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Hello....anyone here active in Maum meditation? If so would love to chat and share experiences. I just completed my first week and have some mix feelings but overall good. Can't wait to continue and feel enlightened as I cleanse my mind!

NRGHealer NRGHealer 36-40 107 Responses Dec 21, 2009

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Well, I am now at a crossroads..... I've been doing this for about 4 months and they tell you level 2 completion is almost the most difficult.

I want to give you some background first and some reasons as to why I feel it necessary to post.

About 4 years ago around Easter, after some pretty severe depression I started to change the way I was living, changing my habits, and trying to change my thinking into being a more positive person. I always advocated for others and attempted to be selfless, debating on forums and the like. 1 day I was reading a book on architecture and it spoke of "parts to wholes" and how a part is nothing without a whole, nor a whole without a part (eg a pen is only a pen if it has ink, a nib, and a handle - thus ink alone is not a pen etc)..... I pondered how this occurred with time. Over a day of pondering this, something inside me began to come alive - inside my heart. Then during the night, whilst debating my mind EXPLODED. What I'd read in Eckharte Tolle years back was now intuitive to me! Everything I had ever known came pouring out of me, who I was and what I was became so profoundly clear - I *was* the Universe and the Universe was me. I wrote in a stream of consciousness like I've never experienced before, understanding then and there I was not the product of my past, all that mattered was the present and I could FEEL into the future. I could feel our unity. I felt the presence of Jesus, yet I was a skeptic at best on Christianity. I was sleeping 2-4 hours a night and waking up with more energy than I'd ever felt in my entire life. I felt a bliss and happiness, a wave of flowing through my like the currents of the universe. I understood life as the unity of contradictions - separation was only an illusion! I was totally selfless, totally egoless, the feeling is so much more complex but I'd run out of space going on about it. If you've ever seen this video by Jim Carrey, it closely resembles what I experienced (search for "Jim Carrey on "Awakening" - Eckhart Tolle TV" on youtube)

It only lasted for 3 weeks though.... I kept trying to push this discovery onto everyone, preaching to them like a maddened monk. Eventually, by trying to rationalize what it was I'd experienced against everyone's disbelief, I too eventually lost belief in it, and with that the feeling disappeared. I feel straight back into my old habits and thought patterns and depression kicked in again.....

2 years later it happened again! This time it was Ramadan, the circumstances very similar to the above. This time it lasted only 4 weeks. AGAIN, I succumbed to the belief of OTHERS. I let their world views overshadow mine, and I'd lost it all, returning again to my depressions and old habits.

I have tried and tried to get back there, reading spiritual books after spiritual books, watching documentaries after documentaries to attain the unattainable..... It has become my obsession. It was both my greatest gift and my biggest curse.

And then I found Maum Meditation. It made SO much sense to me based on my experiences. I even went to a talk by Woo Myong and he described to the letter the exact experience I had! The infinite energy, the burst of consciousness! Here was a man in flesh and blood who'd experienced what I had, he got there in a different way, but he'd got none the less!

Naturally, I joined. I was skeptical about the fees because when it happened to me I wanted to share it with the world and I wanted to do it for free! So why was this being charged??? Warning bells were ringing but I decided anyways to give it a go....... I have kept to it, and am now 4 months in nearing the end of level 2 where they say you shed parts of your self that dominate your thinking.

So here I am, at the end, and now looking into Maum Meditation searching for forums and I find all this stuff. All the negativity about it - it's a cult; Woo Myong's awards a fake; it shouldn't cost money; the incredibly huge fees in level 4 and level 7..... And my mind agrees.

THIS IS MY MOMENT. To succumb once again to the beliefs of others and let their own subjective experiences dominate what I know in my heart, or continue forth????

I don't know what I'll do. I'm going to go talk to my helpers today. I'm going to ask them about the fees, because yes, there is a secretive nature to the upper levels that they're always trying to hide! Could it be that it distracts one from their current level if they think too far ahead? Or could it be that they do not want us to know more? I feel crushed after having read all this negativity about it and it has left me feeling incredibly depressed.

And so that's why I wanted to post. To say where I am, clear my own thoughts and hope that someone is in the same boat and can feel free to message me and make me believe. I also wanted to post because really, why should these people ragging on it have any more right to do it than those who are supporting it and have been branded drones of MM?

I never once doubted it until this moment. Is this because it is my biggest crux, and is, as they say, a result of the end of level 2? Or is it more deep seeded?

I am giving it 1 more month. 1 thing I did know is I feel better after doing it, it continues to make sense, and I found joy in knowing it would give me peace at the end. But now I just don't know........

I like Eckhart Tolle teachings, I read all his books, and I agree maum meditation goes along with his teachings but only until some point, I would say until around level 4 of maum meditation, because its not easy to pass level 4. Why did you start doubting maum meditation in first place?

It is not an easy decision after being so attached to maum meditation.
Enlightenment cannot be given or guarantee, It only can be happened.

Maum Medetition is orchestrating cover-up posts on the internet, like this user somebody0293382 with his fake story. Maum is dangerous destructive cult. Do search on the internet what it does and how it operates.

Nahh, I'm not part of the maum organization. I'll answer other questions, but I've already said that I've quit for like two years.

I am also positive that there are some cover up user accounts out there, and I certainly do believe that maum meditation is not a true meditation technique that is in the buddhist or hindu tradition.

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I am a ex-maum meditation practitoner. It has been nearly two years since I have quit the technique, reaching to level four. However, I have managed to get the technique for upto level seven, and they are in theory pretty similar to level four.

I quit because of several reasons. One reason was because of the obvious cult-ish elements. Around the end of level four, you do have to start believing that the founder and his wife are the "father and mother" of the universe, and this kind of rhetoric begins as early as end of level two, although they are much more subtle. Another reason was because I felt that the technique was numbing me, which made me develop a large ego and had me feel like I could not connect with people - and yes, this includes making friends as well. Keep in mind that back then, I was a young "foreigner" who spoke both English and Korean fluently (I am of Korean descent living in a different country), so the organization treated me with quite esteem. In fact, when I was at the main centre one time, nearly all these "helpers" and "helpers-in-trainees" (I prefer to use the term "teacher") were lined up infront of the door as I left the one-month stay.

For about a year and a half, I cannot deny that quitting maum meditation has somewhat benefited me. I had a spirit inside my body once again, and could finally interact with regular beings. Nevertheless, I still had some effect from the organization, believe it or not, and some of these were good and others were not as good. I still held the ego and high esteem, partly because my mind still saw everything in the third-perspective, a.k.a. the universe perspective. After quitting maum meditation, my academics skyrocketed and I had achieved some of the greatest things I had done in my short life.

Now this is where the question enters in. After some things did not turn my way last summer, I decided to try a different kind of meditation, realizing that this would be slower and deeper. I will not name the meditation technique, although it is very popular all around the world, and has a loose connection with buddhism. This was not cultish - at least not intentionally - and I began practicing this meditation daily.

Meditation is supposed to make you feel at peace when you reach the intended goal. Unfortunately, my mind became extremely agitated. I began to think based on my feelings and had some very, very strange thoughts. Paranoid thoughts. This is the product of deep-rooted mental supression that begins to arise. At least that is what they say, yet I do believe them for they are a credible organization with a very, very ancient technique.

I also began to become numb, but not in the same numbness I had felt before. This was actually numbness. With maum meditation, it was due to a desire to feel this "high" I received after meditation. With the new technique, I simply didn't have desires. I had no desires to achieve. I had no desires to flirt with girls, yet even talk to them a little bit. I had no desire to socialize, period. This made me panic, as I had just moved out of my home and my mind was not being right. So had I thought.

About a couple weeks ago, I decided to try the method of maum meditation again for a very short period of time. Nothing in the upper levels, just the basics that I had been taught many years ago. By this time, my grades had faltered and I was a totally different person. However, with maum meditation, I received this spark, this glow of joy that i had not received for so many months. It made me feel alive again.

I was very confused with this. Still am. One the one hand, I want to believe that maum meditation is an evil organization with deep manipulative roots, especially considering how expensive the final stage is ($4500), yet alone the monthly fee itself. It had, in the end, made me feel betrayed by the revelation of the woo-myung rhetoric.

On the other hand, I cannot deny that the practice of maum meditation has its benefits. They are quick, fast, and effective for treating mental issues and illnesses. When these people say that maum meditation has changed their lives, it really has, not because of the so-called brainwashing, but due to the simple technique that has eliminated a lot of their suffering.

I don't know if this practice is right. It does not make you observe the real roots of suffering. It simply tells you to throw away. I don't know how much of an insight that can give an individual, considering you do not learn how to co-exist with the suffering. Rather, you simply face the past for a brief second and throw it away in different variations. However, I will admit that it works. It works for the ordinary layman and laywomen who do not have time to meditate for hours a day in recluse. It works to eliminate the basic suffering one experiences in the 21st century world.

I am not brainwashed by the organization. I do not wish to join the organization again, nor am I being instructed by the "spirits of woo myung". That is just nonsense. I am simply expressing what I have experienced after quitting maum meditation. Despite the lack of moral foundation and the hypocritical nature of the "helpers" and the organization itself, there is something unique about the meditation technique. I don't know what it is, except the fact that it works to some extent.

I am open to feedback, but please do not tell me that I must get out of this "brainwashing". Again, I am not. I do however feel that there is some potential that underlies within the technique. If there is anyone else that has quit maum meditation for some time, please let me know of your experience. I think us ex-practioners cannot deny that there is a part of this technique that, in the end, does its job. And it does it quite well.

Amazing that you have noticed the developed Ego and high esteem during the practise of MM. I realised it only after reading your post.
I just quit MM one month ago, after being joined for two months. I am still level 1 while leaving MM, the helper pass everyone except me because I always ask questions, haha~~ I have posted short story.
MM is not a meditation at all. I would rather called it phycho hint, or self-hypno, or self-drugging. I would advise you need not use it.
Although it is just short trip with MM, it still a good lesson and experience to me.

to somebody0293382. You are fake ! you are maum zombie trying to make a story and cover up for the maum cult. 가짜의 !!!

Nah man. I've repeated that I'm not part of the maum meditation organization anymore. I haven't really complemented the organization, either. If you'd like to have a serious discussion, please let me know. But otherwise stop with these kinds of baseless arguments.

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Like victims of tick bites are often unaware, as the parasites inject painkilling agents to numb the bite and start sucking your blood and living on you.
Same with Maum meditation its like parasitic tick attaches to your soul, injects some happiness drug in to you, and keeps sucking until you either awaken and remove the parasite or they will finished suck on you until it take your body and soul and your life completely, and you become one of their parasitic drones looking for a prey.
Anybody who reading this PLEASE do search about their organization, read ex member’s testimonials. Ask questions, because maum meditation hiding a lot from you.
What they are hiding ? They are hiding about the last level (it has several names- level 8, or culmination level, or chamma camp, or human completion), after several years of practicing maum without this “culmination” you won't be “complete”and they will make this clear that all your years of meditating will be for nothing if you dont do this last level. They will demand high amount of money for it. They also hiding that to pass one of the levels, you will have to accept, that their leader Woo Myung is the Creator of the Universe. They are hiding about Sky fund donation requests to relieve your past away ancestors.
I am ex member of maum organization, I have been at their conferences, meetings, certainly they have dark energy circulating, its not natural, its not from Nature. Some darkness fills their minds and bodies. “Complete” maum members has no normal life, they have hard time to keep a regular conversation going other than about maum meditation, they brag a lot about how happy they are, at the conferences maum leaders tells you that they are enlightened beings. I can tell this- they have no true freedom, their freedom is in the maum cult. Maum Meditation uses mind control techniques for their own gain. If you practice maum you are being brainwashed, you won't know this, because their drug makes you feel happy, and you becoming addicted to it.
If you were or will be able to escape from maum meditation group, you will become stronger, brighter and wiser, you will understand that to be truly enlightened and live happy in peace, you don't need any artificial methods and levels.
LET LIFE FLOW THROUGH YOU, LET IT FLOW NATURALLY, YOU DON’T NEED ANY SHORTCUTS, each of us we sposed to carry our own cross without help especially from maum meditation or similar organization.

I know someone who has gotten into this a bit more than expected and your as well as other posts I've seen raise some concerns. Where would I look for more information?

It took me 2 years and three months to complete the Maum Meditation study. A friend was doing this meditation and she recommended that I start. I was very skeptical but still intrigued about the method and it's promises. I had seen my friend change tremendously so I decided to give it a try. Within 1 month I was able to stop taking my anxiety medication and never take it since. It's just throwing away all of the emotional baggage that has been accumulated over our lives. I have become healthier, I have gotten a promotion in my career(accountant), my relationships with my family and friends have improved greatly. All the method takes is some diligence and patients and you can get there. The helpers are very dedicated and will always try their best to guide you. They still helped me through even though I was very mean to them sometimes haha. The greatest part is that even though a lot of things are said you get to realize everything on your own. I also met Woo Myung, he is extremely cool and nice, he just prefers not to be a public figure.I tried many meditations and spiritual remedies where they talked about the same principals, but this one really helped me achieve it. My suggestion would be to try for a month and then see for yourself from there. Thanks and best of luck. PJ

Hi, I did this "meditation", when to south korea for 3 month it turn out to be a cult, on the surface it looks ok until level 4, when they tell you that the metod creator is god, and you should call him father and his wife mother, is a total brainwash, please be award, there are alot of innocent people cauth in to this cult, as it looks inofensive on the beginig, and if you are aready in south korea, they have a whole inviroment to help to break you, be careful¡

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There are people who get radical about anything you have to judge it by your own experience. No one who is involved in maum wants this sort of thing to happen. If you look up trancendental meditation they have the same kind of negative things. There's always going to be oposers. Maum Meditation changed my life in a very positive way.

