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Guys And Their Legs.

I'm not sure if this rates as a social norm or not but it is definitely something that seems to be universal amongest men in the western world...especially in rural areas.

Men. They stand around in groups at parties, meetings, field days, other social events catching up with whatever guys talk about - BIG sheds, BIG fish, BIG tractors, BIG weekends ;), BIG cars, BIG computers, BIG whatever... Have you ever noticed that the more they are try to impress one another, the further their legs part.  When I'm bored at events that are male dominated, I like to stand to the side just  and just observe groups of men and their legs - quite a phenomenon!

It seems that the more threatened they are feeling, by what the other bloke/s were saying, the farther their legs part, inch by inch shuffling into a stance that increase their pelvic tilt.  It makes great entertainment if you are ever bored at a BBQ!

wildernessgirl wildernessgirl 36-40 105 Responses Feb 8, 2010

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I can not believe that this was responded to 105 times...

lol.. yes, I have noticed something strange about my fellow man at events such as these described here, there are settings that seem like a "me too" app could come in handy. ill admit, I do get sucked into certain bragging contests. it happens before im aware it materialized but by then, im only warming up (you never want to go nuclear right from jump street. there's an understood protocol. to violate it could cost you your standing in club. speaking of standing..).ive noticed for sometime that there are guys who have to rock themselves into a certain position with the right look and expression before upping the anti with their offering into the pot of big stuff. its like theyre merely the antenna that received and relays the info to the small group of shallow men telling long stories about their big stuff.

Wow... I never actually noticed this before.

I really don't care for people who think they're better or that they've got bigger cars or dicks. I'd go to another section of the party where there was no wankers

This is facinating, I will definately start observing these behaviour

I'm going to check this out next time I'm around a lot of guys and see what happens

<--- Is going to try checking this out at the next gathering.

I've seen quite a few men who do that, usually the rude primitive caveman types. It's horribly annoying sitting next to one of those in the subway... >.<<br />
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Anyway, I read it had something to do with showing dominance and genital size, and releasing pheromones, and that it was an evolutionary instinct to attract women. I'm a man and apparently I didn't get the memo.

The wide stance thing...was anyone reminded of the incident with ex-senator Larry Craig? The one busted by a cop in an airport bathroom?<br />
You apparently signal your availability for bathroom sex in the gay community by taking a "wide stance," too...<br />
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I find it funny that men use the same sort of body language when asserting status in a pecking order (or is that "******" order?), and conveying availability for anonymous guy-on-guy bathroom action...<br />
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Gender roles are freaking weird!

Now I am going to be watching since I read this.

Really macho men do the standing with legs apart thing while talking, while not-so-macho men usually have their legs held together or even stand with them crossed. Guys who are between macho and not-so-much stand with a little space between their feet and don't tend to shift too much. I may be generalizing, but this is what I've observed from personal observation over the years, including myself (and I'm in the third category).

Yet another example of how simplistic and animalistic the male sex is at times. Or at least the football obsessed types. I've noticed the legs thing and I guessed that too... Ugh. :/ I still do wonder what the girl thing would be? Hair maybe?

You may have an interesting previously unremarked point.

fascinating observation! Maybe it's a subconcious attempt to look physically bigger and impressive . the way male animals do when they are sizing each other up. <br />
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Would also be interesting to know how the behavoir is influenced by the presence of women in the room. Does it exaggerate it, or reduce it?<br />
I'm definitely going to look out for this one! :)

Yes! That is primal body language at work :)

I hate watching a talk/chat show with some many who sits in the chair or couch with his knees spread nearly a meter apart. "Look at my package, people. I'M the alpha male HERE!"

It is a fight or flight stance. Good observation.

This stance is about aggression the feet apart are for balance if the man was ready to fight or flee or otherwise make a sudden move he would be less likely to fall , the stance prepares him for physical action and also sends a message that he is ready for a fight with other group members which pegs him as brave and gives him their approval. Weather this is natural is doubtful it's more of a fight or flight thug culture thing. Good indication of how indoctrinated the men are also. This bull **** is not only ruining men's lives but filling the prisons and grave yards with them as well.

Reckon Pixie~ is right but there's more to it. It's very much an American braggart thihg and all the show of aggression actually hides insecurity that feels a need to show aggression. It's a lot like women's padded 'power dressing' of the 1980s to show they could be as good as men when they felt they were not, instead of now feeling good enough not to think it needs proving. It's the same as some men will only cross their legs high up, ankle over thigh because women won't (oomigawd opening my legs!) so to cross legs as women do makes them afraid to be seen as equal to women.

LOL! Hysterical. I used to have a boyfriend that used to do that. He was this really macho jerk and acted all tough but the truth was he was really insecure. Not all guys are like that though. You may need to hand out with a different crowd because what you are describing would get really annoying after a while!!

