Science Killed God

I am being slightly melodramatic, but I would feel remiss if I didn't explain basic logical fallacies with the existence of god, or at least the concept people usually have of god.  I am a physics student.  I value logic and mathematics above all else.  Physics is the study of logic as it pertains to our universe.  So lets get one thing straight.  Lets operate under the assumption that the universe is logical, god or no god.  I.e. that god would create a universe in which cause precedes effect and the like, and he would set it up in such a way that he didn't have to logically contradict himself in order to perform the tasks which he preforms.

Firstly lets imbue our hypothetical god with the traditional omnipotence that most religions claim.  This means that god literally has the power to move galaxies.  So one inherent problem is there are only 4 forces in the universe, gravitational, electromagnetic, nuclear strong, and nuclear weak.  The issue is in order for god to have any significant interaction with something that massive, he himself would have to be that massive or have energy equivilant to that mass, and that would be the case for any of the forces I mentioned.  This means that there would be a sentient omnipotent being roughly as massive as a galaxy in our universe.  This results in two more problems.  If a body or assortment of bodies has the mass of a galaxy there is a minimum area that it can occupy before it becomes a singularity due to gravity.  Therefore god can only exist with that much mass (or energy) in a very large state, and I mean visibly from anywhere in the known universe large, otherwise he simply collapses into a black hole.  But if he's that large, then we can see him and prove he exists.  Hence no need for faith, which I'm told is something god wants from us.

Omniscience poses a different set of problems.  Prayer for instance.  Lets make the argument that god concerns himself with prayers, and that prayers move at the speed of light.  In order to get instantaneous results, which is the claim made by religion, god would have to live on the moon or roughly in that vicinity because as you start getting farther than that you get appreciable delays between when information can be sent to and received from Earth. And let's face it, if I pray to have myself saved from a giant ant eater or whatever, it does me no good to get a late answer to my prayers. So now we have a being thats as massive as a galaxy on the moon.

There are also logical falacies with the Idea that the thing that created the universe is itself part of the universe.  It seems, and is very likely the case that the energy that is in the universe is the energy that has always been in the universe i.e. energy has been conserved in the universe from it's beginnings.   If god is part of the universe then it is possible for us not to notice his influance because energy would be conserved, but if he is part of the universe then did he create himself? Conversely if he exists outside the universe we would be able to see his influance because we would see an increase in the total energy of the universe, with do a great degree of accuracy we can say we haven't seen.

Now none of these things disprove the existance of some intelegence greater than ourselves, somewhere in the universe, but the idea of any of the gods that I've herd of from religion is pretty far fetched, unless you assume that our universe isn't logical.  however if that's the case then you can simultaniously exist and not exist at the same time, effect can preceed cause, and well francly unicorns can fly out of your ***

akaima akaima
5 Responses Feb 19, 2010

Your post, while intelligently written, is ba<x>sed on a faulty premise. You see, recent developments in Quantum and Astro-Physics have shown us that the laws of the universe are far from being absolute. For example, a recent study's findings indicate that the strength of the electromagnetic force varies across the universe. <br />
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Given this possibility it certainly makes it plausible - if not necessary - for God to exist outside of the known laws of physics. This would, however, make perfect sense since an infinite being precludes definition - at least in terms our finite, limited minds could grasp.

Those are the four forces in the universe that science knows about. Are you 100% sure that there couldn't be more. <br />
Astronomy is an undeniable science that walks hand in hand with the Holy Bible. A video "The Star of Bethlehem" is a real eye opener.

I am sure about science - How can anyone dispute 100% Scientific proof ~ verses~ 100% imaginary !<br />
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It's wonderful to believe in something and be able to quietly ask for all kinds of things.... I'm sure it really helps to think someone is watching over you sitting there just judging everything you do for the big day when he comes to town... After all, he does get the deciding final vote regarding who's been a naughty boy - or - really nice girl all year....<br />
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Have a nice holiday . . . . Ho-Ho-Ho!!!!!

I'm not sure that god dosen't exist. That wasn't my claim. My claim is what god is, or rather what god is said to be, is always in the gaps of human understanding. As science illuminates more corners of our universe god's presence and participation always changes, even in the eyes of those who believe in him. Very few people today believe that Apollo drags the sun across the sky with a chariot. I just find it odd that religious people always rely on lack of disproof, rather than proof.

I can guarantee you, He doesn't question the existance of yOU!