Also found this on Timesledger.com, it might help to understand why its not a good idea to join Maum Meditation if you have a family....
Destruction of the family by Maum Meditation 14 year olds testimony
My dad does Maum Meditation, here in Canada. He's a pretty stressed out person,
since he's the only one who has a job. My mom can't because she has health
problems, and is well on her way to getting better, and I'm too young(14). The
first few months, he was becoming a wonderful person. More relaxed, and kind
towards others. Few months later, my mom and I noticed obsession with this maum
meditation. He'd tell my mom to go there and he'll work, if not, then he's going
to quit his job. (he has a really tough job, and now he has back, hand and thigh
pain.) After few more months, he is CRAZY about this! I noticed the "cult
personality". It was scary. He'd be telling everyone to throw away all your
thoughts and feelings, because it means nothing.As more time went on, he'd be at
the meditation center EVERY chance he gets. He comes home only about every other
week for 3 days or less. (he's a truck driver) so when he's in USA, he'd attend
the maum meditation there. And when he comes "home", he'd be at maum meditation.
That's his home, and where my mom and I live is his second home. My mom just
recently found out about how their rent (or the payment of the rent, not sure
which one) was under my dad's name! He even made donations over a thousand
dollars there, and my mom packs his food for work, and it's this expensive
organic drink that my mom bought just for my dad. When my dad arrived from work,
my mom found them ALL to be in the fridge of the Maum mediation center! She
didn't even let me drink that, because it was for HIS health in mind! Also,
being his "home", he eats, sleeps and even SHOWERS there. He even has his own
little soap bar there. My mom got drunk one night, and just let out everything
she's been keeping in at my dad and told him that he should just go to Korea,
since the maum meditation is more important than our family(Maum meditation head
quaters is there). So he left. EVERYTHING. I called the meditation center after
he left the house asking if my dad was there. The helper said that he left 10
minutes ago. My mom and I ran to out car, and found his cellphone and a note
there to me saying he's sorry.So my mom called relatives in Korea and they
picked him up at the airport. They took him to their home and called my mom and
said he'll be back in 10 days. And I talked to him, and he said he's sorry
because we shoud've gone to Korea as a family. I didn't say much to him. Then my
mom and I had a relief moment because maybe seeing his parents in 11 years has
changed him. Few days later, (he went to the maum meditation headquaters) and
called saying that he wants my mom and me to come to Korea with him and live in
the maum meditation head quarters. He said that we can all meditate there. But
he said its a good place with lots of other kids and we pay them to live there.
He also said that we can all stay there until he becomes a helper, becuase the
max age you can be is 45 and hes 43. It's going to take a year for his training
to be completed, and he said that I won't be going to school during that time.
My mom told me something about them sending him to Brazil, Argentina... My mom
did some research and found out more about this. She found out that when they
say Brazil, they mean the dessert. And she know that while he's becoming a
helper, he's going to do the same with her and me. So my dad came back from
Korea. But, not to stay with us, but to sign the divorce papers, and sign papers
to sell his truck. Then he's going back to the maum head quarters. He doesn't
know the truth about this place. The only people he listens to is the helpers.
The helpers in my area have done nothing but bad to my dad. They show no concern
for my dad's behavior, and they enforce it. She tells him things like to stay
longer, and she cooked yummy food, etc. Also, when my mom was talking to her
that she's going to try her best to keep him with our family. The helper there
said, ''Why? So you can make him work again?''. Which was really offensive, and
sounded like she was implying that my mom's treating him bad. He's still at our
home, currently. I don't know what will happen next. My mom told him that he's
basically killing us, because we cannot survive here. He said that whether my
mom and me die or not, it doesn't matter to him. (that's not what he said when
he cheated on her with her best friend 5 years ago!). He keeps telling me to go
there when my mom's not around. I don't want him to go because I care about him
but I don't know how to tell him because I can't say anything had about maum
meditation because he always thinks that my mom is telling me this stuff, or the
Internet, and telling me it's not true and how would I know if I never
meditated. It's impossible to talk sense into him! My mom told him to stay here,
and we'll move to Toronto, and she'll do a homestay job, and he can become a car
mechanic (which he used to love so much) and he can come home everyday and go to
maum meditation in Toronto everyday and she'll do everything he wants. He said
not to try to change his mind, because he's going to the maum meditation head
quarter no matter what.

I'm not saying all this maum meditation is bad, just to be careful.
My mom heard me crying last night, and told my dad. (around 4am) He came in
crying a lot. He held my hands and kept tellin me that I grew a lot, and I'm so
nice and blah.. Then I told him that if he leaves, we'll never see each other
forever. He stays quiet. Then I say that he's leaving us behind because of the
maum meditation. Then he threw my hand away, got up and yelled at me, ''OKAY
THEN JUST COME TO KOREA WITH ME, OR YOU CAN JUST STAY HERE. I'M GOING NO MATTER
WHAT!''. It was devastating.. He changed so much.

I don't know what will happen next. Please email me at lakieas33@hotmail.com if
you have some more info on this! He is abandoning his family, and I won't be
able to see him for the rest of my life.. They've been married for 15 years, and
because if this, our family is gone. If he leaves, my mom said that we're going
to shut the maum meditation in our area down because we've got nothing more to
lose. It's mostly the helper there to blame. When it's just him and her, she's
telling him all these twisted words. He even told my mom that this world we're
living in now, is all a dream that we can't wake up from.

*Also, my mom even contacted former maum meditators, or helpers in other areas.
They thinks he's insane. They've tried to talk to him, but he just has one thing
in his mind: maum meditation*

It took me 2 years and three months to complete the Maum Meditation study. A friend was doing this meditation and she recommended that I start. I was very skeptical but still intrigued about the method and it's promises. I had seen my friend change tremendously so I decided to give it a try. Within 1 month I was able to stop taking my anxiety medication and never take it since. It's just throwing away all of the emotional baggage that has been accumulated over our lives. I have become healthier, I have gotten a promotion in my career(accountant), my relationships with my family and friends have improved greatly. All the method takes is some diligence and patients and you can get there. The helpers are very dedicated and will always try their best to guide you. They still helped me through even though I was very mean to them sometimes haha. The greatest part is that even though a lot of things are said you get to realize everything on your own. I also met Woo Myung, he is extremely cool and nice, he just prefers not to be a public figure.I tried many meditations and spiritual remedies where they talked about the same principals, but this one really helped me achieve it. My suggestion would be to try for a month and then see for yourself from there. Thanks and best of luck. PJ

liar, I know you and you are fake¡

I so agree with you Sattvika! PJVank is fake!

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I plan to join such a group if they are still here and open. What was your first week like? ( if you don't mind)

I've been doing Maum meditation for about 2 years now and I am currently living at the main center in South Korea.
I've been here for about 6 months and been studying at the Main center and will stay here for about a year.
After growing up in a non religious family, I never thought I would be into meditation
But like I saw on one other post, the proof is in the pudding.
After doing the meditation for a month I noticed a significant difference in my personality, less stress, less mind constantly running all the time, it was kind of like my brain was a hamster on a wheel, always moving.
This is very convenient during the day but not very helpful at night or when you just want to relax, i had to seek outside influences to help me control my inner state, it was a wreck!
Anyways, now that I am doing Maum Meditation I am currently at level 4 and I can say that Maum has changed my life in the best way possible.
Now, no matter what I am doing. I am at peace, whether taking a job, having a disagreement with someone, or eating dinner.
I hope this post would even help one person continue or begin their meditation. Good luck and god bless :)

<p>Hello,<br />
<br />
These questions/comments are directed to the people who are experiencing a positive overall effect on their lives. I am close to someone who is currently attending, and am mildly concerned about the following:<br />
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-the similar characteristics with Scientology in regards to <br />
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achieving levels, ie after achieving you feel euphoria/understanding, but that seems to dissipate, making you more fixated on getting to the next level to regain that feeling; in addition the increasing fines as you progress; I have also read something about level 5 you must learn a prayer praising the founder of Ma'um <br />
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-the fact that they "kill you" before every session; this particularly makes me nervous because I feel like once you continuously let someone do that it gives them power.<br />
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-my family member seems to spend all her free time nights/weekends, and it is becoming more and more of what she talks about when I do see her.<br />
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-I did go for a week, and it wasn't for me, but I'm glad its working for others</p><p>I apologize if any of these comments are offensive; I am just trying to learn more info. Responses are much appreciated<br />
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Thank you :)</p>

I have been meditating for some years and have spent about 40 hours on level one.
I think that there are many positives but the center here is a bit pushy.

They also lack experience
Just be careful

I just attended a free intro seminar and I am really impressed. I have studied meditation for years and I have never heard of a method so simple. I am looking forward to doing this form of meditation as just reading dualistic texts and meditating on my own is not cutting through all the layers anymore. With as mind opening and expansive experiences I have had with meditation, I have not reached the end blow out that so many talk about. I know there are some final threads to be cut. I am looking forward to Maum Meditation.

Maum Meditation is a cult. The cultish elements appear after the "level 1", where pressure and rediculous talks about the founder, Woo-Myung begin to come in. It becomes dangerous because, the first level makes you feel really light and calm afterwwards. So it's easy to believe everything that they say.

To pass level four, you must accept that "Woo Myung and [his wife] are the owners of the universe". AKA they are god. At level five, they make you mentally destroy the Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa, Jesus Christ, etc. and then claim that while they can be discarded, Woo Myung and his wife live on forever. At level six, the practicioners mentally burn, cut up and grind their families into the pieces and then become assured that it is okay, because the meditation technique is the way to truth. After these levels, money becomes heavily involved for the sake of the organization.

In addition, many of the "helpers" have serious problems with anger, pressure, etc. I've seen so many of them who are immature and childish. They've had serious peoblems in their lives, discovered maum meditation, then decided to become helpers. These people are not intelligent at all. Their logic is flawed since they are only based on Woo Myung himself (who is not even a monk).

Just because Maum Meditation makes you feel happier does not mean it is good long-term. The earlier levels do help with mental stability, but they eventually become replaced with cultish elements which brainwash people. This is not a coincidence; i am certain that this was intentional, since it can create brainwashing more effectively.

Do not join. If you have joined, leave. There are many other meditation techniques which may be slower and require more patience. But on the long term, they will leave a higher state of mind. Especially on higher levels, they will pressure you and call you repeateadly if you do not come. You do not need the knowledge of the Maum Meditation techniques for happiness.

(I know that these are hard to believe, since I'm sure many of you have great experiences with the organization. But trust this)

"To pass level four, you must accept that "Woo Myung and [his wife] are the owners of the universe". AKA they are god. At level five, they make you mentally destroy the Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa, Jesus Christ, etc. and then claim that while they can be discarded, Woo Myung and his wife live on forever. At level six, the practicioners mentally burn, cut up and grind their families into the pieces and then become assured that it is okay, because the meditation technique is the way to truth. After these levels, money becomes heavily involved for the sake of the organization."

Although I'm still level 1 and will not be able to continue because of $150/mo rate + wifey having a baby.... I can say this post is totally biased and completely false/ignorant.

First, although I hear the words "founder Woo-Myung" there is a little too much, what church do you go to that isn't the same story? I grew up Catholic and when you go to that institution you will hear Jesus, Peter, Mary beaten into your head over and over again. This fixation on one particular individual seems to be a real problem with humanity, instead of keeping the focus on the meaning of the message!

Second, I think the method of dying in the mind isn't bad at all. The alternative is to take yourself and materialism so seriously that you avoid ever thinking about the fact that life in this state is NOT eternal. We see humans die all the time. No different than any other animal. A dead squirrel on the road. No different!

Maum meditation does not mince words in this way. When your physical body dies--it is dead! What you take with you is your experience in the form of a spirit, ghost, holy ghost, whatever. The point is that in that moment, you are still aware and conscious! It's on a different level of reality, but it is consciousness and that is the real situation that one way or another, all of us must face.

That is why you practice dying in the mind. That is why they teach to throw away everything about you. There is no point in holding onto anything about you, because like it or not, none of it will probably matter in 100 years. What better method is there to reject the ego, which was the word of Jesus as well. Jesus didn't spend his days shopping at Walmart and arguing over healthcare reform. He lived his life in a Godly way, trying his best not to attach too much to the temptations of the physical.

The helper I have worked with not only helps me to throw away my thoughts, but himself as well. He wants me to forget that I was even at the center meditating... that is the point of throwing it ALL away. All means all unless you want to find a new definition of the word ALL?

If you want to be spoon fed a nice G-rated sugar coated candy religion/spiritual practice, then yes Maum might be a bit hardcore. These people meditate all day long, they are essentially monks. And with that said, I will urge caution with Maum, as it is pretty hardcore. An hour/day is bare skin-bones minimum with these folks. I go for an hour and 1/2 per day cause I want my money's worth! But I take weekends off and watch football and go to the mall like every other American.

Just be warned that if you stick with it, they will probably try and convert you to a helper--not surprising since they are expanding fast and need all the help they can get. If you are a casual meditator or a materialist with a busy life, I suggest finding a free meetup group instead. Groups like that usually meet once a week and don't feel as "cult" like haha.

Best of luck in whatever you choose to do with your life. God Bless,
Joe in Seattle

Dear jzahn, i'm afraid that the above post is indeed accurate. You have only done level one so far, so yes, there isn't going to be much talking about the founder. In fact, any cultist elements may not be present at all. It is from level three in particular that the cultish lectures about Woo Myung truly begin to come.You've also said that your helper was very good to you. Yes, there are people in maum meditation that are wonderful people. Yet there are those who become helpers because they cannot do anything else; these people are not educated and should not be spiritual guides in any matter whatsoever. Maum Meditation's process to becoming a helper is much too relaxed.

The act of mentally killing, whether it be in good intention or not, is negative. Let's face it, a lot of the methods become extremely graphic and shocking. It is possible to discard past memories without the involvement of black holes, paper grinders etc. Maum uses these to make the process faster (as it activates the neurons faster due to the shock), but in the long-term it does not make the individual gain much wisdom. Instead, they'll just try to kill their body or their pictures or whatever, which requires tons of mental energy. It does not create stability.

Now it's true that the main message is the most important, but when you consider the fact that Maum says that their method is the only way to truth and that Woo Myung is the universe (literally), one cannot think that it is the best message to spread. The level of spirituality is not compared to other eastern religions.

Well perhaps that is its shortcomings. The training may not be sufficient for every "helper" to make everyone who walks through the door feel comfortable.
Other then that, the shock factor is fine with me. I disagree with your other concerns. I'm sorry if you don't like throwing away your human mind. Burning is not my thing but blackholes work great in my opinion.
I personally can only listen to so many pearls of wisdom before I can't help but want to get on with it. Fast processes that involve black holes works great. We live in a fast paced, stressful, negative and ultra ego centric culture. Extreme situations may require extreme methods.
I'm sorry if you exp was negative. With such little supervision, it's possible that you could get a bad dose. Try a different center perhaps?
Be well I hope u find what ur looking for ~JZ

So sad to hear you can not continue but so grateful that you are still speaking your mind... bluntly speaking I don't mean to be offensive or anything but reading some of these god awful posts leaves me thinking there is no way these people experience MM at all or they wouldn't be speaking with such ignorance. It is this kind of ignorance that cheats people out of a life changing experience. Plus anyone that's done the meditation would know that the founder is mention throughout the 7 levels. HE IS THE FOUNDER.... The only advice I can give people who are curious is read the posts of people experiences. If you pay close attention to the posts that bashes Maum; they are not really from their own experience but quick judgements made from the information they read or heard somewhere. Good luck everyone. .. Good luck Joe! I hope you can rejoin one day.
P.S. You made me speak up

Btw... what does a monk have to do with it???? Ridiculousness!!!! anonymous111444777 & 029284029l you guys have no idea what you are talking about....