If a bear or cougar were to burst in out of nowhere, the man with the widest stance would be safe because he presents the biggest challenge for said wild animal. It also presents confidence and power. Like,"go ahead - kick me in the gonads. Mine are, like, rock anyway". <br />
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What does it mean when a woman walks like she has a golf ball clenched between her legs?

omg, thats hilarious, i'm goin to look for that next time i see a group of guys! ahahahaha, thats funny

I doubt it is to show off equipment although it could be part of it. Looking bigger I think is definitely part of it and comes from animal instinct, is more defensive posture than showing off. Also spread legs put one in a better position for both flee and fight which again is animal instinct. Think of football pla<x>yers and how often coaches tell them to widen their stance.

Oh wow. I never noticed this o-o I should check it out oO. But I dunno. I think its some instinct of making themselves look bigger/broader (Not necessarily down there, y'know) so they look more badass

Another thought - American men, especially from 'Cowboy Country' are afraid to cross their legs. If they do at all, it is open. In Europe, women crossing their legs is mostly 'body language' like crossing their arms over their breasts, to close off, but in the more prudish USA it is often seen as a way of giving an up-skirt invitation - where women still wear skirts that is.<br />
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Maybe American men need to brag that their legs are open to show the sex they are proud of, unlike women needing to protect it because for men it is aggressive, for women the aggressed upon.<br />
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Either way, if I spread my legs wide in front of a woman, or she does to me, we each understand that as an offer whether we accept it or not. <br />
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Strutting Macho-men with legs splayed - they deserve and invite a good kick up there that isn't going to bother a woman to anything like the same extent! Homosexist Posers!

Crossing one's legs as a female in the U.S. - in general - does NOT mean an "up-skirt invitation." Where did you hear that bucket of crap? (signed, American Female)

It could just be that men don't get the prohibition women do against spreading their legs. Mostly I doubt that. There is a certain kind of man who does spread his legs (up to a point that is making a 'solid' ba<x>se in martial arts too) - but there's a certain kind of 'middle-aged' woman who uses her breasts as battering rams too, thrusting them at anybody in her way in a crowd and as a way of dominating people. My grandmother became very good at it once she went senile!<br />
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Just plain self-absorbed swaggering 'kids that never grew up' on both sides maybe? And about as ridiculous - or pathetic?

Men stand with their legs spread to maintain balance. That's as good an answer as any. Who knows why men do some of the things they do as a man even I don't know.

Find some grown-up adult men instead of 'guys'!

Women often hold their legs together. In both cases, it's the opposite of what they do when sexually excited, and sexually excited amounts to losing control over yourself and thus implying that the partner has control over you. So is it a case of showing how in control of yourself you are, and refuting any unconscious homosexual implications?<br />
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It's interesting though, because even sitting, a lot of men avoid holding their legs together or crossing them, while women pretty much use it as an invitation to part their legs with a man watching - yes, I'll let you in.

Yep...touching is a sure sign. Also men tend to squeeze things they are holding around women they are attracted to. Women tend to stroke things...I also notice they like to touch you with their breasts sometimes not just their hands. Definitely watch out for the wrist thing, it's a weird one. But I have had a few women do that to me and I was able to go out with every one of them at least for one date, lol!

What "wrist thing?"

Thinking, thinking...leg crossing...hmmmm...not sure about that one brandy! lol. The colour that women wear is meant to signify whether they are on heat or<br />
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I still have to watch out for that wrist thing...there is so much flirting going on here on's a bit hard to see their body language must be hard typing with their wrists<br />
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What about the whole touching arms, shoulders etc when talking...that's a sign for sure...both for Males and Females.

I think that the color a woman wears has to do with the colors she LIKES to wear. I never wear cream, peach, mustard, pumpkin, khaki or other "pale" colors near my face because they're not flattering to my coloring and I don't like them. Plain and simple.

lol! yeah the flicking of the hair is another one. The wrist thing is weird, she will put her hands out with the wrist pointing towards the sky. It's a very vulnerable position. Also seeing what direction her bent leg is pointing...Detecting female body language is harder, but if guys learned what to look for they would pick up more women because they would know which ones were attracted to them.

Agreed Brand1, you just need to know what to look for. Now I'm curious about the shackle theory, lol, I'm going to look out of it. Is this before or after they flick their hair????

