IS This What You Do With a Degree On Women´s Studies ?..Really ? You don´t say !!! :-(

ummm...she made $3.7 million dollars - i'd call her a genius!

i'd more judge the guy - why the hell would he pay so much money for something as trivial as a woman's virginity? & what's the appeal to him? sounds like a creep if you ask me...but a rich one.

the whole thing sounds like a marketing ploy to sell movie and book rights or end up on the talk show circuit to cash in on it - maybe even turn it into a reality show





(it's high concept - it might work)

M&M: LMAO. I LOVE IT!



I think the person doing this is just changing tactics. She is have sex for money first and sex for love when she can afford it.

Ya gotta love any society free enough for people to sell cherries on Ebay.

This whole thread makes my head ache...

SoL - behind you 100%.

The involvement of the Bunny Ranch in promoting this story has been known, and I don't see the relevance of it or why that would make this a 'scam.' I'm not guaranteeing that she is a virgin, I'm just saying that the Bunny Ranch's involvement has no bearing on whether or not 'Natalie' has ever gotten busy.



Yet another thing that I find fascinating about this is that everyone is simply accepting that she is a virgin. It's very nearly impossible (and in some cases is) for even a doctor to tell such a thing.

Oh, poor Oprah, she has been scammed so many times... or is that a publicity stunt itself ? Anyway , I had to laugh when I read about "the priceless and rare commodity". Cant ignore the irony of this expression.

But still, Ick and double Ick.

UPDATE : O1-16-09



After reading the news yesterday I realized this is just another publicity scam.



The Moonlite Bunny Ranch in Nevada where Prostitution is Legal is the brothel arranging and hosting the deal. "Natalie is a virgin and would like to sell this priceless and rare commodity in a very exclusive and private setting," says the Bunny Ranch Director.



Virgin , my *** !! Perhaps the only unexplored territory on her body is her brain . Bidders in search of something never used before shoud try there.

Applause , SOL, Applause.

Wiser words were never spoken.

If I thought there was a chance that someone would pay me 1 million dollars let alone 3 to sleep with them, I would say yes in a heart beat. I don't think it makes me a bad person, a stupid person, a greedy person, nor an immoral person. I don't think it means I don't value myself as a person either.

Still, this is still a society where you are born a man, respect comes easier. Women still have to jump through this invisible hoops to even earn respect. Few women burn through those obstacles like the roadblocks never existed but it is difficult for many. These paths those few women take are still new. Not many roads for little girls to follow and look up to. Most little girls, if ambitious, still end up looking towards men as mentors.



Socially women have had some major breakthroughs, but economically it is still behind. Even politically there's still a way to go before the differentiation breaks down and there's no gender divide...just the basic qualification of the person without observing the difference of sex as a downfall.

SG- I get you. Honestly, I do. And jumping to the word repression might have been extreme and uncalled for, but it was only partly serious. It's a fatal flaw of mine, in fact I just wrote a story about it lol. What I wanted to say was that even though I might agree with your point, I considered your reaction a little bit of a stretch. But just a little, in my opinion. You do have a point.





If society holds this girl up as an ideal and inspires millions of little girls to do the same, then yes, that is horrible. I don't see that happening, though. You can see that on this board, she's being eviscerated. I'm not exactly keeping track, but I think there's less than 5 people here who aren't treating her choice as morally repugnant.





And yes, SG, I agree with the civilization sentiment as well, but it's also important to remember and remind ourselves daily that no matter how special we might trick ourselves into thinking we are, we remain just another species of primates.





It's noble to try to overcome our baser instincts in order to make smarter decisions. A man does that every time he has sex with a condom. He is over-riding his instinct to reproduce. We must (IMHO) acknowledge that those instincts are still incredibly powerful if we hope to be able to overcome them.

Hah! We have to remember, it's just a bid... he hasn't actually put up any money at all yet, has he.

It is very telling to me that when women express their opinion strongly some men fall back on telling us we are being irrational! (i.e. pms-ing) Of course men expressing themselves strongly is simply a man having strongly held opinions.



Whattup, my point about the website was NOT that it represented "repression" (your word), but that it pointed out the continuing the blind spots that society has about gender in our society.



To get back to the point at which this began... I do not deny this woman her right to sell her body... I do not deny this man the right to buy her body... whether I would ever do this or not is irrelevant! Certainly they have the right to do this and I would not interfere. I simply find it morally repulsive and personally repugnant. Further, I find that it reflects upon society. I believe it shows us how far we have to go to accept that women are more than their sexual parts and are also full human beings.