I am ex member of this group. in the beginning I was impressed with this meditation, but as more you progress in maum meditation levels, more strange it gets. now I can tel how maum operates using deception, when you sign up for this meditation they don't tell you about $6000 you will have to pay for the final culmination, and 1k donation requests that the leader would remove past away relatives from purgatory. Maum meditation uses mind control techniques to operate. love bombing is one of their tactics too.

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How long does it take to pass level two? I passed level one a few weeks ago and one helper told me level two was 96 hours and yesterday another helper told me level two is 96 hours times two. Does anyone know for sure? So far Maum meditation is working pretty good for me, after reading different comments I will definitely keep an eye open... Thanks!

It is not a race. It is different for everyone. Maybe they were telling you roughly their opinion based on experience. So put it this way. 96x2= 192 hrs. So it takes between 96-192 hours for the average person according to a sampling of two helpers. :)

After many many years of soul searching(in vain), one day I happened to run into the Maum meditation teacher who was handing out the brochure. Instantly I felt connected and decided to try out. It was something I had been looking for and I found all the answers to my questions that I had in my life as I moved up to higher levels. The learning and enlightenment I experience not to mention managing stress and anxiety is out of this world (literally). I should say that it takes quite a bit of discipline. But it is part of learning and once you keep your mind open and learn to overcome the challenge, you will feel the changes being made in yourself. It only gets better and better. The method of the meditation is so innovative. It changed me. I was a very selfish, arrogant and negative but Maum meditation taught me to feel grateful for everything around me and stay humble. I am more understanding of others and more giving and helpful to others. I love the atmosphere at the centers. Not to mention all you can eat delicious Korean food, the way everyone interact with one another just going with the flow makes me wonder why would anyone not want to do Maum meditation... It is the feeling of pure peace and harmony.

Hello, I am interested in maum meditation, but Im a little bit concerned about the opinions of some people saying that at ther 4 level you must adorate Woo Myung... can you tell me something about it? have you reached any level at maum meditation?

I am actually interested in all you can eat korean food....i caught a good whif of it today...mmmm yummy

MAUM Meditation forced the high-level students to buy books written by the leader of Maum, Woo Myung so that Maum can be on the top of Amazon list.

Many happy families were separated by Maum Meditation. Even some Maum helpers pulled the children from the mother. It is terrible action of Maum Meditation, separating children from their mothers.

Before graduation, Maum students are asked to give all their money to Woo Myung. MAUM is a big SCAM, taking money from happy family to destroy families.

It's funny, when I went to the introductory lecture at my Maum meditation center yesteray I mentioned that I ordered one of Woo Myung's books to the helper there and he acted as though my buying/reading it was not necessary. And he was very non-pressuring about joining. I think there are a lot of fake posts on here, like the one above. On the Maum's literature, the also specifically say they the don't ask anyone to give up any of their material possessions or ask people to stop contact with family members for any reason. There is a monthly fee of $150 for unlimited meditation sessions and most of the centers are open 24 hours a day 7 days a week. That's an awesome deal if you ask me. The above post is BS.

Like victims of tick bites are often unaware, as the parasites inject painkilling agents to numb the bite and start sucking your blood and living on you.
Same with Maum meditation its like parasitic tick attaches to your soul, injects some happiness drug in to you, and keeps sucking until you either awaken and remove the parasite or they will finished suck on you until it take your body and soul and your life completely, and you become one of their parasitic drones looking for a prey.
Anybody who reading this PLEASE do search about their organization, read ex member’s testimonials. Ask questions, because maum meditation hiding a lot from you.
What they are hiding ? They are hiding about the last level (it has several names- level 8, or culmination level, or chamma camp, or human completion), after several years of practicing maum without this “culmination” you won't be “complete”and they will make this clear that all your years of meditating will be for nothing if you dont do this last level. They will demand high amount of money for it. They also hiding that to pass one of the levels, you will have to accept, that their leader Woo Myung is the Creator of the Universe. They are hiding about Sky fund donation requests to relieve your past away ancestors.
I am ex member of maum organization, I have been at their conferences, meetings, certainly they have dark energy circulating, its not natural, its not from Nature. Some darkness fills their minds and bodies. “Complete” maum members has no normal life, they have hard time to keep a regular conversation going other than about maum meditation, they brag a lot about how happy they are, at the conferences maum leaders tells you that they are enlightened beings. I can tell this- they have no true freedom, their freedom is in the maum cult. Maum Meditation uses mind control techniques for their own gain. If you practice maum you are being brainwashed, you won't know this, because their drug makes you feel happy, and you becoming addicted to it.
If you were or will be able to escape from maum meditation group, you will become stronger, brighter and wiser, you will understand that to be truly enlightened and live happy in peace, you don't need any artificial methods and levels.
LET LIFE FLOW THROUGH YOU, LET IT FLOW NATURALLY, YOU DON’T NEED ANY SHORTCUTS, each of us we sposed to carry our own cross without help especially from maum meditation or similar organization.

Here's an answer for you kind of cult takes people's hard earned money and turns their wife into a mindless zombie. I'll help you with the answer Maum Meditation

All I really care about is how much it costs. I'm on a budget and no matter how appealing it sounds if i can't afford it i can't afford it. None of this 'go talk to an instructor.' All I want to know is how much it costs.

The price I was quoted when I visited a center in San Jose, CA was $120-$130 bucks per month. She kept saying you would get a discount if you signed up right now or viewed some video and then signed up. I felt a bit uncomfortable because she was a bit pushy and just before I left was asking for my phone number but I said no I don't want to leave you my phone number.... I can just imagine that I would probably be barraged with phone calls to join. Seems they rip off a lot of concepts from Buddhism.

I have been practicing MM for over 2 years, I'm on level 4 currently. I have had doubts, ups and downs the whole time I been there,I walked off, quit going and had million of questions about the method or the founder, which I had the pleasure of meeting and listening to his lectures ( in korean, english spkrs had to use ear translators).The way the method works is you go step by step one level at a time and you will see the changes it creates physically and mentally, it's a totally different meditation,you can quit at any time you want. I was very lucky to end up with a helper who is very patient and kind no matter what question or comment I happen to have about the meditation or the organization. Give it a honest try, one month,the proof is In the pudding. This is not a religion or a cult, go one level at a time and you will feel the change it creates in you, I'm a much more peaceful, clear thinking, happier individual than I was 2 years ago. It's not easy bringing all those memories back good or bad and "throwing " them away, but is does something to you that I can't explain, it's something you have to find out for yourself.

You know if something is working if you see a positive change in yourself. So do you feel calmer, happier, freer? Do others feel more at ease around you? These are all things that meditation has done for me. And I like that Maum offers a simple method for releasing the mindplay. So far, it sounds great and I have yet to hear anything that reliably sounds negative. If they have built over 330 meditation centers across the world, I seriously doubt they are screwing people around. It doesn't work like that when it comes to meditation. They are obviously doing a great service. I have seen scant bad reviews. And those sound like they come from people who are pissed because they want enlightenment to be easy. It isn't. You have let go of the Self. It is the hardest thing any human can do.

we just can't pay a fee and meditate our self to enlightenment. final maum meditation culmination cost $6000 or depend what's for financial status? I just find out that's what maum is after. $1000 Sky fund donation request so that their group founder can remove your deceased family members from purgatory ?

Today was my first session can you tell me more please

I am here to help--so I am sorry if I upset some of you as that is not my intention. If you aren't ready to accept the love of Christ into your life please just ignore my post. This post is really only for those who want help. Thank you

WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND FROM MY LAST POST??? THIS IS NOT A JESUS FORUM NOR AM I THREATENED BY JESUS. THIS IS SIMPLY A MAUM FORUM FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO EXPRESS THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH MAUM (GOOD OR BAD).
ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHY I AND SO MANY OTHERS HAVE LEFT THE SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN CHURCH. ALL YOU DO IS THINK OF SAVING PEOPLE THROUGH CHRIST WHEN YOU HAVEN'T EVEN LEARNED TO SAVE YOURSELF!!! RUN FORREST RUN!!!!

Why do you feel threatened by Jesus? Jesus is the son of God!!!!!!!!!

If a person isn't happy with Maum I would like to offer an alternative. If they are happy and am happy for that person. However, I like to help people and if I can help even one person that is one more person that feels good.

Why are you so upset that I wish to share my opinion that I feel Maum is evil and a nonexistant god is created by either the leaders or of the person meditating? Again please read "The Beautiful Side of Evil"

God is a concept, just like anything else. Go beyond the mind to find the light of truth. It never existed in words. By clinging to your idea of God, you remain bound.

I noticed my response yesturday was deleted. But I will keep responding because there is only one way to heaven and that is thru Jesus and repenting our sins to God.

If you feel upset and not satisfied by Maum it is simple--Get a Bible and start reading it and pray to God--but very imprtantly pray thru Jesus Christ his only son who died on the cross and rose again for all of our sins to be forgiven. The peace you will feel is undescribable. If you can find a good Christian church it would be good for support. But again be careful not all churches teach from the Bible and about Jesus.

If you wish to talk further leave your number.

This forum is about Maum experience and not of your so-called Christian way of life thru Jesus. Jesus is a great teacher and master but this is not the place to spread your religious propaganda. Perhaps you can go to your christian experience forum and send your message over there. Thank you.

Ok. I find it quite odd after some very interesting insightful forum posts about Maum a few days ago that all of a sudden a batch of posts are coming in from what sounds like instructed people to hijack this forum and possibly cover up those previous honest posts from real awakened souls who have submitted their true life experiences within Maum.

This is yet another confirmation of what type of organization this truly is. I use to think Maum was the greatest thing since slice bread but now that what appears to be an orchestrated cover up of some hurtful truths has really uncovered the dynamics of this organization and their tactics.

Again...very odd how a batch of similar posts are coming in one right after each other all deliverying the same message. It's truly a shame this forum is being hijacked by the Maum zombies. And if it continues I will flag and possibly remove those that appear to be an insincere posting.

Did you ever think it's because people are speaking up??? I been practicing for year and love it and was never tempted to say anything until now. How can anyone bash something they no nothing about???

That is great you finished your first week in MM. I think I finished my 6th month now. So far it's all good, I definitely got a lot of positive change within me through this program and that's why I'm still doing it of course, but let me keep objective viewpoint here.
It hasn't been ALWAYS good. I went through a lot of difficulties if I could say. Headaches, feeling nauseous and sometimes even allergy. They say it happens when a lot of minds come up and it's actually a positive reaction. Indeed, those uncomfortable symptoms all disappeared as if nothing had happened. Weird. hah.
There were always some people who have been practicing a way longer than I did, who's practicing upper level than me but made me doubt about it. I understand that I shouldn't judge others but you always have this kind of expectation for the people who reached higher spiritual level. After all the things that happened to me until now, I did realize that I really shouldn't look at other people. It is all about this method Maum meditation has, and I just need to look at my own self. Because the result is so clear I can't deny it. Just as much as I throw away. Nothing more nothing less.
I was very judgmental to everything around me but now I tend to look at my own self. The way of thinking and my view point became relatively positive if I had to remind myself before I do Maum. This is my story and I would love to share it with other people. Thank you for giving us this chance to talk and share. Have a good one and good luck on your way.

I have been practicing Maum Meditation since 2010 and it was very helpful to my life.

I've been doing Maum Meditation for about 9 months and I'm about halfway through level 4 now. I've never looked back, never regretted doing even for a moment. If I have any regrets at all, it's that I didn't start sooner. That I kept putting it off for three months before I finally "found the time" to go.

From day one, it made SO much sense. Having grown up Christian, practically every Sunday morning, my mom would yank me out of bed and make me go to Church. And there, the minister always would always talk about "dying to the self." And I would always think, "What the heck is that supposed to mean?!!" How?? And then, there's of course all those phrases like, "you are your own worst enemy, how could you live with your self, you should be ashamed of your self," etc.

And so, in doing this Maum Meditation, where all I do is subtract all the junk I've accumulated (and believe me, it's ALL junk - even the good, even the bad), I've come to realize that all these pictures I've accumulated throughout my life came to define who I'd become. And as I accumulated more and more, who I'd become kept changing, and then I realized that I didn't even know who I was anymore, but I couldn't do anything about it. Come to think of it, before doing Maum Meditation, I don't think I ever really even knew who I was. And I ALWAYS felt stuck. No matter who I was dating, no matter what job I had, just STUCK in a rut.

So what a breath of fresh air to be able to discard everything finally. That someone really knows what they're talking about and not just serving me up a platter of lip service. That someone took the time to make such a simple method to accomplish this! What a priceless gift! Now, I can really die to that self. To get rid of my own worst enemy. Not have to live with my self. No longer be ashamed of my self because that self is finally gone. Heck yeah, I'm grateful!! I sleep better at night. I'm less judgmental, I complain less, I'm less irritable. WAY less chatter in my head. And this is no joke, I've been able to finally throw away my OCD (don't ask me to list them, there's too many). If someone asked me to take it all back, to go back to how I used to be? Are you kidding me?!! Not even for all of Warren Buffet's money and Madonna's fame would I want that junk back. I can't wait to finish this study. To go to the end and finally live as I was meant to live. Thank God!

This meditation is priceless. When I think about all the money I wasted on useless self-help books and clubbing and drinking and procrastinating so I would always end up paying late fees on my credit card bills that I racked up from buying so many useless self-help books and clubbing and drinking, spas and a new wardrobe everytime I felt poopy (don't want to use curse words here) the cost of doing this meditation is dirt cheap. And what you get in return is PRICELESS.

P.S.
Yes, you have ups and downs along the way, but that's what makes this meditation all the more rewarding. That each time you overcome yourself, you are THAT much MORE grateful.

I am also one of practitioners of Maum Meditation since 2010. The most fundamental reason I continue is this one really works! Maum has outstandingly different meditation method called . "Subtraction".

First I felt so privileged to realize that I am living in my own false reality instead of real world, the real universe because from time to time while I just kept on going and going in my life, I just couldn't shake off the idea "then so what?" I just couldn't give my self the reason and purpose of this life. So when I was told that world is false, I was immensely relieved!

And in terms of Subtraction, it worked in everyday in every way. There were helpers who were so dedicated to help people like me so that we can release ourselves from the stress, anxiety, worries, fear and so many others to name! All I had to do was showing up, sitting down and following the guidance and one day, coming to know there is the Universe mind within me was whole new realization on a complete different dimension! Freedom and liberation are now part of my life. I rarely get angry and even if I do, nothing to worry about because I got subtraction method to set me free from them. I am always energetic and happy. these were all possible thanks to Maum. I truly recommend this meditation method to everyone! ;)

Maum is awesome! I've beeen doing this meditation for 2 years and its been amazing! It has helped me let go of so much of heavy burden that I carried around with me at all the time. Before maum I felt like a slave to my emotions and didn't know how to let it go. Now since I have been doing this meditation I feel liberated and know that all those dark feelings of sadness that I carried around with me all these years weren't real because they never existed in my present moment. I am very grateful to have had the opportunity to do maum meditation.