It's simply a common yet primitive male dominance thing. Everything that a male does to assert dominance among other men or even to show off to women is the same; they tend to make themsleves appear bigger (not necessarily his equipment, just overall size). You see it all the time in the animal kingdom including humans. I also find it fun to look at women that do the same thing. Women tend to compete with each other on more of an emotional or mental level rather than a physical one. But when you see them trying to attract men they tend to make themselves smaller and more vulnerable such as wrist pointing up and towards the recieveing person as if she is asking them to shackle her. Body Language is always fun to look at when you learn about it and know what to look for, you see it EVERYWHERE...

That he is pretending so that we all think that his moby has more BOOM BOOM than all the others! lol<br />
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...gawd, I'm such a ***** this

Hmmmm, what do we notice about Jimmyblues legs??? lol


Watch them when the talk about their SUV's, one guy almost split his pants and he had "Relaxed Fit" ones on!!!!

Happens all the time in Australia!

I never noticed that. I never really hang out in all male groups except maybe at work where it just happens to be men. I would think a barbecue where men were hanging in one place and women in another would be pretty weird.

Tis fun to imitate them. I often do this to my husband when he answers the phone and discovers that it's his father or brother...his voice changes completely.

You are so right. Evolution at it's finest.

Jennybilly - you have been thinking! Crossed legged...something I haven't seen a man do<br />
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Poor ol' men...perhaps they'll all stand legs crossed from now on, for fear of being judged!

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Yeah, I'm going to be spreading my legs extra wide now just in case someone I meet is on EP and might think I'm not well endowed ;)<br />
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and if I see a woman standing like that with a group of men - well I'm still not going to know what to think!

...that she's well-ventilated? LOL

I'm enjoying the commentary just as much as you kindaconfused - lol

great thread wildernessgirl. This has been fun to read!

Either way, I am sure most EP men will converse with a wide stance from now on - just in case some EP women are watching. They would not want to give the wrong impression ;-)

HAHA! I love this! I'm a girl and have found myself doing similar stuff when talking in a group of men (who are doing the same thing). I guess I never realized til now how hilarious this is!!!!

It's not necessarily an aggressive stance. It's stabilization, as the words and stories get stronger, the stance opens to stabilize. So it's defensive. Think of a boxing match, loosey goosey, but once the fighters are engaged, the legs get very wide to stabiize for any blow that may take the fighter off their feet. Now if you see a guy that remains balanced yet some what alert in stance during, a conversation, he's probably a confident man. One that has his hips relaxed and juxtaposed, probably a little bit light afoot and mind, and a guy that stands with feet crossed through a conversation, forget about it, light foot with no nanners...

Actually, it is just more comfortable to stand that way after a while!

Could be! *nodding* They mostly seem to do it when they have the talking stick, so you may be onto something.....must investigate further...

I think maybe you are seeing men being territorial, taking up more space. It is kind of like a dog walking the perimeter of it's yard and peeing everywhere. It likes to mark as much space as it's own.<br />
Is this a man's way of doing it, marking his conversational territory?

IQ level has nothing to do with what is between their legs....that seems to have a life of it's own ;) lol

Does the distance between the legs reflect iq level. In choosing males I would pick the ones observing said animal behavior as it show a sign of intelligence and humor which would open up a lively dialogue. I have no doubt of their capability to perform. And they don't need to impress me. Keep the comedy coming : D

Wow, what a great lot of comments! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.<br />
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Sylph - I'll keep a look out for the "man watching group" should be a blast! ;)<br />
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SC :)<br />
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HB You are not wrong. Women are funny creatures. Funny thing is that as a female I'm very alert all the body language they 'perform' but I don't find it so amusing, usually just annoying. *crosses arms across chest, sticks hair down flat, stands to attention* lol.<br />
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Wonton (lol) So that's what's going on . Must make a point of thanking the next gentleman I stand to speak with on his considerate behaviour! lol<br />
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Rewire - ah, so what is it that men adn women talk to one another about??

This is clearly, simply subjective to your own perception, and is exactly what you WANT it to mean. Any one of you who've cared to comment have submitted your individual perspectives or "I never noticed that, oooo".<br />
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Large posessions are simply an item of status in society, and you can't tell me that many women don't want to prove that they are better than everyone around them as well. Can you think of a single posession that men are not proud of having? Including, ahem, women.<br />
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Guys always want to talk about their stuff, but many women simply arent interested in hearing about tools, sports, and video games. Just like women want to b!tch and talk about each other behind their back. Do you know many guys who give a sh!t about that? <br />
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Also, the leg-thing. When we talk about manly things, our testosterone levels increase. What your seeing is simply me adjusting my comfort level as my balls swell with pride.

Girls, girls, you got it all wrong.<br />
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Men of late are feeling so emascilated by women, that when around them they keep their legs together to protect the private parts (also so as not to defend women's delicate sensibilities)<br />
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WHen around men, they feel freer to spread their legs, give their privates room, and air....<br />
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Simple really


I think the related thing women do, besides bragging about their children, is to brag about how good their man is to them. Also in a group of women, you notice the "I'm prettier than you are" thing . It could be puffing their chest out, fussing with their hair, or scanning around the room ( probably at the men!) in a distracted kind of way.