We can get all Darwinian about the origin of sex roles in society, but it would be good to remember that the roles we might play in a pure "state of nature" are not ones we accept anymore. Civilization is the attempt, clumsy at times, of humanity to overcome "natural" law and to regulate the interactions of people -- not to codify the law of the jungle.

Sick is right.



Prostitution? One job Madam and retirement? What can she ever do for an encore?

Oh dear this is going in so many directions, LOL





It's funny how these differences in opinion are starting to overlap, it's quite interesting.





SOL- I don't mean to rob you of hope that your first can be wonderful, I am pointing out that the odds of that happening are kind of low. The fact that you have made it this far says a lot about your strength of conviction, and you do it without the crutch of religious guilt, so you should be doubly applauded. I wish you luck in that department, you never know, you might meet Mr. Right without having to go thru so many Mr. Wrongs like so many of your fellow girlfriends on here. You are very smart, so I know you will make better choices than most. The world's not bleak, the world is what it is.





To me it just sounds like so many of the women who are upset about this don't want to acknowledge the way the world works. Women that men find attractive have tools at their disposal to exploit those men. Some wear revealing clothing or show some cleavage. Who denies this? He's exploiting her for her virginity, she's exploiting him for his money. Who's stooopider? That's debatable.





dubious: Nice point about testicle and penis size, but I see no reason to back off my claims. I can back up my claims with my own scientific sources (as I'm sure you can yours, so I'm not insulting your intelligence) If you don't want to read boring textbooks, "The Selfish Gene" by Dawkins is a fun read.

Intelligent arguments don't hold water with sarcasm, oh dubiousone.

oh dubiousone, I don't get into these discussions but I read them, every word. I have strong opinions about this. I am NOT PMSing as I don't have those parts anymore. Your true colors are very bright. Maybe you should tone them down to something less snarky if you want anyone to take you seriously.

Perfectly expressed, SOL

dubious, nice point. Of course I was referring to traditional sex between a man and woman (since my post was all about men and women) but didn't make that clear.



SG- again I acknowledge your opinion and agree that our society programs some very damaging ideas into the heads of young girls. Although I do think you're going a little far with the "adults" comment you made, lol. Clumsy labeling, yes. Insulting sexual repression? Er, probably not.



I know my last post had generalizations in it, but as much as us liberals hate stereotypes, they exist for a reason. Some assumptions are much more valid than others.



I already know that you and some others here do not 'fit' into some of the categories I talked about. Even if there are plenty of exceptions to rules about gender behavior, that doesn't mean we cannot make observations about gender behavior.



When it comes to reproduction there are biological differences which necessitate different goals and values between the sexes. That is why I can make a statement such as: it's easier for a woman to commit to 1 person for the rest of their life than it is for a man. That's a biological fact. Women want committed partners that can care for them as they carry a for nine months, it's in their best interest. Guys are not hampered by pregnancy. They produce millions of ***** to the 1 egg at a time of a woman. Their interest lies in spreading that seed as much as possible.



Does that excuse men for cheating? Does it don't have to respect monogamy and commitment because that is what their instincts and hormones want? No, not even close. It just means that you can safely make a statement that men will tend to cheat more than women will. It's not just a personality flaw or cultural, it's biological. It's an explanation, not an excuse. Two totally different things.



I bring up all of these biological differences because they do play a big role in how women and men confront sex and virginity.

The fact that you stand by the quote, dubiousone, says it all. Your opinions and attitude are noted. So too is the fact that you are apparently deliberately misconstruing what I am saying.

Whattup, your post is detailed, but inaccurate. I have my own beliefs and do not need or want to be told what I "want" or do "not want." You presume to do that several times in your posting, just as you also presume to speak for all men several times. I think it is better to speak only for oneself.



I do not in anyway argue that what this woman is doing is illegal. I think it is a shame and lamentable. I also think it is part of our society which insists on treating women as sex objects and not as fully equal people. Yes, that's right. Just yesterday I was pricing skis out and found this website: http://www.skipro.com/BrandSearch.aspx?CategoryID=48&Vendor=13 Why do I point it out? Because they are selling three sizes of ski... ADULT LADIES and JUNIOR Apparently, only men are adults... we "ladies" should just shut up and listen to the "adults" tell us what to do...



This woman has OPTIONS... or she at least should have options... a woman selling her virginity is part and parcel of a culture that DEFINES women as purely sexual. I certainly do NOT argue that men and women are not sexual beings, I know I am, (thank the goddess!), but I do NOT define myself purely in sexual terms. This woman is doing so, and the arguments flow from there.