This Meditation helps me to be present. I can control myself at ease. this technique is very useful I think.

I have great experiences doing Maum Meditation. Everyone has different experiences however, I am happy to share my experiences about Maum Meditation. First 1-2weeks, I felt nothing different, It seemed same things over and over, I just felt bored and tired. BUT helper said it was also progressing during meditation. So I just kept following method...And then suddenly lots of pictures from my mind came out,, They were reaaaaaaaally a lot, You never imagine that you have such like these amount of pictures in your mind from entire life. It seemed never ending to come out! But one time pictures came out and I felt really calm and lighter. It was amazing!!!! After that happened, I felt myself changed more positively.I am chemical engineer so I don't believe anything what I can't prove actually.But right now, I live more peacful and happy rather than suffering inside my mind. I will keep doing this! Thank you~

I wanna share my experience of maum meditation now.
This meditation allowed me to see things more clearly. The guidance of the helpers made a difference each day. By the time I finished the first level, I felt like weights of burden have been lifted. This is what makes this meditation different since there is a method to follow and helpers to guide you. The helpers would be there to answer any questions or assist you if you are struggling. You are not left alone in the battle because This Meditation can be used anytime, anywhere.
By using this method I was able to handle situations or look at them with more clarity. I had developed a self-awareness to eliminate my thought to live in the present. I worried less and trusted that it will be ok. When the tasks became harder at work and in school I would get the job done, if not better. The less quantity of pictures I had in my mind the better quality in life I would see. This is only the beginning of my journey for I am in level four now. As much as I can explain my own experience it is something you need to experience for yourself in order to understand, for it is within all of us. By taking this opportunity I know now I am on the right path in search for my answers. I have found serenity in my life thanks to Maum Meditation.

I met maum meditation a year and half ago. I'm living in New York. New York City is always busy, have no fun.. My life has been boring and had no life..
I found the brochure in one of Chinese restaurant (I love Chinese food..!!) and called to local center in Manhattan which is near by Empire state building.
When my day off, I visited the center and I really liked the main concept! Actually, I haven't experienced any meditation yet in my life, but this program seemed simple!
I gave myself a try for a month, and since I started maum meditation, I could find what was my problem of life, and best thing about maum meditation is the face that I am able to subtract those false minds.
I couldn't imagine how could we get rid of our stress, sadness, loneliness that always have been with me. But I could see my change within a week! I could feel that my mind is being emptied as I practice more, and the method was pretty easy. Now, I'm in high level of this meditation center(cause I have been practicing this pretty long!),
my daily life is full of excitement because I subtracted all my negative mind, sadness, anger, obsession! I'm now living with full of energy, and happiness!
Taking a class in maum meditation center has been my part of life.
Still I'm planning to go to the center after my work today. I can't wait!!
I am a huge fan of maum meditation!! I love it!

Hi, I have been doing Maum Meditaion for 2 months. To be honest, it is sometime a little hard for me. But I am really thinking that I need it. So I am trying to go to maum meditation center everyday even I am pretty busy. I feel some difference after I started this meditation.

Hi, I have been practicing Maum Meditation for 5 months now, this is amazing!
I had a lot of struggles in my life, and had no answer of my life. As you know, people seem okay, but their insides are not really okay. That was me.. One day, I found the brochure, and
call to my local center, and they treated me very nicely. I visit my local center, and signed up.
They have set up schedules like 9:30am to 11pm. There were 2 instructors and they all worked very hard. They really welcomed me, and gave me a guided meditation with other people. and It was very impressive. The simple concept was just letting everything go all things in my head, and it really worked for me. I couldn't help going to center everyday after work, It became my part of schedule just like people go to fitness center for excercise. Maum Meditation is just like that for me, I just couldn't skip even one day.
As I attend more class, I could let my stress mind which makes me anxious, angry, sad, unhappy.. go totally! Now, I have been practicing this program, and last week I took my girl friend to the center, and finally she signed up! Awesome!! and the reason why she signed up she could see my huge change. She said that I'm always laughing, tolerating, lovely..
But I wasn't.. before maum meditation.
I really appreciate to maum meditation, this is amazing program, and saved my life!
Please give your self a try, you will never regret! It's life-changing meditation.

Hi. Congratulations you've finished your first week. :)
I stared Maum meditation a year ago....almost. I took a break once, but I'm still doing it because it feels so right.
I had tried many different types of meditation, yoga...I wanted to find the internal peace, my mind seemed like it's always out of space for there are so much thoughts.
All those thoughts really, even when I was on my vacation, away from my place, job, people, I still couldn't find the rest I desperately needed.
I still remember the day I found about this meditation. I picked up a pamphlet of Maum and booked for the introductory seminar.
This method they told me seemed very unique. I never heard of such way. Cleansing, subtracting. It wasn't about "stress management" but you actually get rid of the roof of the stress.
I had a hard time at first because I constantly tried to compare this to all the spiritual activities I had done before. So it might took longer then others for me, but yes, it worked. That's why I'm still doing it after all these times. Every each time after I finished the meditation session, at least for the moment, it is so clear that I'm not the existence that has to be trapped in this self-made shell, but I'm one with the world. It is just amazing.
I want to finish this meditation until the end, and there might be some struggling you have to go through, but as the one who passed those steps a bit earlier than you, listen to me, that this method eventually works.
This is one priceless experience you can ever have.

hello, I have been a student for 8 months at maum meditation and I would have to say their just like everyone else in this world underneath it all. All this technigue does is learn to accept your past and emotions and learning how to tap into your energy source whenever. Its a ok technique but I can have more things happen in my life by believing buddhas way and just wanting to communicate with people than going to this place day after day. They talk a good talk and try to make you feel brain washed. I would over hear the higher up teachers talking about me in a bad manner to people that were on level 2-3-4 and so on when if your a true meditator and so called enlightened then you know better than to tell other people others business. So people would even critize me when they think I wasnt smart enough to know. They think this is the only way, PLEASE. Dont let them fool you just be yourself and learn to accept on your on time and path. They are hippocrates and so are their books. All this is the chakras broken down, and they wont tell you anything like that. If you question their ways or have intense questions they cant answer they will tell you u have to many illusions and your not at the universal mind yet so you dont understand. Its a business so their only taught a certain amount of things and will only tell you a certain amount of things. They do everything else anybody elso does drink, listen to wild music, research information, talk about others, still get upset, have their good and bad days, judgmental, why because their human. They put their selfs on a pedal stool and claim they have the universe mind which is egotistical. True people know everyday is a new day to find enlightment its never ending so your never truely enlightened till the end of life. You can learn to not take thing personal and accept and love all but enlightment no. Jesus and Buddhas ways are much better b/c their a wholesome belief and maum is a divided individual belief. If you catch on to quickly of their ways they will try to put you down so they can seem like their teaching you through life, Im sorry but I teach myself and other teach theirself. They dont have the science behind it and knowledge of words to describe to help you. All they have is a technique, their books, and the information they are supposed to tell you. This technique helps individally day to day feeling but not wholesomely feeling for life. You do this so much it kinda back fires on you. It makes you think everything you do is bad and wrong when the teachers are doing this same things behind the sceen. Learning the technique will help for your self to improve your life but going to the meditation center every day and listening to these people wont. Thats all I have to say, not all thoughts are bad and need to get rid off happiness is bliss.

You have a lot of assumptions about how "enlightened" people are supposed to behave. Even when a being has seen, knows, is the truth, they are still functioning in a human body. They still look like everyone else. Still behave as most people behave. It seems that you are getting too caught up in the intellectual aspects, which goes completely against what meditation brings as an experience. Maybe you should have a deeper look instead of relying on your mind for truth. The mind will lead you astray every time.

Hello,
I want to share my experience of Maum.
At first it was great. I guess. I thought I was lost and I needed to add a spiritual touch to my life.
I tried different churches, reading and meditation.
Churches didn't work and the meditation I was doing was expensive.
One day I saw the Maum flyer and my boyfrIend and I tried it.
Great price that included food and meditation.
It reminded me of Scientology but affordable.
It was a method that helped to eliminate passed experiences that are not always good.
At the time, I was happy. I even brought my daughter in to it.
The whole family was a part of it.
As you go up the levels, they begin to be more open to you.
They truly believe that Maum is the only way and all else is nothing.
Belief that you become a saint better than Jesus. Better than anyone else
and their teacher is the only savior.
Nothing unique all religions believe the same.
They believe they are equal and truly believe it because they have universe mind.
All others that have not obtained universe mind are a piece of meat and have too much mind.
I stayed at the local center to level 4 and I wanted to be better, be what they were selling.
Level 4 was very difficult many thought and patterns were coming up.
Racism, anger, any many more.
I was not able to cope easy due to my passed experiences.
It became too much and decided to go to the main center to hurry the process
And be happy.
When I arrived it was a whole new world.
By now it was easier to accept. I was spending about 600usd a month.
They put me to do action meditation which is hard work and about 5 hrs of meditation.
Action meditation is hard work. Farm work, cleaning bathrooms, floors, laundry, cooking.
The entire main center is maintained by the students because we are a piece of meat
That is worth less than ****. This is a quote by a helper.
We need to eliminate this in order to have universe mind.
It was hard enough to be able to deal with my passed experiences and all
this hard work made it more difficult.
They recommended me to go to a lower level because I stil have too much mind.
I hated the fact that I could not remove my traumas and had to go back to level one.
There should be one method that works for all. That was fine. I decided to go
Back to level one but after 3 weeks of level one I still was not progressing.
When level one takes only one week. I talked to the helpers and they all give you
Different opinions. Higher helpers say keep going others said no stay until you
remove your mind. I think It's like brain washing.
One night I wasn't able to meditate and asked god for help. For a sign because
I started having this feeling o doubt. It was too much.
I decided to come home and continue meditating with my family but
When I left the main center. I stayed at the local center close to the airport.
I had a day to see Seoul. The main helpers from my local center was in Korea.
He found out and wanted to see me before I left to try and convince me
Not to return. To take a few days and not to return. He said that I was the hope
Of the local center. If I stayed and finished others would follow and I was his hope.
I did not want to return to the main center because I knew it wasn't going to be
Fast. To go through that hell I would prefer to take longer at the local center.
We spent the whole day together. He had to run errands and in between we had food
And alcohol.
We walked and saw tourist places. By night we had dinner and more alcohol.
My boyfriend kept calling to make sure I was ok. He would have to change my
Ticket if anything but I was decided.
He continue to look for places where we could keep drinking and have fun.
We got into one but I remember him saying we are going to keep this in secret
This is going to be our secret.
I thought it would be fun with my role model. I wasn't thinking anything else.
Things went to far way too far. He was just another ordinary human no different
Than me.
All the drinking and all the fun ended in bed, In a motel. A place that provides
Condoms to their guests but we were too drunk to use them.
The next day when we woke up and I asked him what are we going to tell
The woman that you live with, another helper that runs the center and to my boyfriend.
He said : nothing, they don't need to know everything.
I said my boyfriend is going to ask me a lot of question and I don't know how to lie.
We also had an agreement that if this happened we would tell each other.
His answer was: you don't have to ruin your life just throw everything in the black
Hole. That's it the whole thing like nothing happened. I said really just like that.
That simple. He said yes that simple.
I replied ok, I'll try. He thought I would stay. After that night there was no way
I was going to stay. What the hell is all this. Who am I following.
How can a person with 13 years in Maum with such a high status in Maum do this.
I am trying to be better and this is not what I wanted to become.
Is this what god wants us to do. Do whatever we want as long as we can erase it.
I was a ***** and just needed to erase it ever happened.
I went home after this night and could not hold it in nor get rid of the memory.
I told my boyfriend what happened and it helped us to be honest but nothing is the
Same anymore. I fell and destroyed my family and lost the place where I
Was meditating. Now I know that I was being brain washed but at the time.
I lost my salvation. The place where I shared. They all seem very nice. I gave
My soul to this place.
I gave the money and helped to make sure the center was doing well.
We gave our lives and I am pissed I ate their ****.
I did not make the first move I did not push it to that point but I did not say no.
He felt my heart at one point and asked me what was wrong.
I told him I was afraid of people. He continued.
I have lived through this before. You freeze.
I reached level 4 I don't feel anything different. To the point of sleeping
With this f'ing guy. We don't even like each other in this way.
I'm not telling you to go or not go just be very aware. You will have a mind.
You will continue to have addictions. Because I continued to see them in them.
Universe mind and all. You will create more traumas. Don't buy the story
That you change human mind to universe mind. They don't want you to be
A slave to your human mind but you end up being a slave to universe mind.
You become a slave to them.

I am a practicing Buddhist and some of what MM supposedly offers is also part of Buddhist belief and practice.

However the first warning sign of this group is that they want you to pay for their services/guidance.

In Buddhism, spiritual teachings and guidance are offered for free--as the Buddha said they should be--although "dana" (donations) to the teacher are appreciated. The reason for the dana is that oftentimes the only/main livelihood of teachers is offering the teachings. In appreciation of such dedication and focus, donations are offered but not expected. The amount of dana/donation depends only on you.

The part about the 8 levels to attain The Truth also seems odd and reminds me of Scientology. It seems that dividing the MM teachings into 8 modules reinforces the negative thought patterns that MM says it wants to free you from. In Buddhism, the common analogy is that practice and the beliefs are like a stream of water; there are no levels. Enter at any point. Re-entry is always possible. Ultimately, it all flows together.

Also, who decided that this guy actually attained Enlightenment? In Buddhism, most teachers are recognized by other teachers who are/were involved with the student's practice. And no one states, "I've reached Enlightenment." It's like bragging in a way. And I believe that if you have to say you're Enlighted, then you're probably not.

Finally, the non-profit organization status works this way in the USA. Organizations are designated non-profit by the IRS. They can make profit, but this money has to go back into the organization itself and the services it provides. Excessive profit cannot be turned over to an individual. The true test of an effective non-profit organization is looking at their monthly and annual financial statements. Where does all this money go? How much goes back into services? Are they paying a lot for "administration" (which could include payments made to the leader) of the organization?

