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McCain...Desperate Or Just An Idiot?

What can I say about Sarah Palin that hasn't already been said or written? 

She's a gun-totin', moose-killin' and eatin', anti-abortionist, religious zealot who hates gays.  And she supports drilling in the Alaskan wilderness...and doesn't want the polar bear to be protected by the endangered species list.

She has NO experience.  She was the runner up for Miss Alaska.  She's a ******* ex-beauty pageant contestant...with absolutely NO foreign policy experience and she's a breathe away from being our president?  Holy hell.  

And, McCain and the Republican party is giving Obama **** for not having enough experience?  Um...can you say "hypocrisy"? 

I didn't think McCain could get any worse.  Yet, as always, the republicans never cease to amaze me....McCain, married to a plastic barbie woman, picks an ex-beauty pageant contestant, in the hopes that Hilary's supporters will vote for him?!!  WTF???

If he wanted to pick a female to run with him, there are so many more better choices.  Why Palin?  Is it because she's young (like his wife) and attractive (like his wife)?  Is it maybe because McCain is showing signs of dementia?  I don't know.  I don't get it.

And to touch on the whole Hilary thing.  If McCain choose Palin in the hopes of Hilary supporters voting for him, he is sadly mistaken.  Hilary is a smart, sassy, strong, bitchy (in the best sense of the term) woman.  Her supporters are the same types of women.  You think that just because Hilary is no longer running and McCain now has a woman VP that we are all just gonna vote for him because, "Hey!!  Vagina!!" 

Hell no.  Hilary's fans ans supporters liked her because of what she had to say, because of what she believed in, because of her ethics and morals and stance on certain issues.  Not because she had boobs.  These women are going to vote for the person who most resembles her in those ideals.  Obama. 

And, another thing that totally ****** me off is the whole "18 million cracks" comment:

“It was rightly noted in Denver this week that Hillary Clinton left 18 million cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceilings in American.  But, it turns out that the women of America aren’t finished yet, and we can still shatter that glass ceiling once and for all.”

Yeah...you know why?  Because Hilary already did all the hard work by putting those 18 million cracks into the ceiling.  Palin will just have to lightly tap on that glass and she'll be through.  With no effort what-so-ever.  Great.  Fan-*******-tastic.

 

CuriosityKitten CuriosityKitten 31-35, F 120 Responses Aug 30, 2008

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Oh, and hell yes! Right ON!!! What more can I say!!

Well, happy day to you, too.

and your a baby killing drug supporting anti gun anti hunting ( ps we are human we need to eat meat hello! its only nature! we have these teeth for a reason ) left wing socialist communist nut job that thinks we should all bow down to obama when frankly he has less experience Sarah and i bet u think im some realigns freak right? well im not i don't go to church im not Christian im WICCAN ! i eat meat cause its natural not cause i like killing animals same with Sarah but i respect your beliefs and would never say any thing that would make u mad unless u did something = to it

Let's see what you've missed, in your rhetoric of Pallin, CK....<br />
You have to stack what you can, in order to make her look bad, as she attempts to protect the unborn.<br />
You seem to think that killing a moose is worse than killing deer and I'll tell you, without the annual hunters, here, thinning out the deer population, we'd be hitting them, every time we go to town.<br />
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Although you can assume McCain is "showing signs of dementia," he is still, was and will be a much better choice, than the Muslim zealot, occupying the White House (after lying his way into that residence).<br />
Not only has Obama gone out of his way to rub noses (and other body parts) with countries, whose sold allegience is to wipe us out, he has also gone out of his way to say things about America that <br />
should be understood are his opinion - ALONE - but are taken as fact because this RACIST, whose wife is the the epitome of ugliness (and thinks she's Miss America - by the way, remember, Michelle wasn't proud of her citizenship until Barrack's lies got him elected and she would have a new address for at least four years<br />
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You're proof, however, that "women, in America, aren't finished (running y'all's mouths, without knowing what you're talking about) yet."

I would.

I'M CURIOUS. HOW MANY OF YOU ALL THAT WANTED OBAMA IN OFFICE, WOULD REELECT HIM NOW?

me too! Got me to put a picture up too. I haven't visited here before I will have a look round your blog. I have been filming mad Muslims for years and putting stuff up, do take a look I always value input from all sides..

It's not me, but I'm loving the pic!!