I don't have any children or a spouse to brag about, and I really don't find myself adjusting my conversation or behavior for other women. Who cares about the opinion of someone who doesn't know or care about me and my life!

This is too funny!<br />
Thanks for the observation.

haha! They'll be too self conscious after they notice us imitating them. Probably watching themselves for the next few hours...days...then they go back to the same habit again. :D<br />
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Another new group??? Like "I am a ManWatcher" kinda group??? Sounds real yummy...LOL!

It would be funny to walk up and imitate them. I wonder if they would notice Sylph? lol.<br />
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So you think we should start up a new group do you Roj?

"I am a manwatcher"????

I read this before and wonder why I didn't comment...<br />
You do have point here, WG...very observant of you...can't wait for summer on the next BBQ...though I could observe men at my workplace...hmmm...okay...I shall do some men-watching later...whoohoo! ;)

LOL. I wonder if he had much of a bulge under those jeans to justify such a wide spread :)

I like that a lot too! *grins*<br />
Well I'm glad to learn that it's not just men checking out ladies' legs lol<br />
The only thing I can add is a cultural story. In Japan any extra inch count, well I'm talking about legs of course! <br />
In the commuter train, at non-rush hour, there is enough room for people to sit down and even spread out over several vacant seats. On such occasion, there was a young man sitting on an empty row of seats, wearing tight jeans as it was fashionable at the time. Wanting to show off how much space he could take on his own to impress nearby college girls he started to adopt a laid-back pose, spreading his legs appart in the widest V he could, only resting on the edge of the seat itself. He was looking quite happy with himself when a sudden curve threw him on his butt. He didn't raise his head, or said a word, just dusted himself quickly and hastily left the train at the next station under the discrete giggling of the girls.<br />
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It's a second-hand account but that's still funny every time I picture it!

*flips hair* ;)

Like a woman flipping her hair.

Don't forget the head bobbing. Even when we're aware of the behavior, It's almost impossible to stop.

Hmmmm secret guy business Eh?

Guys, don't tell them what's really going on, they don't need to know.


Watch out guys! Women all over the world will be watching you at the next BBQ you stand around at!

I can honestly say I never thought about this, but after reading your story I'm certain to watch for it at the next BBQ I visit. Thanks for sharing.

I can honestly say I never thought about this, but after reading your story I'll watch for it at the next BBQ I visit. Thanks for sharing.

LOL. Have you been reading long?

WOW! This is by far the most funny and interesting that I read today. Thanks. I will certainly pay attention to this too next time

Goodmove - Hmmm, I'm not sure about that! I'll have to listen to myself chat to friends...<br />
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BHH - Nope, my kids aren't perfect :)

I think I have to agree if women have kids it's all about how perfect their child is. The only people I ever here having issues have been BF4E...<br />
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I think you could be onto something I'll watch the next male grouping :)

crap-now everytime i talk to a gal i am going to be worried about my legs

What other explanation can there be WB?! :)

Body language is fascinating wildernessgirl ... I'm sure you're right ... very well observed!!

Trailguide - lol - that's right, men are definitely the more unrefined of the species ;)<br />
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CME - Funny, it's usually the other way round!<br />
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Jimmy - After wear them tight pants for such a long time, you'd be lucky to have anything worth projecting into a crowd anyway ;)<br />
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bcj - having you heard song that goes - <br />
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Mediocre - *men all around the world all of a sudden are getting very self conscious about their stance*<br />
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Fascade - Of course it's true!

Wow - that's about the most ridiculous thing I've read. But, it could be true.<br />
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Maybe they're getting ready to be punched for their behavior.

hahaha, now you mention it ...

Well, we just can't win.<br />
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I walk around the party, mingle, greet the ladies, comment on their nice hair, dress, outfit,etc. Then later I take hidings from my lady for "flirting", or "loving the ladies too much".<br />
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So, I walk over to the guys and stand with my legs........................<br />
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Well you can tell by my avatar that I don't believe in the theory . That's ridiculous. This is my rock star stance.

Be honest -- you just like watching men spread their legs.

Oh wow! *smacks forehead* Yes, of course! I have noticed the legs apart thing but never connected it with ...well, showing off "equipment" to copmpetitors ;) Just can't hide the animal in us ;)

Roj does. I don't think there is a plant in the garden that he doesn't own! NIght Faucs :)

Glad I could enlighten you. Life will be all the more funnier now! Will you ever be able to walk through another construction site again without laughing??

******* himself laughing*