I've been meditating for a few years and I can tell you house rent and food has a price and most of the time centers need the help of other centers which have enough students
I thought same as you at first but when you come to take part to everyday life you realise things are no that simple rent taxes food every day expenses
goes very fast and if there is any income it is only used to open new center to give the opportunity to people to meditate and get rid of their mind
I have been praticing buddhism also and I am sure you know sleeping and food are not free, if you go to a meditation retreat you have to participate to daily tasks as volunteer and pay for your stay and for the coming of a meditation teacher that's just normal nothing is free

about enlightenment, what you say is right, there is no self which reach enlightenment cause enlightenement is the state of no self but still someone who makes people able to be awaken this state of no self can be called a true enlightened person a buddha. I've seen enlightened masters and practiced intense meditation for years but only through this practice could I really realise the universe is within me, which means the world is one when my self is not there, the method of MM is very different, most of meditation practice involve only looking at your thoughts concentration or breathe like mindfulness or vipassana,
the method of MM is more close to high practices of Vajrayana
but it is accessible to anyone even children can awaken to the true nature of the mind.
Which is truly wonderful!
I wish you and everyone to reach this true state of being

Thank You

There is nothing wrong with paying for a service, even a meditation service. People that help others, even through meditation, have to make a living to survive. I am not sure why people always think that those helping others via spirituality venue should starve themselves. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Sure there is nothing wrong to pay for a services, but Please tell me why maum helpers do not tell people WHEN THEY START what after level 4 you have to "donate" "Sky Funds" to allow your ancestors to go to heaven from purgatory, about 1K USD. Really money will take then to heaven?
And After level 7 they will ask you to pay large amount of money, around $6000, or more depends on your financial status?
WHY IS THIS INFO HIDDEN??

Hello all, <br />
I've posted nicely about maum in this thread in the past and I am now deleting my old post and re-posting. I went almost to the end of level 3.<br />
I don't want to go in detail because it was bad what my wife and i had to go through. It is worse than you can imagine. <br />
We went for help and we were taken advantage of. I am embarrassed to even say it but I also feel guilty that I spoke so nicely and with such passion of maum meditation. <br />
There might be something there with regards to the meditation method but our helper. A helper high in the organization did not help, he was horrible unethically. I am sorry to have ever taken my wife there. It was too high a price to pay. <br />
It did not destroy us either. They are not ethical at all. And their ability to just remove mind makes them think they can do anything and all they have to do is delete it and it's all fine. <br />
That is not the place I would encourage anyone to seek. <br />
The price is too high for the rewards. <br />
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I am a person that fully trust until I see something wrong. I am beginning to change this point of view and I hate it. <br />
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Hope this helps

I feel really sorry that you met this kind of person, I'm doing this meditation and I know I don't trust many people and I feel sorry that the helper you met was not someone of trust, I can tell you I met good and bad helpers also, but the only thing I came to know is I trust what I realised in my mind, the master of this meditation is too much accepting and give a chance to anyone even people who makes mistakes, still he is the only one i really trust until now because he showed me what is true mind and this true mind is so different than my old mind I can not compare, I can tell you it is not easy to keep doing meditation, because of the things we face inside and outside many obstacles but I hope you can make the conditions to find a good center with a helper of trust that will lead you to freedom inside of you
I truly hope this for you
again I am so sorry that you faced such foolish person
this is not the real face of maum meditation
he does not deserves his place
I wish you and your wife to be good and happy

Actually it doesn't help. You have said nothing here. Provide some details please.

I have meditated about 30 lifecycles and learned so much. It is so important to be able to work against the mind and be in control of it. I cant wait to get to level 2. I wish we could all understand how our sufferings are so much within our own minds than in reality. I realize so many of my illusions and selfishness when I thought that I was the victim.

Please don't destroy my soul, i promise ill behave, please don't give me the cleanse of death. i would still like to have my opinions and my mind. i'll learn to accept everything without the meditation, ill even accept putting microchips in my arm, and give up my rebel mind, and be a sheep blindly follow the shepherd. please spare my soul, it has never done anything wrong to be destroyed.

LOL! ROFL! Give me a break! Lots of fake posts on this site. Lots of shills against Maum Meditation for whatever reason. My guess is that their egos were too strong for Maum and they ran away crying like infants in the light of truth. Their egos could not face truth. It means death to the ego which is why so many cannot complete the levels. It is very difficult. There is no shame in not moving forward. The shame comes only from one's dishonesty with oneself about it.

Maum Meditation is a Korean style through and through with their cultural background. <br />
However, it does work to some degree. Maum meditation method or technique is not their patent that they claim to be. In fact, many sects of Buddhists and Taoist uses this kind of technique very often, which is self-elimination that they believe too much of me is the problem and causes self-inflicted suffering which is true. <br />
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My experience with Maum Meditation was a positive one. I have finished all levels and more, I then discovered Maum Meditation is not fully scientific. They will simply put into matters of Heaven or mysticism when they cannot answer questions, or simply knock you down with saying 'you still have too many minds to eliminate!'. <br />
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Maum meditation lacks the scientific connection that they need to answer for modern people. They will have more people willing to try if they can provide a scientific way to explain why they need to do this maum meditation. Of course, they cannot, because at the end all is in the mysterious way of God who is their teacher. <br />
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I paid my Sky money well over $1000 last year, believing their God, Woo Myung will free all my ancestors to return to heaven so it will help my path. Now I know better that was the false claim. I decided treat that as a wilful donation to help their way.<br />
Maum meditation should not ask the donation for the Sky money which is freeing one's ancestors from hell, Just ask donation I would have given.<br />
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A message to the people who are wondering about Maum Meditation, I will highly recommend that you should try. It will change your life for better or worse. It will give you the true, the reality about you in this world. <br />
You go right ahead into their way fully trusting, give everything you got until you have awakened or so-called enlightenment. However, always remember to have open mind learn to listen other ways and world. Maum meditation is not the only way.<br />
I ask you to leave Maum when you are awakened after level 9 whatever, do not stay and tied down by emotional attachments with them. Enlightenment means freedom. Free yourself.

Hello. I am a Buddhist. I am interested to learn more about Maum Meditation, but am a little freaked out about the claims of it being affiliated with a cult. I myself have experience in meditation, but would not call myself an expert; even though I have reached great heights in meditation. I am simply still a novice and am looking for a promising meditation practice. I have a few questions for the people who experience enlightenment or believe they have experienced enlightenment. How does it feel? Is it a feeling that is new to you? A feeling you have never ever experienced in your whole entire life before? And is that feeling unexplainable; that you can not possibly describe it to someone who has never felt that way before? Sort of like telling how sex feels like to a virgin, but way more complicated. The Buddha also had his moments of hard times finding words when he explained his teachings to his disciples for the same reason; that his disciples lacked the experience to understand. I only ask this because that is what I have previously experienced or believed to have experienced. What I did was meditate on mudita, which is a Pali word which means sympathetic joy. Mudita is ba<x>sed on being gladly excited for the success of others. The success of positive and non negative things that is. I tell no lie when I type this. After a few moments of meditation on contemplating and emotionally feeling mindful on being gladly excited for my own joy and the joy of others, I reached a great height of all sort of positive mixed feelings. This synergy of feelings included peace, love, happiness, joy, and other new never before personally experienced feelings. These feelings were above and beyond any innate feelings I ever had; as if they were developed from my meditation. Of course, as a Buddhist, I dedicated this moment to the benefit of all things, not just living, but to all things of existent and non existent. When I got up from my meditation and walked around, people looked at me as if they saw Jesus for the first time. I kid you not. I was even told that they could see an orange aura around my head. This new feeling of mine was evidently touching the others around me. As if they felt this feeling too. The feeling more than brightened up the room. I can say that it was a holy moment. Unfortunately this feeling only lasted for about an hour long. But the good news is that I have reached this feeling a total of four times thru meditation. This feeling would last for about an hour long each time. Maum meditation claims to have permanent effects. If that is true that would be more than great and exactly what I am looking for. Oh, and if Maum meditation is not for you than what would you recommend. Thank You.

I am new to Maum meditation. So far I have 50 hours of meditation time. My history of meditation is short. Being a type A personality my mind goes non-stop. This type of meditation works for me because it's active. I am asked to "throw away pictures". And I have reels and reels of tapes to throw away. <br />
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I have noticed that when the same picture comes up over and over, the emotional attachment seems to be less and less. I also notice that actions of family members don't set me off. I'm calmer than I have ever been. <br />
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I see pictures from different points of view. That helps me to be more mindful of others point of view. It has helped me to be more forgiving of past negative actions of family members and of myself.<br />
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Is this a cult?? So far, for me, it doesn't feel like one. I spent 15 years in Korean Karate (Tae kwon Do), so I sort of understand the Korean way of thinking. I spent lots of money learning the art and also paying each time I took a belt test and paid even more for my black belts. <br />
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Then I spend 2 years leaning Hawaiian Lomi Lomi massage. Apprenticing under a Hawaiian master. Many times I was asked to clean the lua, sweep floors, etc. That was part of learning. Wow, maybe it was a cult. But that cult has helped me build a thriving massage practice for the last 25 years. And my clients are noticing a positive difference in my work. (No, I haven't told them about Maum meditation)<br />
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This being said, I understand what Maum meditation is all about. I am learning how to take control of my mind. And I am willing to spend the time and money for the freedom and peace I am starting to see. <br />
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I have never been asked to purchase books. In fact, the helpers have given me books at no charge. Also, there are only 3 books to purchase. Look at how many books Wayne Dyer has out.<br />
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The cost of our center is $200 per month. I say, what a deal!! If I went to a therapist it would cost me $120 per session....and they don't feed you! So, I can go as much as I want and get 2 meals a day of fantastic food. <br />
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I have spent thousand of dollars on therapies, workshops, and books. Maum meditation, by far, has helped me become more peaceful in only 50 hours of meditation. <br />
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The close friend who know that I'm doing Maum meditation are keeping a keen eye of me. If they see me giving away my Acura and carrying my table to clients, they will do an intervention. HA<br />
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So, you can read all the reviews, or you can make your own judgement by trying the work for yourself. You are the only one who can feel in your heart and soul if Maum meditation is your path.<br />
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P.S. I haven't heard anything about the $1000 thing. I will wait until it happens. I don't have an opinion about the money. But, it would be a tax deduction..... Aloha

I find it interesting that one's interpretation of a cult sounds similar to mainstream organized religion. But who am I to judge right and wrong. If the practice resonates within you then you know you're in the right place. If not, then investigate further or quit all together.

this mediation is some straight bullsh*t. i ain't feeling it at all. not everyone is after the same bullsh*t you and your corporation is after. stop f*cking with my mind. it was probably some idiot messing around with his head and f*cked up and find a way to adjust around his mistake and calling this, "the method towards completion." and for that nature response i seen. what you just explained about feeding the plant is not "tampering with mother nature," its called giving it what it needs. answer this guys. what would you rather eat, organic fruits and vegetables, or fruits and vegetables pumped with chemicals and "altered?" All i know is if anything is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, it's usually TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. so i hope you stay organic folks, and don't let this corporation fool you with all their flooded online sites and positive feedback.

WOW!! this is so crazy! you guys are paying someone to erase your mind and follow someone elses manusc<x>ript. BEAUTIFUL

WOW!! this is so crazy! you guys are paying someone to erase your mind and follow someone elses manusc<x>ript. BEAUTIFUL

WOW!! this is so crazy! you guys are paying someone to erase your mind and follow someone elses manusc<x>ript. BEAUTIFUL

hi All<br />
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i've just been introduced to Maum meditation today by a Korean guy who works at Maum meditation centre. He brought me to meet a helper of a presumably higher level, a middle-aged Korean woman. She spent a couple of hours talking to me and i started to feel weird when she put on the 'hard sell' when it seemed like i wasn't buying 'it'. She misread me as i felt the philosophy behind the system made sense to me [well, she didn't claim to be psychic].<br />
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I've done the 'searching-for-a-spiritual-meaning' thing before and am familiar with the 'this is the one true path' spiel. With regards to matters of spirituality, I don't believe in the one-size-fits-all philosophy. She then proceeded to tell me how my life is an illusion and how i'm judgmental. In all fairness, it wasn't directed completely at me but it felt like it as she was trying to figure me out. I gave her few clues as to what my life is like. <br />
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Before the speech, we were just chatting and she declared that the locals are just plain lazy. Fair enough but i don't expect such statements from a non-judgmental person.<br />
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Before i went to the centre, the Korean guy and i had lunch and he said that homosexuals freak him out and he went about talking about his encounter with a gay man. Granted, there are cultural differences and the fact that he was away from the centre and his guard was down but i expect a different mind set from people who are working towards spiritual truth. And these are people who are placed quite high up in the organisation ... this in no way diminishes the meditation practice ... but it's like seeing a pudgy trainer at a gym. Makes me wonder about the gym.<br />
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So here i am on the net, searching for more info about Maum when i stumbled upon this site. Very informative indeed. So there's a hell in this belief system?

When I began Maum meditation my life opened up. Whoever says this place is a cult is too closed minded... Ive been practicing for 2 years now and will be goin to Korea for 2 months at the main center. this meditation is simply amazing and those that pass first level will notice this. There is so much more to life than we know of. My relationships have improved my stress levels have also improved greatly.. Another member of the center I attend had kidney problems erased and one of the guides had throat cancer treated with nothing other than meditation. Amazing.

I would like to know whether those who do Maum Mediation believe this is the only way to enlightenment? What about other types of meditations? and How do you feel about Buddha and the Dalai Lama? Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this

maum meditation is like tampering with mother nature.

I have just been kicked out of the meditation center because I was asking too many questions, and she told me a new level just came out and that no one is complete yet. I was wondering why is someone who is "uncomplete," guiding me to something she doesn't even understand yet. She said that she thought I was determine and "this place is not a shelter for me," whatever that means. But she can't even explain it she just says I have to do it and see for myself. I have a few personal experiences that I can put into words myself. This is so werid.

Bullcr__!

Love the interaction here on this forum. I started Maum meditation yesterday and did not manage to make it for my session today-well actually after yesterday's session I felt off about the whole thing. I just dont think that there is one way to the Truth it really is an individual thing. My feeling is that the way to the Truth is simple and does not need hours of mental effort which I felt is like what the 'helper' was trying to make me do. I must admit a bit weired in terms of even the welcoming hospitality.....I will only continue for the month that I have paid for and to experience the benefits that are purported but after than I will opt to go back to basic meditation- joyfully!!

What I understood, Maum meditation has 7 levels of subtraction:<br />
Level 1 - Subtracting the remembered thoughts<br />
Level 2 – Subtracting the images of myself, images of my human relationships and myself<br />
Level 3 – Subtracting my body<br />
Level 4 – Subtracting my body and the Universe<br />
Level 5 – Subtracting my body and the Universe<br />
Level 6 – The self disappears by subtraction and I become the universe<br />
Level 7 – Subtracting the illusionary world of pictures and myself living in that world<br />
The goal at the end of completely subtracting every la<x>yer of the mind is to reach the Truth. <br />
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I supposed through practice, our mind can achieve the above, but in reality, I still cannot subtract the debts I owe to the bank. It is not just a picture. It cannot just disappear. It is not my universe but It is my responsibility. It is not just a la<x>yer of my mind but the truth. I cannot "Subtracting the remembered thoughts" or my payment will be over due.<br />
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Sorry, I am just being brutally honest here.

How does this comment provide any value?

Where in the Maum Meditation philosophy it states that it will help you to "subtract debts to the bank"?

The author has not experienced maum, yet can't see how it can help them with their unrealistic expectation, but fortunately, they have taken the time to apologize for their "brutal honesty"... what?