Yeah. Some woman in Hollywood. I'd have to ask my mad republican buddies cos I am **** at links. they are going a bit ballistic at the moment but I understand fevers are high..<br />
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Is that a picture of you with a gun in your underwear? You look great.

I certainly hope not. And if it is....then they couldn't possibly have been true Hilary supporters.

is that right?

Hang on.. I heard this tactic was actually working. I've seen prominent former Hillary supporters coming out for Palin no?

CNN is not as liberal as you might think. They provided an editorial (disclaimer and all, and with a link to an 'alternative view') that attacked Palin for being a nobody, having no experience, Troopergate, etc etc..<br><br />
But they also had a NEWS article from one of their writers that editorially referred to Palin as a 'maverick game-changer' in a non-editorial context. Like it was a fact. <br><br />
So.. read CNN carefully. They tend to lean one way or another sometimes.

And I WAS the president of my Spanish Club in high school. So, I have just about as much experience as she does...and I'm bilingual....kind of....

So, CK and I are friends, I am from Canada. Soooo.... CK should be president because of her great foreign relations.

OMG...I SAW that. Jon Stewart from the Daily Show responded with something like, "Well, Alaska is near the North Pole, too, so she must be friends with Santa." Dear lord...that's hilarious!!

Nadar...that's a wonderful compliment. Thank you so much.

Elfinsong...you saw Obama speak? Wow...was that amazing??

OMG...AP...thank you. You should have been here earlier...I got blasted for being "immature" about the way I brought this across..whatever...lol....<br />
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And, darare...how right you are. Just because Palin has boobs and Hilary has boobs, doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for Palin now that I can't vote for Hilary. Why? Because I think for myself. Much like the rest of Hilary's supporters do.

She's a heart beat away from running the most powerful country on earth. And most of her experience is beauty pageants. Um....

I need to share this - only, I wish it was from MY pen :P<br />
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Gov. Sarah Palin is the least known Vice Presidential nominee of a major party in our history. The McCain campaign will try to spin a positive story about her this week, but the American people are entitled to some facts along the way. Here are five questions she must answer:<br />
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1. The Buchanan question. I don't approve of what Rep. Robert Wexler did today, basically calling Gov. Palin anti-semitic by association. If Gov. Palin is guilty by her association with Pat Buchanan, then so is Sen. Obama for his associations with Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. I don't believe in guilt by association. But I do think she owes the country an explanation. What part of Buchanan's message appealed to her? What positions has she changed and why? What part of Buchanan's message does she still embrace.<br />
2. The Troopergate question. There's a budding scandal in Alaska over the firing of the state's Public Safety Commissioner and whether the governor tried to pressure that commissioner to fire her ex-brother in law, who was a state trooper. It sounds serious -- an independent legislative inquiry is underway and the Governor is expected to be deposed soon. Gov. Palin must pledge to cooperate fully with the investigation and not to hide behind executive privilege claims or drag out the investigations past the election.<br />
3. The pipeline question. Gov. Palin supports a pipeline that will send natural gas to Canada, not the U.S. This natural gas is essential for Canada's shale oil extraction program -- but is this in the best interests of the U.S. energy interests?<br />
4. The creationism question. Gov. Palin believes that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in science classes. The Supreme Court is unambiguous on this matter -- it's considered a violation of the establishment clauses of the Constitution. Does she believe that state and local government should defy the courts in this manner?<br />
5. The experience question. How did being mayor of a town of 9000 Alaskans -- best known for its gravel pits -- and 18 months in office governing a state of 670,000 -- prepare her to govern the world's richest, most powerful nation? She's claiming more experience than Barack Obama -- when has she ever taken a public position on a foreign policy matter? Has she ever traveled abroad? Can she name five foreign leaders?<br />
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Palin needs to answer these five questions not with convention spin, but in a press conference. She has never been on a national public affairs show like Meet The Press. She hasn't been asked about major public policy issues by anyone other than the Alaska press.<br />
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This is a major leap in the dark Sen. McCain has proposed. He is a 72 year old man with a history of cancer. He owes the nation a Vice Presidential candidate who not only is ready to be President, but who the American people have an opportunity to test and become comfortable with. This year, we have a 10 week sprint to the finish line in our Presidential race. <br />
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If we're going to start to get to know Gov. Palin, the McCain campaign owes the public answers -- and access -- right now.

And...guess who works for an oil company? Her hubby. Yup.

