble over, dealing with the rest of what you were saying...<br />
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1. Man denied because he didn't want to be man - wtf? what i mean is that to 'kill God' is like killing the idea that there is someone more powerful than us that has a plan and can control things. Man wants to be the only one in control of his own life, and doesn't want to be accountable for what he does with his own life. Thus he didn't want to accept his own powerlessness. He didn't want to accept his own mortality. He didn't want to accept his lack of control. Quite simply he wanted to deny his own nature - he didn't want to be a man - he wanted to be the image of God. Thus he 'killed God' to take his place and say that "I am in control of my own destiny" - "I can do things that make me immortal", "I have the power to control".<br />
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2. Man denied God because didn't understand suffering. Most people struggle with the picture of this kind, loving, all-powerful being that no-one sees 'face-to-face' because they see the world is unfair, or that bad things happen and they say "There can't be a God cause he wouldn't let this happen". The people who say this don't understand the origin of suffering, why it continues to happen, and why it isn't stopped. Thus I'm simply saying that this lack of knowledge/understanding - because they were never told perhaps, is another reason why man denies God.<br />
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3. Man denied God because he doesn't know what He is. What i mean by this is that people think of God as some fluffy loving thing in the sky, or as a judge waiting for us to trip up so he can punish us, or a master ordering us to be his servants, or a bloodthirsty cruel being that toys with us. All of these views are wrong and yet people think they're true and act on this premise to say that they God doesn't exist in reality and was born in the immagination of man. Your point about religions saying different things about God is valid to a degree. However, you're operating on your premise that the religions created God. Thus it's subjective. However, whether God exists in reality is ob<x>jective, not subjective. He either does or does not. If he does he Is what he is and doesn't change just because one particular person or religion may describe him in a different way. If religions disagree on what God is - then this means by logic that either one of them is wrong, or they're both wrong, but they can't both be right. In other words, opinion must match to reality, not reality to opinion. You seem to be starting from the wrong end of the analysis.<br />
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4. Man denied God to rebel. This is linked to 1. above. However, this one is also to do with authority. Man doesn't want to serve/obey rules especially when those rules cause hardship and the other way is so much easier and pleasurable and thus as they can't see this 'Lawgiver' they deny the lawgiver in order to say that the law doesn't exist too. No lawgiver, no law. Man wants to rebel against this yoke of having to do the right thing. Without God there is no such thing as a 'right' thing - only man made legality and illegality.

You sound like a philosophy/religion double major, with a masters in theology gone wrong.............;-) just kiddin!

Your killing me. Man denied God because they have a poor experience of family and society You nailed it buddy. Man created god because his mommy and daddy did not love him, or maybe the reality of life as an adult was too much to bear because surviving can be a b*ch. Oh, I get it. Man denied God because there are few beautiful things he comes in contact with Few beautiful things? Where were you raised? In as shoe box in Calcutta? There is nothing more beautiful than a baby, a puppy, a kitten, a sunset, a woman’s body (at least to me) the beach, ect, ect, ect, ect. Define beauty - throw me bone here. I am just not getting it. If you do not see beauty in this world you need to see a therapist. Man denied God because love was debased to pleasure <br />
When was loved debased to pleasure? In the cosmic debasing machine? What does love and pleasure have to do with god - NADA! I had bone cancer. Nearly died a few times. Experienced and still experience unbelievable pain. Ever broken a bone? It’ like having a perpetual broken bones. Boy does the morphine help me feel better. So, what does feeling good have to do with love? Man denied God because he doesn't know who he is or what he is expected to be Exactly Buckwheat. Man created god because he is scared and has a difficult time accepting himself. See Ted Haggard story above. What kind of expectations are you talking about? Give me one of 10 million human expectations and I will guarantee you they come from about 2-3 sources. Non of which have anything to do with god. %99.9 of all human or animal behavior is motivated by the avoidance of pain or seeking of pleasure. Man denied God because he treats life like a fight Life can be hard and is a fight at times. Especially the survivors of concentration camps, pleague, dictators, famine, ect, ect, ect. God did not create the problems and god is not going to solve them. You know why? Because there is NO god. Man denied God because he wants more power Power over what? Death. people are scared to die. It is normal. Self preservation is a very strong survival tool. Man created god because he is scared right? Your summary is lame. People give so they can feel good about themselves. PERIOD. Some people also give because it is painful. The same dopamine is created out of pleasurable giving as it is out of painful giving. So all giving is done to make you feel better. Nothing wrong about giving. I volunteer a lot (and I not kidding or exaggerating. I am on community and government art boards and volunteer at several hospitals every month. I do it because it makes me feel good and it is good for my business. Dude, you walked into a buzz saw. Can you do a little better?