The concept that anyone can use meditation to remove things like debt from their life is so unreasonable and silly, that it seems the only person that you would need to use this type of logic with would be a child.

@BayleighGirl, I havn't heard of such fee. I achieved up to level 3 and my personal friends where beyond level 4 and did not mention this either. But I am concerned with all those who have such negative emotions tied to paying the center the fee for using the facilities and the helpers. When you think about it; if you go to the center 4-5 days a week and sit with the helpers who are trained to help you achieve spiritual enlightenment, is such a small token amount compared to going to some US trained western psychiatrist who only adds more garbage and delusions to your mind. Not only the time you spend with these helpers is priceless but also consider the food they offer practitioners as well as the water & power that you consume at their facilities. Remember, you always find what your are seeking. And if you are seeking a way out or to justify not paying your dues, then thats what one finds.

Oh wow. .. so u joined and now at a higher level... congrats. .. I'm from Houston Maum center and I Luv the helpers for putting so much effort in mentoring us from 10 am to 11 PM without complaints 7 days week. My main mentor is an engineer and works his day job to pay for the center. So I really don't know what this talk about money is about.

Please tell me why maum helpers do not tell people when they start what after level 4 you have to "donate" "Sky Funds" to allow your ancestors to go to heaven from purgatory, about 1K USD. Really money will take then to heaven?
And After level 7 they will ask you to pay large amount of money, around $6000, or more depends on your financial status?

Can someone please clarify whether the $1,000 they ask for around stage 3 or 4 is a requirement in order to proceed further? And what happens if the practitioner does not pay this amount for whatever reason?<br />
Thank you.

Hello BaleighGirl, this is an option that is usually simply explained during the course of those levels. It is absolutely not a requirement. Thank you!

I have attended on and off for about a month, so my experience is limited. I have done a lot of research and have found there isn't much on Maum out there that really tells you what it is, I’ll do my best to explain it.<br />
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I'll say that the comments about it being a cult, I doubt it. Is the devotion to their leader a bit odd? To those of us not used to this sort of thing, yeah, it's weird, but I contribute this more to the Asian culture and their devotion to their spiritual leaders, and Korean's can be at times more so than other Asian cultures. <br />
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I also think that there is plenty lost in translation, words like "Truth" and "Leader" are really "Reality" and "Founder". Take it how you want, but I think we as Americans who speak English can be a little too critical too quickly, ask questions and listen. I also have a history working with Koreans and so the accent was easier for me to get past then I assume for others maybe.<br />
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I tried to look for information on Myung Woo, the founder and didn't find anything, but kind of didn't expect to since so many responses were in Korean and the name may be a very common name; I don't know. I don't know anything about his background, education, etc...<br />
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I looked up his award of the Ghandi Peace Award and his designation of a UN peace ambassador. The awards really aren't what most would believe if they read this on the surface and didn't look into it more deeply. Look into the organization that gave him the award and decide for yourself.<br />
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As far as the actual center, the $150 fee... that's what they charge. Yes they are a non-profit, but how much money they make or don't make really isn't any of my concern or business, it's theirs. If they are in fact not an actual non-profit and they are buying land in California to grow almonds (as someone before me asserted), so what, they told me the fee, I paid and I show up and get my services... If I have a challenge with their fee, its because I feel they didn’t give me my moneys worth, not whether or not they are a non-profit.<br />
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As far as the actual meditation, I struggled. I had a hard time bringing images up and then became frustrated when I couldn't make it work for myself. I have experienced both good and frustrating sessions and I have to say, the frustrating sessions have taught me something about myself. Something I am working on while I get ready to try Maum again shortly. <br />
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Overall the sessions have given me a perspective I have never experienced before. I can describe it really only as a calm confidence, a relaxed knowing, a connection to something real and deeper than my own consciousness. I know, it sounds heavy but that's what it was. It was profound to say the least. The feeling has faded of course, but with my limited exposure I didn’t expect anything more, but I am more than encouraged to get myself to a place when I can try again.<br />
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I have a lot going on in my life at the moment, and it has been extremely stressful and left me feeling as though in my life I need to make some decisions about where I am going. I'll be going back to Maum once I do some internal work. I'll say I am not like most others in this regard in that I need to approach this differently. Personal beliefs play into this a lot, or do for me at least.<br />
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I have gotten a few phone calls from the center, but I would have expected to. Since my time there has been on and off, they have reached out to touch ba<x>se and encourage me to come back. They were polite, called 2 times total over a period of 2 weeks and were not pushy at all. I do expect them to encourage me visit the center, its what they do, just like any other business would encourage you to "come again". They also know this is difficult and that people stop too early maybe at the first sign of success or failure. <br />
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One of the helpers asked me one night why people who say they are happier because of the meditation stop coming. I thought about it for a bit and have come up with a few possible reasons:<br />
- They have gotten as far as they want, feel good and get wrapped up in life and get too busy to keep it up, and like the gym, it gets dropped since it is a commitment to time.<br />
- Change is scary, and as much as we would all like to be able to accept change, we don't always know how to keep going after something you really want for the fear or failing, or whatever, even if the change is good and something we really want... maybe even more so! <br />
- It's ok to be skeptical, it's not ok to be cynical. If you don't believe this will work for you and you are convinced this is a scam, cult, hoax, etc... you shouldn't do this. You shouldn't do anything that feels that way to you because it has little to no chance of working if you don't believe it will. <br />
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With all of that, yes, as I said I'll be going back soon to try again. The meditation for me was challenging because I am not used to letting things happen, I am used to making things happen. This is a change for me as I imagine it probably if for many other too. You have to let meditation work for you. You have to work with it and it can take some time, be patient, laugh a lot when you get frustrated, take a new approach and keep going.<br />
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I also know that I don't have to believe in / engage in every aspect of this to get what I need from it. This, like everything else is not black and white. There are parts to Maum that is great, and parts I don’t understand. Things will probably make sense over time, and if they don’t, no problem. I know I’ll still get the value from certain aspects.<br />
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After having a few conversations with various helpers, but mainly one very helpful helper, it seems like I understand at a high level, maybe a bit more than I did when I started. As I said before, I think the words “Truth” and “Leader” are actually “Reality” and “Founder”.<br />
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From the time we are young, we learn to store our memories using pictures and emotions. It is these pictures and emotions that make up our perceptions and our beliefs about ourselves and the world. Maum claims these pictures are false and they keep you from living in the “Truth (Reality)” because our memories are skewed by our beliefs and perceptions, our own self-image. Our memories are skewed ba<x>sed upon a false reality or what we believe our memories to be, when in reality, we may experience the world inaccurately because we have inaccurate beliefs about ourselves and the world. <br />
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We’ve all heard the term “living in your head”, well, it is exactly this that Maum says keep us from living in reality. It is also keeps us from being happy and living in the now, in the moment. They also state that our memories of the past don’t serve you in any positive way as they are the past and the more we live in the past, the harder it is to live in the now and experience happiness.<br />
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**Now some of this going forward is what I have extrapolated from where this goes ba<x>sed upon what I have experienced with the actual meditation techniques, coupled with what I have learned from reading books on how the sub-conscious mind works as well as authors such as Jack Canfield and others starting about 15 years back. I don’t claim to be an expert, just offering an opinion.<br />
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Our subconscious minds don’t know reality from non-reality and so when we play these scenes from our memory over and over again, in our subconscious minds, we are having the experience again, reinforcing whatever effect that memory and the associated feelings are having on you. The effect is a continued development in the beliefs you hold. If those beliefs are negative, and I think it is human tendency to punish ourselves at times with those bad memories, then we are reinforcing and developing negative and harmful beliefs. If you have read Jack Canfield or others like him, you may have heard him refer to negative beliefs as false beliefs as we rarely see ourselves for who we really are because of our false beliefs. <br />
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With Maum, you learn to remove the pictures and with the pictures, go the emotions associated with them. They say you need to see the picture be removed 40-60 times before it is gone. This what the meditation is for, it allows you to envision those memories and then remove them. With this repetition, you are potentially affecting your subconscious mind telling it the picture doesn’t exist. So if your subconscious thinks those pictures don’t exist and the emotions associated with them don’t surface without the pictures, your mind is empty, free and clear to experience life in the here and now.<br />
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In Maum, they don’t seem to make a lot of mention of religion. In the little it has been discussed, whatever the personal beliefs of the practitioner is is not a topic, God, Allah, Buddha, etc... are all non-challenging to Maum. Maum believes in the Universe and that we will all return to the Universe after our deaths. If we return without emptying our minds, then we will experience Hell. However, if we throw away our false minds while living on earth, we will experience true happiness and when our bodies die, we will make the transition easily as we are already happy and more connected to the Universe. <br />
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Now, the Universe could be what I assume it is and simply be a way for them to allow you to apply your own spirituality to the level you choose, but it isn’t difficult for non-religious individuals to apply there own beliefs to their own level of comfort, making it non-threatening and non-challenging to individually held religious beliefs. I think it is easy for everyone to understand the Universe to the level it is presented. <br />
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For me, I am ok with this and don’t feel challenged by it in any way. The Universe has become somewhat of a catch-all term for spiritual belief. <br />
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All in all, I think Maum has value, but I fear that the delivery is causing it to suffer from getting more attention. The people at the centers are very nice, polite and helpful. The are actually referred to as helpers as others have said. They are there to guide you through the process and help you meditate. They can come off as a bit fanatical and this turns people off. The centers also are located with neighborhoods in houses. They serve food and will feed you for no additional cost. I think both of these things are hard for westerners to get past. I can’t imagine how many people turn around and keep driving when they find out the center is located in a house. I don’t have a challenge with this but it is different at first, some may not be able to get past his.<br />
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I do hope Maum is able to survive and evolve as I think is has something very special within it. I also think it is too scary as currently presented for the Western world. I plan on going forward until I see a reason to stop. I am curious and interested in it all at this point, so I guess I will see where it will take me. When I say where it will take me, I don’t plan on going to South Korea or giving up my life to meditate, but I do hope it can help me to empty my mind and maintain that perspective I had experienced for that period of time.

Thanks for your very thorough post damole! I appreciate your rational approach and I think you will find Maum Meditation runs deeper and deeper as you continue the practice. I was so happy to read about how you have not been deterred about many of things that turn people away. Keep that perspective and this meditation will benefit you and the world more than you could ever hope it to! I might add, it would be beneficial to your practice to do it for the world instead of yourself :) Thank you!!!

I practice maum meditation, I'm in level 3, I have mixed feelings about the meditation I been doing it over a year, reading all these posts makes me have doubts about the center and being a non profit organization, in San Diego they have 50 students that come regularly and pay $150 a month minimum , 150x50= 7,500 a month x 12 months = 90 K a year Tax free cause they are non profit, and there Are over 50 centers in the U. S, do the math.

I practice maum meditation, I'm in level 3, I have mixed feelings about the meditation I been doing it over a year, reading all these posts makes me have doubts about the center and being a non profit organization, in San Diego they have 50 students that come regularly and pay $150 a month minimum , 150x50= 7,500 a month x 12 months = 90 K a year Tax free cause they are non profit, and there Are over 50 centers in the U. S, do the math.

I practice maum meditation, I'm in level 3, I have mixed feelings about the meditation I been doing it over a year, reading all these posts makes me have doubts about the center and being a non profit organization, in San Diego they have 50 students that come regularly and pay $150 a month minimum , 150x50= 7,500 a month x 12 months = 90 K a year Tax free cause they are non profit, and there Are over 50 centers in the U. S, do the math.

Hello PlainJoe,

I would like to assure you that it is a registered non-profit. There is a lot more overhead costs than you might imagine in maintaining and supporting the center. The San Diego center has been around for quite awhile and is well developed. Other centers are just starting out so they are supported by strong centers like this one. It's great that you get to practice at such a great center :) Of course we are excited to bring the meditation to more places, so when there is extra money available we expand. Eventually the plan is to lower the cost to make it more accessible for everyone!

Hi, I just started the 3rd level and find the method very upsetting, a question to anyone out there who haves passed the 3rd level; Is 3rd level what the first level was to the 2nd level, just a prep?

Hello Heidi,

Each level prepares one for the next. The whole purpose of the meditation is to completely change the human mind to the universe mind. If you have properly enlightened in level two then I would ask that you confirm that enlightenment and see what it is that finds the method of the third level upsetting. Each level is made to break the attachment of the human mind; as you continue to practice this level you will find how liberating it ends up being!

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***A message to all those who have completed level 1 or higher *** your help please ***<br />
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Please play the role of the guide to those of us here who are interested but not yet convinced about started Maum. I have read the website and comments here so please don't mention "the truth" or anything abstract like subtracting, onions. We are one, we came from nothing etc. I already get this concept. I need some specifics on ***how to subtract***<br />
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Just guide us through our first meditation. I see no reason why this can't be done on this forum rather than having to go to a specific meditation centre. What did your guide tell you? Repeat on this forum how they guided you on your first few sessions. How do you subtract something? Give us an example you used personally or that is used commonly (we must all have the same types of things that need "subtracting". Be very specific please.<br />
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Your help is greatly appreciated.<br />
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I went to visit a centre yesterday for the introductory (sales pitch). A few comments :<br />
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-I do believe that meditation can help and i like the idea this one has a very specific path. If taught properly. I'm sure there are lots of types of meditation that work.<br />
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-I appreciate that the teachers may not be the most sane/happy people and may not be the best skilled to be teachers. Not many people would want to go and live for free in a shared meditation centre where their whole life is about Maum. If you had a solid family, friends, good well paid interesting rawarding job......but turned to Maum to cope with stress better; and Maum helped...would you really give it all up to go and live in a meditation centre?<br />
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-I am not impressed with the number of Maum centres in the world (lots of them) and I expect them to grow in number..there will always be people looking for free rent (the helpers) and also always people willing to pay for spiritual guidance (us the members who pay their rent)<br />
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-I don't want to change my life...but just live it stress/anxiety free. If all meditators drop out of life then this isn't great. I'm looking to cope with a more complex/demanding life..not live on $2 a day in a bedsit withdrawn from the world.<br />
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-$1000 so the founder can release your relatives from hell??This is simply not possible. Are you serious?. This is enough to put me off right away. <br />
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-To complete level 4 you must help the centre (my guide told me yesterday that at level 4 you help with the washing up!) ....what a load of balls. I understand that practicing "giving" might be part of the process...but why can't i give my time/energy to my family /friends. Surely paying a monthly fee is enough? <br />
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-I'm not overly concerned about the fact that it could be cultlike, any similar type of organisation will always have a number of members who form this cult like following(for they have found a new meaning/understanding in their life right) . I would just keep my head/and my distance from those. As long as the process works for me, i don't care if 30% of the meditators kiss the shoes of the founder and sit naked in a tree in their spare time shouting about how great Maum is. Saying that I am worried and concerned for people who lose there way/life.