She's fought Republican corruption? Alaska's economy is dependent on oil. Case closed. :P<br />
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Oh, and she's been governor for about 21 months. Tons of experience there.

No, the current system isn't like the electoral college. We don't vote specifically for our Prime Minister. Canada is divided up into 'ridings', and each riding has different MP candidates from different parties to choose from. The choices of the voters are not necessarily made according to party lines; there's a fair share of bullshit, but actual ISSUES are what usually end up being voted on.<br />
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On a ballot in my riding, I'd most likely have a choice between the Liberal, Conservative, New Democratic, and Green parties. There are a few independents here and there. In the West, there used to be the Reform party, and Quebec has always had the Bloc Québécois. They don't even run candidates in ridings outside of Quebec. But anyways, this system tries to be fair, but there's a major flaw. Any way you look at it, a lot of votes are not really counted, and many voters are left without a voice.<br />
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http://www.wayneon.ca/democracy/PRSimulator/OntarioResultsChart2000.gif<br />
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That's an example of the problem from the 2000 election. It happens every election. The NDP get 17-22% of the national vote, but only get 23 seats, whereas the Bloc has 8-12% of the national vote, and get 53 seats. The Liberals won 95 out of 103 seats in Ontario, and this is despite the fact that half of Ontarians voted for a different party. Weird, eh? The system needs a changin', but not as badly as yours does :P

How can you possibly say she has more experience than Obama?

She has more experience than obama.Hes been a senator for 2 or 3 years and spent most of that time trying to become president.she may be small town but she was and is Governor of Alaska,fought corruption again repuplicans,her own people and she knows about and feels certain about oil drilling in other places so we wont be so dependant on foreign oil.

It sounds a lot like our Electoral College...am I right?

haha, I enjoyed that, AuroraBorealis ;)<br><br><br><br />
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CK and burro - popular vote makes sense to me.. with the current political realities of the US. It's strange to me how you can only choose between two people and two parties. Nobody else has a chance, and independents are hounded for splitting votes from whichever demographic. I started to digress.. but anyways, yes, the electoral college does not reflect the will of the majority of Americans in some circumstances - which is NOT really democracy.<br><br><br><br />
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The Canadian system makes a hell of a lot more sense, but it could still be better. Last election, as we cast our ballots for our favorite MP, we also had to vote on a new system of voting. Proportional representation, or the old way. Unfortunately, I think the powers-that-be didn't want the new way, and made the wording of it a bit confusing. Another problem was that most people didn't care, or were fine with the current system.<br><br><br><br />
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Anyways, proportional respresentation would be based on the popular vote. MPs who won their seats would obviously keep them, but extra seats would be made available for parties that received a certain number of votes. Otherwise, as in the current system, parties that have millions of people supporting them don't have a voice because they don't have any seats in parliament. So those people also don't have a voice. You follow me? Based on the new system, a dark horse party like the Green Party would get at least 10 or 12 seats out of 308 just based on the popular vote. I think that is very fair. What do you think about this idea that was rejected by our voters?

You're right. God forbid America elects someone, anyone who actually thinks for himself. Is that too much to ask???

ROFL <br />
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Aurora nailed it! :D

"The Electoral College is bullshit. The government is supposedly "for the people, by the people." Then why aren't ALL of our votes counted? Popular vote is the only fair way to go." <br />
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I agree completely. <br />
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Isn't it amazing how common scene just doesn't apply to politics?

"When we heard about what's-her-name being McCain's pick for VP it took quite a while to stop laughing. Then all we could do is look at each other, shake our heads, and murmer WTF over and over again." <br />
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ROFL

The Electoral College is bullshit. The government is supposedly "for the people, by the people." Then why aren't ALL of our votes counted? Popular vote is the only fair way to go.

FallaciesAppease - I agree, the electoral college is stupid. It's an archaic system that doesn't apply today. It's useless and only messes up the process. <br />
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As for the president having too much power. He didn't until the Patriot Act created loopholes that when used with executive privilege basically gives a wartime president the power to do whatever he wants and not be accountable. It's scary, but that basically how much power he has now... as long as we're at war.

Exactly.

Oh - about the bridge to nowhere. The funds were approved for that.. the $400 million. The funds were given to Alaska. They just didn't build the bridge. When it was suggested that the money be given to the victims of Katrina, Alaska (Alaska's representatives, I should add) said no, even though the bridge was not going to be built. Hooray, Alaska.