As for the quote from South Park, I think it is beneath contempt. And yes, Whattup, I know you did not say it.

SG, I admire the tenacity with which you defend your convictions. It is noble. But I don't think I'm the only one here that's missing some points. Oh dear, I fear this will be a long post lol



I think the key point is that in our struggle to attain equality between the sexes, we have forgotten that there are key biological and psychological differences. We can strive for equal opportunities between the sexes, but we'll never the same. Let's look at the differences.



Sex is part of us. A significant part. That is reality. Men (in general) not only acknowledge that reality, they embrace it every second of every day. It's a function of testosterone. It puzzles women and ****** them off, but there's no denying it. Some women think they celebrate their sexuality and embrace it and consider themselves sexual. Compared to a man, though, you're not. Trust me.



Women do not want to be thought of as sexual objects, since that is the first instinct of men. It always has been. Men are pigs, we know.



Men on the other hand, would love to be objectified sexually. For example: I'm jealous of those teenage boys that got to get it on with their super hot teachers. Some of them were hot. Was it child abuse? In some cases yes, since they were barely in puberty. What about a 16 or 17 year old boy, would I consider that rape and abuse? No.



18=adult is an arbitrary number that our society has come up with. What magical event happens when someone reaches that number that makes them more prepared to deal with the issues that come with sex? There's not much difference between a 17 year old boy and an 18 year old boy, and it is hard to rape a man. The saying you can't rape the willing comes to mind.



Women want to be respected for their minds, but great intellect is to a large extent something that people are born with, just like their looks. To all you women out there that want to be respected for your minds and not your looks or your sexuality or your virginity, I ask why not? You are born with your great brains just as you are born with your great looks.



On the show House, the super pretty doctor Cameron asks him why he hired her. He tells the truth and says it's cuz she was qualified, and pretty. She gets super offended at that because she doesn't want her looks to be part of her worth, but why not? Her looks are a gift just like her brains, why deny that which gives her an advantage?



The girl in this story is capitalizing on her advantage because she found some idiot willing to part with 3.7 million dollars in order to have sex with her. Mutual consenting adults. You can teach your kids that this is wrong and distasteful and you would be disappointed in them if they did this.

I have no argument with you at all m0rec0wbell.... we have so sexualized our society that people are becoming numb to the images and messages... but for a supposedly educated woman, who has CHOICES to turn to public prostitution, that is sickening.

You could see it as the girl defining herself as a sexual object or you could see it as the girl recognizing reality, that society values sex. It always has and it always will. (I hope.) Some people trade on values. You can argue against it but that will not change human nature.

Arguing about what one could do with 3.7 million dollars, or whether or not someone's first intercourse was spectacular or not, completely misses the point here. The woman doing this and the man doing this are both complicit in an act of defining a woman as a purely sexual object. When someone does not see that this entire argument exists only because society allows, even perpetuates this view of women, it merely shows how pervasive this view is.

I'm lucky, my first time was so good I would not trade the memory of it for 3.7 million, never mind the actual event. Still, I do not fault the girl.

ok ladies, I assume none of you are still virgins. Think of your first time. What was it like? Was it with the love of your life? Are you still with this person? If you are, then this story should repulse you, because you know that if you did this, you wouldn't be with the current love of your life.



Now I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that none of you fit that description, none of you are currently married to the man you lost your virginity to. Could you use 3.7 million dollars at the moment?



This woman isn't trading her virginity in order to go to school and major in women's studies... she's trading her virginity so that she won't have to work another day in her life. A person with 3.7 million dollars can do a lot of good in this world, so if she does indeed go into women's studies, she might just turn out to be capable to help other people.



Think about your first guy, and think about when you were still kinda iffy on whether you wanted to go all the way with him. What if at that moment he was able to say "if you sleep with me I'll give you 3.7 million dollars"... you're saying that would make you NOT want to sleep with him?



Yes, it's a complete stranger. Just like the girls who get drunk and lose their virginity after going to a bar in college. Do you judge those women even more harshly? Because they're basically selling themselves too, but it's for less than a hundred dollars.

I would not want my daughter to do it. I like to think her first time was "magical" and money can't buy that. That said, I do not fault the woman in the story for knowing her own worth and being creative. Think about it. She is valueing herself very highly indeed. If she can handle it emotionally, separate her value in the market place from her value as a future romantic partner, I say more power to her! She certainly will have a lot to write about for her senior project!

I think auctioning off your body for any reason is gross, hymen , **** or your *******...I don't think it is clever, but to each his own.