Hello Wayne,

I can see fair logic throughout your post here, and that is why I am responding. I was a little confused as to whether you started the meditation or not. It sounds like you are unaware of the method, but other things you said seem to indicate you have had experience with it. Anyways, I will address some of the things you were concerned about:

I'm sorry to hear you felt the guides at the center you visited were less than qualified to be of great help, but I assure you, most of the guides I have met have been very inspiring people who would succeed in whatever sort of endeavor they attempted. I would expect that if you were to go ahead with the practice you would see them in a not so harsh light.

As far as a sample of the method goes, well, we do our best not to make the method public as the guided aspect of the meditation is vital in a lot of ways. As well as having a center to go to. This is for a number of reasons; one being that subtracting the human mind is not an easy process. Some people have a much easier time than others, but everyone seems to need support and guidance. If nothing else, it greatly increases the speed at which one can subtract the mind. It is so easy to get off track and start believing one's false, negative mind when practicing alone; or just neglecting to see parts of one's mind that could be more easily revealed with a guide. I admit, before going through this practice and throughout the process I thought about almost all the comments you made here. However, by continuing the process I found that all those things were either defenses of my mind or that it was due to my limited perspective that I felt that way.

I've tried lots of other meditations, philosophies and yogas before starting Maum Meditation, and I think I came to understand my mind better through them, however I really feel that my mind really started to become much freer when I began following this method. There are TONS of places that talk about the same Truth, but this method is what I find to be vitally unique.

People who practice this meditation often continue their work and social life; and in a whole new way. Totally free from the constraints and stress the used to have in them. Many people begin to spend a lot of their time helping others to practice Maum Meditation too, but that just seems logical if they have benefited from the meditation to a great extent.

As for the $1000 thing, I am really surprised they mentioned that to you as I would never expect it to make sense to someone without any experience with the meditation. Anyways, this sort of thing is more commonly accepted in Asian cultures. There is a price on it simply to help support the spreading of centers. As it didn't make sense to you I would like presume you were not at all pressured to follow up with this; it was simply offered, right?

As for the helping out at the center aspect of level four; this is called active meditation. As you subtract more and more it becomes very beneficial to be able to meditate while moving around and even working. Usually the tasks are quite simple and it is not for yourself, it is for the universe. If one is to do this for friends/family, then, from the perspective of the human mind, those things are still for itself. That mind looks to benefit itself and gain for itself in everything that it does; so in this case that mind would likely be trying to gain something from those people through its 'good' deeds.

I hope this helps!!

"nathanjklein",

You wrote to Wayne: "I'm sorry to hear you felt the guides at the center you visited were less than qualified to be of great help, but I assure you, most of the guides I have met have been very inspiring people who would succeed in whatever sort of endeavor they attempted." So, Wayne should discount his personal observations and instincts about these purported "guides" and rest assured that since YOU say they are great teachers/helpers/whatever, he should continue with a practice about which he has serious, valid and logical concerns?

You wrote: "As far as a sample of the method goes, well, we do our best not to make the method public as the guided aspect of the meditation is vital in a lot of ways." I've practiced yoga for years, and yes, I find it more beneficial in a myriad of ways when done in a group setting, but yoga is NOT kept secret. There are free guides to poses and practice online, as well as free classes offered through various religious organizations. Many yoga centers offer classes on a sliding scale to qualified participants. Yoga is out there, for all to see and share. Yoga is NOT easy, nothing in life worth having is, but it doesn't hide behind platitudes placating "inexperienced" practitioners.

You wrote:
"As for the $1000 thing, I am really surprised they mentioned that to you as I would never expect it to make sense to someone without any experience with the meditation. Anyways, this sort of thing is more commonly accepted in Asian cultures." I have years of experience meditating, no where in my practice did I find that meditation and donation requests became mutually inclusive. I'll bet you're surprised it was mentioned on Wayne's first day. I'm surprised you mentioned its prevalence in Asian cultures by way of explanation. So Wayne can once again feel positive about his experience his first day because he's unfamiliar with cultures that are foreign to him? And if he doesn't, is he a malevolent, racist bigot if he doesn't conform and empty his savings account?

You wrote:
"There is a price on it simply to help support the spreading of centers." If Maum Meditation's donation requests are for this "simple" purpose, (as authentic NPOs indeed are), why on Earth would he be told the $1000 was to release his relatives from hell? If so, shouldn't there be a set cost per release from the pit of fire? If Wayne has five relatives in hell and I only have one, shouldn't Wayne pay five times as much?

On Wayne's curiosity about giving, You wrote:
"If one is to do this for friends/family, then, from the perspective of the human mind, those things are still for itself. That mind looks to benefit itself and gain for itself in everything that it does; so in this case that mind would likely be trying to gain something from those people through its 'good' deeds." Last time I checked, giving is giving. Perhaps you, nathanjklein, do things for your family and friends with the expectation of personal gain, but somehow I seriously doubt Wayne does so. To even suggest such self-serving behavior is inasmuch an accusation of narcissism. But you preach that withdrawing one's love, attention, time and effort from family and friends (umm... abandonment?) and refocusing on the "universe" is the selfless way to go.... wait, I missed the part where the maum meditation centers became the "universe". Well, I'm sure you'll fill us in on that later, right? Somewhere around level 8?

You wrote:
"I hope this helps!!" On this point we are in perfect unison. I hope that after reading your backwards-upsidedown-insideout-logic, Wayne will run, not walk for the door out of your MM center.

But hey, I'm just a self-serving vapid narcissist with a mind full of messy thoughts, disturbing questions, passionate love and beautiful memories. My soul is vibrant and colorful, imperfect and intact. You want to be a blank white slate? The choice is yours. Go for it.

Nathanjklien,

Don't waste your breath... You can tell they are fake posts b/c anyone that practices Maum knows that kind of info is not introduce until the person is ready for it.

I lost my mother to Maum Meditation. She is utterly devoted to Maum and nothing else. We hardly speak & she does not care to know about anything going on in her childrens' lives. She lives at the center & volunteers all of her time to being a guide. When we want her to do something family oriented she says she'll ask if she can get the time off, as if she has no freedom to make this decision. However, sometimes she'll say she is too busy because the other guides are "off". I wonder why the other guides get so much time off when she never does. I haven't met too many students, but those that I have met seem totally obsessed with the center too. I would caution any one who has a loved one or who is considering practicing not to. All they want is your money.

Odd things about Maum Meditation:<br />
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1. Around level 3 or 4 they ask you for $1000 so that Woo Myung can remove your deceased family members from their hell world. <br />
No surprise, that's when a lot of people started getting suspicious at our center. I asked the guide why the $1000 was necessary, and she remarked that really you should give all of your money to this meditation but that they're not going to ask you to do that. <br />
It's all very hush,hush too. They select a person after a session and ask them about the $1000 privately. <br />
Does 'The Truth' really need $1000 in order to remove our deceased family members from their hell world?? Ridiculous.<br />
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2. One of the guides starting yelling at people at the Introductory Session when they started asking questions. Not a very effective way of recruiting members. Afterwards, she was having a hard time calming down in order to run a regular meditation session.<br />
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3. One of the students asked a guide why she came to the USA, and she responded that she was lonely and followed Woo Myung (she then realized she slipped up and tried to change the subject.) If she had completed beyond level 7 and the two final sessions, would she really have a mind of loneliness? Shouldn't her motivation have been to spread 'The Truth' instead of just following Woo Myung?<br />
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4. In order to pass level 4, you must distribute pamphlets to the community about the meditation. I completely understand the idea of Action Meditation, and I see how effective it is. However, the idea that you can only reach enlightenment if you hand out pamphets is weird.<br />
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5. A guest lecturer came to speak at the center (a guide from another center) and he started talking about how Maum meditation is buying all kinds of super expensive land in California to grow almonds. He said someday hopefully we will be able to buy 'Maum Meditation Almonds.' <br />
Ummm, what does making a profit off of almonds have to do with helping people reach enlightenment??<br />
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There is no question that the meditation has helped me and others greatly but the lack of compassion from the people that are 'Complete' seems odd. There is no warm fuzzy feeling about the guides (although, I realize that is not necessary.) I hate to say it but some of them really appear brainwashed. They have a hard time carrying on a conversation beyond anything that isn't related to Maum meditation. Perhaps they have thrown away their 'ghosts' but it just makes them appear hollow. I would recommend the meditation as a wonderful tool in the quest for enlightenment but ignore the weirdness and don't let them try to make you 'throw away' your common sense.

I am a previous practitioner that completed up to the 7th stage. I have found that although the community and method seem appealing at times, in the end maum meditation is just a ruse to take both your time and money. I would not be exaggerating by calling it a cult. As you progress in the levels, you are expected to have a progressively larger devotion to the creator of the method. At one point you are even asked if you would die for Woo Myung. You are expected to see the creator as God, and can only live in heaven by giving everything up for him.

Very interesting comment medjoolCA, considering you got up to Level 7, I'm surprised you feel that way. Then again, human mind doesn't surprise me anymore. Thank you for your insight!

I attended a seminar on maum given by the founder, Woo. the meditation aspect is of interest to me, but i was very concerned by the insistence throughout the seminar by the founder, Woo, that the attendees nod their heads in agreement with his statements. He told the attendees to nod if they understood about 50 times during the seminar, and many people did. What makes me wary is that this type of action, i.e. getting your audience to follow your commands, is commonly used as a first step to hypnotic induction and was used with such frequency that it was clear to me, with my interest and research into hypnotism, what was going on. This guy was trying to induce attendees to follow his commands. No matter how much i am interested, this makes me very wary that this is a cult-like organization. I may give it a try though, in hopes of hooking up with a hot korean helper.

I attended a seminar on maum given by the founder, Woo. the meditation aspect is of interest to me, but i was very concerned by the insistence throughout the seminar by the founder, Woo, that the attendees nod their heads in agreement with his statements. He told the attendees to nod if they understood about 50 times during the seminar, and many people did. What makes me wary is that this type of action, i.e. getting your audience to follow your commands, is commonly used as a first step to hypnotic induction and was used with such frequency that it was clear to me, with my interest and research into hypnotism, what was going on. This guy was trying to induce attendees to follow his commands. No matter how much i am interested, this makes me very wary that this is a cult-like organization. I may give it a try though, in hopes of hooking up with a hot korean helper.

I attended a seminar on maum given by the founder, Woo. the meditation aspect is of interest to me, but i was very concerned by the insistence throughout the seminar by the founder, Woo, that the attendees nod their heads in agreement with his statements. He told the attendees to nod if they understood about 50 times during the seminar, and many people did. What makes me wary is that this type of action, i.e. getting your audience to follow your commands, is commonly used as a first step to hypnotic induction and was used with such frequency that it was clear to me, with my interest and research into hypnotism, what was going on. This guy was trying to induce attendees to follow his commands. No matter how much i am interested, this makes me very wary that this is a cult-like organization. I may give it a try though, in hopes of hooking up with a hot korean helper.

I attended a seminar on maum given by the founder, Woo. the meditation aspect is of interest to me, but i was very concerned by the insistence throughout the seminar by the founder, Woo, that the attendees nod their heads in agreement with his statements. He told the attendees to nod if they understood about 50 times during the seminar, and many people did. What makes me wary is that this type of action, i.e. getting your audience to follow your commands, is commonly used as a first step to hypnotic induction and was used with such frequency that it was clear to me, with my interest and research into hypnotism, what was going on. This guy was trying to induce attendees to follow his commands. No matter how much i am interested, this makes me very wary that this is a cult-like organization. I may give it a try though, in hopes of hooking up with a hot korean helper.

Let me know if she has any hot friends.

I attended a seminar on maum given by the founder, Woo. the meditation aspect is of interest to me, but i was very concerned by the insistence throughout the seminar by the founder, Woo, that the attendees nod their heads in agreement with his statements. He told the attendees to nod if they understood about 50 times during the seminar, and many people did. What makes me wary is that this type of action, i.e. getting your audience to follow your commands, is commonly used as a first step to hypnotic induction and was used with such frequency that it was clear to me, with my interest and research into hypnotism, what was going on. This guy was trying to induce attendees to follow his commands. No matter how much i am interested, this makes me very wary that this is a cult-like organization. I may give it a try though, in hopes of hooking up with a hot korean helper.

phattus, if you are thinking about maum to "hook up" you totally have'nt a clue about what this is.the only one you will hook up with is your true self. do you have any idea who that is? i am a 4th level student .yeah, it's kinda hard to reach the 4th level. but, it is soooo much worth the time and effert..... please, give yourself a gift,and have patience with yourself.......pease and light to you ...whitewolf

interesting that no one seems willing or able to actually describe the meditation?

read the entire list of comments. thanks to all. but would is it a problem to tell us how this mediation works? the mere fact that no one is able or willing to describe it in any way is quite illuminating.

@ meditationislife , the first level you mentally recall everything in your life, and imagine each mental picture going into a black hole and disappearing. The second level, you mentally destroy each picture. Some people have a hard time imagining blowing up their own children or their grandma, but others like me figure, no real harm is done. The third level you mentally destroy your body parts. I was surprised when I was asked to imagine my genitals and anus being chopped to pieces, but that's just part of the method, and its my stubborn human mind that doesn't want to accept this. Each level seems to "open your mind" to "accept". But are we accepting the truth, or a lie?

Hi, I've been to 4 sessions thus far and am begininng to become very weary about the whole cult/brainwashing thing. Another thing that's very strange is, each night after a session I experienced some weird dreams.....not making any sense at all. Something just doesn't feel right about the whole thing.<br />
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I didn't show up for a couple of days after my second time, due to hurricane Irene, and had 4 phone messages, asking if I was ok, and that they really needed to talk to me...again pretty strange to me. The next night I showed up for a session, and my concentration was so off, and my mind very blank as the helper guided me in the meditation. It came to no surprise to her when I informed her about it. She smiled as though it was totally normal, and she accomplished her goal that evening. The crazy part about this whole story is that I went to a psychic the day after my first session, and the she ( the psychic ) seemed very concerned, and asked me who were the 2 negative people w/ black energy that were trying to take something away from me? And she wanted to know the details of the nightmares I was having. I told her I didn't know who she was talking about, and that I didn't have any nightmares. Well when I joined Maum, I was introduced to 2 helpers, and the weird dreams started after my second session.....very very strange.