Aha - a challenger - great!<br><br />
No disrespect whomever you are, but here I go...<br><br />
What is denial? What does denial have to do with anything? The one and only thing people can deny is being honest with themselves<br><br><br />
Man denied God because he did not want to be a Man. huh? Man is man wtf? Man denied God because he didn't understand suffering Are you kidding me? There is immense suffering on this planet.<br>Has any living thing ever not experienced suffering? Show me the record. Show me the proof. Man denied God because he doesn't know what God is Do you know how many religions there are? Plenty. They all have different definitions of god. Man can not decide on what god is because man has created god and many, many versions of it. Man denied God because he wants to rebel Huh?Rebel against what? Man denied God because he doesn't want to be told what to do Are you kidding me? What do you mean what to do? what is "do"? Man denied God because to hope is to be vulnerable Hope? What does hope have to do anything about being vulnerable? We are vulnerable. Every living thing is vulnerable. Hope has NOTHING to do with vulnerability. We are vulnerable to the weather, other people, disease, affection, self acceptance. Name one thing we aren't vulnerable to. If you open yourself up to recieve love from another human, pet, or inanimate oject you are vulnerable. Dude, your not thinking. Man denied God because he wants to go it alone Are you kidding? Oh, I get it. I feel alone, so I think I will create an imaginary friend and call it god. Wait a minute. Schizopnrenic people do this all the time. So god was created because of unresolved feelings of lonesomeness? Yep, man sure did. An you know what else? We experience coming in to this world alone and we leave this world alone. No one can experience it for us - nor anthing else for that matter. Man denied God because he is confused and wants to work it out himself<br><br><br />
This is too easy. I'm confused, so I think I will create an imaginary friend in the cosmos to help me. Yes, this is the number one reason man created god. Man got scared, felt lonely, experienced <br>something not understood or comprehensible and therefore blamed it on something that does not exist. Your exactly right. Man invented god because he was confused. Man denied God because it boosts his image of independence Huh? Independence from what? Mommy and Daddy? Oppressed childhood feelings of inadequacy because your older brother stole your science project? Dude, throw me bone.<br>

Man denied God because he did not want to be a Man.<br />
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Man denied God because he didn't understand suffering<br />
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Man denied God because he doesn't know what God is<br />
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Man denied God because he wants to rebel<br />
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Man denied God because he doesn't want to be told what to do<br />
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Man denied God because to hope is to be vulnerable<br />
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Man denied God because he wants to go it alone<br />
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Man denied God because he is confused and wants to work it out himself<br />
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Man denied God because it boosts his image of independence<br />
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Man denied God because they have a poor experience of family and society<br />
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Man denied God because there are few beautiful things he comes in contact with<br />
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Man denied God because love was debased to pleasure<br />
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Man denied God because he doesn't know who he is or what he is expected to be<br />
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Man denied God because he treats life like a fight<br />
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Man denied God because he wants more power<br />
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A meaningful life is when you fulfill the potential for which you were made. All men are made with the capacity to live good lives. Doing good things gives life and often involves sacrifice. A mother who works hard that her child is warm and fed; a doctor who goes without sleep to treat the sick on the battlefield; a friar who endures poverty and criticism to tell people about goodness - all of these things are meaningful but not based on self - but on the other. <br />
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It's not about fulfilling your own passion, but being passionate about others.

thatsnotlove,<br />
It seems to me that truth is simple. Applying is almost impossible for most.<br />
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Thanks for the compliment. Please pass my thoughts along so we we can have a healthy discussion.

you rock!

Thanks, <br />
Please pass on this experience. I am dreadfully disappointed in the human condition and feel are solutions are simpler and closer at hand than everyone realizes.