Wow, you guys were busy on this thread last night.. anyways, I was just thinking - why does the US have a Congress? If they don't vote to declare war, the president can just attack a country anyways, but without calling it a war. ?? Any legislation that passes can just be vetoed by the president, right? And the whole FISA thing.. there's just too much executive power. I think the American system is bullshit. Same with the electoral college.

Nice!!

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That's a good quote, Veevie. I like it!!

She's part of an anti-abortion lobbyist group called Feminists For Life...<br />
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Saying "quack" doesn't make you a duck.

VW......I agree in that Palin, a woman, who considers herself a feminist is anti-abortion, anti-a woman's right to choose...that boggles my mind and scares the hell out of me.

Well, Bush is really rude and oppressive... <br />
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I'm surprised to hear that Ghandi is not respected though. I'm almost afraid to ask why.

No worries, Veevie!!

Yet the BBC is a free news network that operates outside goverment control for the English people. I thought England had stopped oppressing India. Are they still??

And just to clarify: by "media" I was referring to the major TV networks.

"Dude...I know...I was wrong...I admitted it."<br />
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If that was to me - sorry. I didn't see that. As I said, I fell behind. I was trying to catch up.<br />
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But I thought it was worth pointing out even if it had been cleared up. It's a big point. <br />
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Sorry. :)

The republican agenda is full of lies and disinformation. That's not to say the democrats are saints; but let's be honest here. We all know the media is owned by the few dominant corperations in this country. The news is biased to favor their bosses. And the current administration is giving them tax breaks, and who knows what else. So who do you think the news media will favor?

Dude...I know...I was wrong...I admitted it.

"I think the President can declare war without the okay from the House/Senate"<br />
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I fell a little behind with my absense but, that is absolutely not true! Why do you think we've been so pissed off for the last 6 years? I mean, besides all the other stuff.

Thank goodness you're here CC...like I said, I should have paid more attention in my Government classes!! <br />
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And for the record, I really am not an idiot...just, well, not so up on the inner workings of things...LOL...

Good luck, my friend.

I totally agree with you. If McCain wanted to choose a woman, he could have picked a more....experienced and "proper" woman to run with. I think him choosing her to be his running mate just cost him the election.

I think the President can declare war without the okay from the House/Senate...but I don't quite remember my high school government classes!! LOL

CC...I was gonna say that...I knew that...I was just trying to make it easier to explain. Have we ever seen a Conservative Republican select a Liberal Democrat? Or vice versa? Can you imagine THAT election??

Meditative...you are correct...corruption is corruption no matter what the title.<br />
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Regarding the change...I think its hard for the President to make certain changes if the House/Senate vote against it....

Veevie...you don't have to explain to me. I agree...don't underestimate the stupidity of humans. So many people say they hate what Bush did to this country, but those same people will vote for McCain...who will continue to do the same damn thing.

CK - My original point was that I think it's more about getting the ignorant vote than the female vote. A lot of people voted for Bush without really knowing any of the fact or seeing the debates, just because he was personable and seemed like a regular guy. Even though he's not a regular guy at all but a rich kid from a Fortune 500 family; but those same people may vote for McCain because Palin appears to be just a regular Christian working mom. That's the idiot vote. <br />
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Meditative - Yes, "running mate" is the Vice Presidential choice of each candidate. Generally the Vice President works a lot with foreign policy and diplomacy... or in Cheney's case - conquest. (joke nobaddays)

Prime Minister just sounds so much better than President.

The Republican nominee selects a republican running mate and the Democrat nominee selects a democrat running mate. The President isn't always the same party as the majority of our House and Senate.

Running mate is the person running for Vice President. If the president is killed or impeached or passes from natural causes, the Vice President would take office.

That's a good point, Veevie...voting for someone because of something so insipid. Like how McCain thinks us women folk will vote for him because his running mate has a vagina.

LOL

Haha well then I guess there is little reason to be angry.

The "idiot votes" comment was mine. But I stand by it wholeheartedly. Anyone who votes for a presidential candidate based on how fun they'd be at a barbeque... is an idiot.

I said nothing about idiot votes.

I would say it's a combination of both. I agree that I don't find mccain or his running mate to be good candidates, but the way you voiced that opinion included a lot of trashtalking. I just don't think it's a good way to go about voicing one's opinion. It seemed rude and closed minded to me. Especially the comments about "idiot votes."