I don't really have a comment. More like a question really. I'm not interested in being part of a cultish organization. I've been there and done that already. I'm a native Italian and when I came to the US I felt vulnerable and lonely. I was taken in, by what I thought was a loving and compassionate group. I will not go into details about this because it's not important anymore except for the purpose of not repeating the same mistake. <br />
My question is to anyone out there that has experience Maum Meditation and believes that it is cultish to give me more information and details about it. <br />
If a practice is genuine there are no gurus, dependency on rules and regulations therefore no disillusionments. I'm not looking for a miracle with Maum meditation but just for a way to live a less stress filled life and make better choices. The American culture is one of a quick fix, take a pill and stop the pain. I know that in life there is not gain without a little pain and a little patience so I'm willing to endure the process but I don't like to start something that will leave me with yet one more doubt. <br />
This organization speaks of knowing the true life. I've been looking for truth all my life and just recently resigned to the idea that truth is over rated and that every human being invent its own. <br />
If anyone has further information on Maum Meditation I would appreciate sincere and ob<x>jective comments. Thanks

I don't really have a comment. More like a question really. I'm not interested in being part of a cultish organization. I've been there and done that already. I'm a native Italian and when I came to the US I felt vulnerable and lonely. I was taken in, by what I thought was a loving and compassionate group. I will not go into details about this because it's not important anymore except for the purpose of not repeating the same mistake. <br />
My question is to anyone out there that has experience Maum Meditation and believes that it is cultish to give me more information and details about it. <br />
If a practice is genuine there are no gurus, dependency on rules and regulations therefore no disillusionments. I'm not looking for a miracle with Maum meditation but just for a way to live a less stress filled life and make better choices. The American culture is one of a quick fix, take a pill and stop the pain. I know that in life there is not gain without a little pain and a little patience so I'm willing to endure the process but I don't like to start something that will leave me with yet one more doubt. <br />
This organization speaks of knowing the true life. I've been looking for truth all my life and just recently resigned to the idea that truth is over rated and that every human being invent its own. <br />
If anyone has further information on Maum Meditation I would appreciate sincere and ob<x>jective comments. Thanks

Generally the things they are talking about sound O.K., but I can't stand the feeling I want to ask some questions: <br />
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1. While they speak about the Truth and that all people are ONE, why is this pro-Korean thing there? Everything in the center is written even only in Korean or in both Korean and Enlgish, but that's O.K. because I can think this is to help mostly korean people to learn some more while they come without English skills, but why they are giving me examples of some terms in Korean?<br />
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2. How they are running the center? Finance-wise? I know people there which are not working anywhere else they are there to teach us every day. I saw one of them going to school. So my question is: with the fee of $150 how can you pay for all rent, utilities, fuel for the cars that they have, the food which is served 2 times a day? I saw some people like me bringing cookies and fruits there, but if you add all these brochures and the college fee for that person.... I don't think I can live well with the money they collect from all of us and they are at least 6 people there.<br />
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3. Cult/relegion/method - The method ... besides the fact that same lecture before meditation looks like brain-washing ... the explanation it gives is for children.... <br />
For me it is at least a religion. The ABC rule - Assurance, Belief, Conversion. .... They ASSURE you that if you become The Truth, you won't die. You'll leave forever. They want you to BELIEVE that The Method is the right way and the only way(but when I mentioned that some people were enlighted without knowing that method like Jesus and Budha, they agreed somehow). CONVERSION - you'll say there is no conversion/baptizing.... ask them what you need to do in order to complete The Method - you need to meet a Master... for now it is only the Founder who can "make you enlighted"... and they are preparing another master, because the founder will not be available in a material form soon.... he is getting old(that's what I was told by a teacher).<br />
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If you think I don't get the picture and I am wrong thinking this way, please let me know. I'll appreciate any meaningful answer, because if I have doubt I cannot meditate efectively because I keep asking these and some other questions. I have to trust they are doing that because they saw the truth i.e. they are doing that to help others to achieve the same. Thank you!

Does this cost money? And if so, how much does it cost? If anyone could answer that question, it would be great!

As far as I know, there is a small monthly cost ($150/month or so, but they all could be different) to support the community (rent, utilities, food, etc.)

They say the helpers are all volunteers and that no one gets a salary and all of the money collected is just for keeping the center running. I know they have a lot of brochures that they hand out so I don't know if some of the money goes to that or not.

Most/all of the centers always have home cooked meals available so you can eat three meals a day there if you want, so I assume part of the cost goes to that.

I've heard some people balk at paying anything, as if it should be free somehow. I don't know how they expect a center to operate for free. Do they think someone's going to donate a house and utilities for them to practice meditation? Even if that were done it's not really "free"...someone has to pay for it.

I think that these are just cheap people who want something for nothing and use their rationalization that meditation should be free because it's "spiritual" or something. That's kinda living in la-la land these days in my opinion.

So in my opinion $150/month is not bad for the benefits I receive.

I just completed level 1. My mind feels more clear that it probably ever has and I'm feeling very peaceful.<br />
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I too, was skeptical of maum meditation, primarily because it comes from Korea which seems to have no lack of cults (anyone remember the Moonies? The glorious leader Kim Jung Il?)<br />
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I have been very wary of "hero worship" (the great leader) because I know that's part of it. (Of course every religion is essentially hero worship [jesus, allah, god, etc] and the only real difference in a "cult" and a "religion" is that a religion has more members and thus is more widely accepted. They're essentially the same thing though.)<br />
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Although the talk about the leader/inventor of maum had not been direct so far, you definitely knew they love him because his words, books, drawings, etc are everywhere. So when I completed level one the other night, I was a bit put off that the helper said we must be grateful for the leader and his wife. I thought that might be the first step in the hero worship implanting. The helper was also very insistent that I agree to continue on to the end of level 7.<br />
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Some of the people in the higher levels seem normal, but many of them seem a bit "off"--not really happy and not so social. You'd think if they were in those higher levels they'd be super happy and fun, but most aren't. Some of it could be because they're Korean and maybe they're just more reserved culturally, I don't know. But the main leader (korean-american) seems really happy and outgoing, so I guess that's something.<br />
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I'm also not too keen on the "this is the only path" thing. I guess most practices/religions/etc say that about themselves, and that's always something that turns me off about all of them.<br />
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I'm also a bit wary (and a bit tired of) seeing the same lecture over and over. Most days I just skip it, but they definitely want you to see the lecture every day. That also could be part of the brainwashing.<br />
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So overall, after a couple of months of going, and having passed level one, I'll continue to go, but I'll have my cult and BS detectors on high. As with many things (scientology anyone?) I know there are valid truths and helpful practices within them, but some of them get all culty and that scares me. I hope maum ends up being a great thing in my life, but I'm a little apprehensive. I've gotten great benefits from it so far, but I'm also wary of some of the things that scare me about it.<br />
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I'll update when I have more to share.

Meditation is good for the mind - it de-stresses and calms one down. I have tried the standard meditation but found myself in a space that i could not control.<br />
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What Maum offers is a step by step method so that you do not loose your way in the Spiritual - Mental maze. How much do we really understand of ourselves in the first place - we don't really. It has a very strong psychological ba<x>se to it albeit, if you are looking for freedom well, it aint gonna happen in the mind space - it is all cluttered up! <br />
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Maum Meditation is about house cleaning where the house is your mind and its not easy coz the mind is comfortable with all the garbage that we have collected over the years. It // we don't want to let go and the "I" doesn't want to stop being the Boss. We confuse our sense of identity with our "I" and how can we let go our sense of identity? Thereby the conflict that most of us feel. <br />
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Yes there are a lot of questions that do not get answered here and its important to us because we live in an information lead world. We want the answers but is enlightenment more important or answers and once you get to your goal wont all the answers come ? Whenever we follow a path there are hurdles on the way ... can step over them and win the race or sit there and figure out why they are hurdles and why they have been placed there and in why in the size, position etc.. Information is Bunkum ! True knowledge is Real !<br />
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Maum Meditation may not suit everyone and there may be something else out there for you but if you are seeking the truth then don't stop be it Yoga or something else that gives you peace, freedom or whatever else you may seek.

I have mixed feelings about Maum meditation. I've been practicing now for a few years. The method definitely seems to work; my fellow students seem to agree with me on that point. However, the founder and the teachers are just a little weird. I am unsure if it is a cultural issue or not. The Korean teachers seem to be aggressive about getting people to start the meditation, and sometimes appear to get angry when people ask legitimate harmless questions. The American helpers are more friendly but still seem a little off. None of the teachers come off as particularly compassionate people which is probably they most concerning issue. However, there are many Level 7 people who have normal lives, and seem like nice, normal, friendly people who feel like the meditation has helped them greatly.<br />
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The odd thing seems to be that the method seems to work but the founder and the teachers seem to be unknowingly creating obstacles to helping their students.

Hello DQUEST,<br />
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Thank you for your post. I can appreciate your writing here about how it would be good to have warnings for people gradually on how this meditation will certainly have its ups and downs, its brick walls and times of incredible insight. Also though, I would like to mention that the whole process is different for everyone in how it effects them. <br />
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For instance in level four I had spent a lot of time realizing how selfishly and poorly I had lived my life thus far and even in those current moments, and there were times when I felt such a tremendous inescapable difficulty. Still, I think by the time people have come to level four they are ready to recognize even in these times of hardship that it is all the delusion of the mind and won't last as long as one continues to subtract. For me one morning I just cried for the first time since I was about twelve. I cried for hours. I had never been more grateful in all my life. Since then I have not been haunted by notions of having lived poorly, but continued to subtract diligently. <br />
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It sounds like you have practiced very sincerely and to have gotten to the point you have mentioned is so great. I really hope you are able to continue your practice and know that there is an end in subtraction. To stop before that end though may be more miserable than to have never even taken the first step. Now your more aware of how delusional it is to chase a picture world - to try and satisfy that which cannot be satisfied. <br />
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I would say people who have gone part ways though the meditation are certainly better off for it, but if those people are to decide that is enough before the end, it is like they are trying to deny what they have realized and lost grateful to have realized it.

more add on of mental stories, mental expectations, mental wants, mental opinnions & mental concepts = more mental illusions. <br />
more & more mental add ons = more subjective mind = more thicker la<x>yers of mental illusions = more false minds <br />
Remedy ?<br />
Remedy is : peel the onion of the mind, la<x>yers by la<x>yers, the more la<x>yers get peeled & throw away the better, & lighter & cleaner & clearer & more spacious you will feel & become. <br />
There are many la<x>yers within your mental conditioning that you need to peel away, subtract & throw away inorder to return to your original unconditioned pristine true mind of no mind, you need patience, persistence, discipline & faith developed through personal experience.<br />
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The Truth is already the Truth. Truth does not need anything to add on to it.<br />
Anthing added on the Truth, is like you paint another colour on the original colour & resulted in the original colour got hidden by the painted colour. To reveal the original true colour, you have got to first remove the painted colour using chemical,<br />
The chemical here is an analogy of the meditation of substraction.<br />
The meditation of substraction is a skillful means to peel away the oinion la<x>yers of your conditioned false mind.<br />
The meditaion of subtraction has no dogmas because it also subtract away dogmas & throws dogmas away unitl nothing is left. until emptiness is left. it even throw away emptiness until nothing is left, it even go one more step to throw away nothingness until all that is not the Ultimate Truth cannot remains.<br />
All false minds are throw away.<br />
Even the false self is throw away.<br />
Even the last concepts of subtract & throw away are ultimately being throw away.<br />
At this point, its beyond mind & beyond words, only direct experience understand what is this.<br />
Truth is beyond thoughts, thinking ,mind & false self.<br />
Truth cannot be expressed in concepts, ( concepts is another mental adds on = another false mind )<br />
Truth can only be directly realised; when all false mind vanishes.<br />
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The way to Truth is not ' add on', more add on = more cover up = more further from Truth.<br />
The way to Truth is 'minus' & 'subtract'. more subract the better, subtract away all the false la<x>yers of the false mind & false self.<br />
if you can subtract all the way to zero. = zero false mind = Original Pristine Truth reveals =<br />
You found back your Truth which is already within but hidden by the la<x>yers of the false conditioned minds & false ego-self.<br />
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When all the false mind & false self is gone.<br />
You realises you are the selfless boundless Universe of thoughtless Pure Pristine Non dual Awareness simultaneous with selfless non dual Love.<br />
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Artist Anthony Koh Cheng Eng<br />
Singapore

Hi Ben,<br />
I hope everything is o.k.<br />
We are missing you here at the center, and would like to know how we can help you to resume your study? If it is a financial problem, we can talk about how we can help you. I know you already realize how important this meditation is, so please don't give up!<br />
Please contact us or come over to the center tomorrow after work.<br />
Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks.<br />
Margie<br />
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Dear people at Maum Center;<br />
I am concerned about some things about the Maum practice, and I am going to try other things for now.<br />
Thanks and good luck,<br />
Ben<br />
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(Margie asked me what concerns I had)<br />
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Dear Maum;<br />
I am concerned with what I see as an atmosphere of rigid dogma.<br />
Also, I don't really see how rejecting my memories is a good idea.<br />
I believe the process was somehow taking away happiness.<br />
If it is a simple process, ba<x>sed on the way people really are,<br />
why do the staff repeat themselves every time, as if trying to convince<br />
me of something I would not otherwise accept?<br />
Thank you,<br />
Ben<br />
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(Another member wrote me in response):<br />
I was sorry to here that you have decided to opt out of the meditation. Margie had shared your email with me and I was just wanting to apologize for any uncomfortableness that I may have given you. Also, in regards to your comment of rigid dogma, I am not sure what gave this tone to the atmosphere for you but you did mention that you felt you were being coerced to accept something. This is especially something I would like to apologize for as it is vital that one comes to know Truth from within. If one is just accept something as Truth and leaving it at that, then one would just have a picture of Truth not worth more than any other picture. As for the dogma, well, what sort of dogma? All we have is a method of subtraction.<br />
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The repetition is important. The Truth is so simple and the human mind is so complicated. We repeat ourselves as there is no reason to add extraneous words and we don't remain silent because the human mind has a tendency to drift back in to adding and analyzing... judging. It is a very massive shift to go from adding all one's life to suddenly subtracting everything. The fact that the meditation is guided and repetitive is quite vital to keep people on track. It isn't really intended to be rigid, but it certainly does take a lot of discipline. There has been enough wandering in the picture world so it is time to sternly turn that process into a process of subtraction. The only way to completion, to the world of perfection, is through subtraction. We really don't want to even suggest you change your circumstances or tell you what to believe/think. The only thing we ask is to subtract the false mind till only Truth remains, and we certainly won't tell you how that Truth acts or anything --- there is only living as it is once one has become Truth.<br />
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Anyways Ben, I really enjoyed having you here and I didn't sense much of a difficulty arising for you so I probably didn't help as much as would of been.... helpful. I hope we can meditate together again soon. Hopefully the atmosphere here can become less rigid too and we can joyfully return to the universe mind!<br />
Thank you so much,<br />
Nate<br />
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I tried Maum practice for two months. I think Maum is all about pushing away everything there is in your mind, but not all about becoming an enlightened or great person. The people who say they have completed the whole course don't seem like they have a lot going for them besides their practice. I don't like how they assume there is no other spiritual path on Earth than theirs.<br />
I like The Ishayas' Ascension better, because they offer a definitely positive way, and they treat you like a grownup.