Thank goodness....Obama is a new beginning. It's been a hellish 8 years.

McCain losing his mind isn't such a warm thought. I don't think I can stand watching Palin run our beloved country. :(<br />
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(Had to reword and repost because it sounded like I supported McCain! *cringe*)

Oh, she's not gonna be running out country...Obama will.

"And I gotta admit, the masochist comment even made me laugh, lol."<br />
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LOL Good. The irony comment was only meant to get a laugh also. No vemon. I just didn't want to argue with someone who didn't want to listen. So I poked fun. :)

Oh, warmthoughts...welcome and I totally agree. McCain is losing it in his old age.

"It's not the "manner" I wrote in, it's what I wrote that offended you."<br />
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I certainly wasn't offended. But I agree with you. So I guess you're right.

I think he's just developing alzheimers dementia

Veevie- truce, and I agree, If anyone could get pregnant, society would be very different indeed.<br />
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And I gotta admit, the masochist comment even made me laugh, lol.

It's not like they hand out abortions on the street corner. The first trimester is ample time to make your decision, and not a lot of doctors will do the procedure. They aren't forced to do it if they're against it. It's up to the doctor, as it should be. But it's also up to the woman... as it should be.

I don't see how expressing my opinions in the manner that I did was offensive to anyone who disagreed. I didn't say anything bad about YOU or anyone else in my post. I simply wrote what I felt and I can't help it if you were offended because you didn't agree. It's not the "manner" I wrote in, it's what I wrote that offended you...but those are my opinions. I have a right to those.

And I respect that we do not share the same opinion. My purpose in entering this thread in the first place was not to disagree with your opinion CK, as for the most part I am in agreement. I simply hoped I could convince you to express them in a manner that was not so offensive to anyone who held differing opinions. Obviously I failed miserably as I am no better at keeping calm under fire as anyone else in this thread was.<br />
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CC- thus I would only choose to bad a small percentage of abortion.

"I think this might be the beginning of a little love fest, no??" <br />
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I may be tolerant, but I'm not a masochist.

As for your comment about the "get out of jail free card," that's horrible, but you can't let the actions of a few determine the rights of the many. Those girls should be accountable for their own actions. Abortion is NOT birth control. And nobody WANTS an abortion. But if men could get pregnant, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

I think this might be the beginning of a little love fest, no??

Fair enough. I just tuned back into it and realized you were done with the mudslinging. <br />
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Truce.

Yes veevie I make mistakes too, like when I allowed passion to guide my speech instead of logical thinking at the beginning of this thread.<br />
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Now that this thread is commanded more by level thinking rather than passion, I myself would appreciate it if you joined the discussion or left, rather than jumping in to fuel the garbage slinging this thread was originally full of.

I, for one, think abortion is acceptable in any case. I think there are WAY too many unloved and neglected and abused children in the world already.

I also recognize that there are people who simply see abortion as a "get out of jail free card" of sorts for an accidental procreation in which the child could be raised well. I have been told by girls my age that they are okay with having sex because if they get pregnant, they can just get an abortion. I think this attitude is unbelieveably warped and that it is all to common among youth these days. That's why I think abortion should be tightly controlled.

"Everyone says dumb things sometimes, or becomes so passionate about something that they lose their ability to restrain their speech." <br />
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Again with the irony! You're just a comedy machine, aren't you?

Yes, I understand there are many extreme circumstances in which abortion may be the best option, including possible major birth defects, high risk of serious complications, rape, ******, etc, that is why I have said, and continue to say, abortion should be illegal except in extreme circumstances which include but are not limited to the circumstances that have been mentioned in this thread.

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If someone is aware enough to know that the child will be born into a bad situation, addiction, abuse, poverty, I think abortion is a responsible thing to do. Do you know how many times, in the course of a day because of my job, that I see and hear about abused and molested children because they're moms just keep having children? And if abortion were readily available to these women, these kids would never have felt the pain and torture and neglect from their parents.

Exactly. It is very hard for a professional politician to understand the best way to run the country.

Yes, of I formed my opinion of you based only on this story, I would believe you were and idiot, and I don't feel bad about that at all. Everyone says dumb things sometimes, or becomes so passionate about something that they lose their ability to restrain their speech.<br />
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Of course I've heard of birth control. I also know that none of them are 100% effective, and thus some children are going to be created accidentally. That does not, in my opinion, justify an abortion.