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This is a bit of a stupid group it doesn't take into consideration of the fact that some people have absolute faith in what they believe and instead of seeing religion as an evil thing they see it as something to enhance ones life plus christianity is not the only religion in the world by the way and most of these comments are because of peoples experience with only one religion which in a lot of scholars eyes has failed mankind because corruption has spoiled it just like corruption has destroyed democracy! The world of athiests are just as capable of corrupting/brainwashing kids just like religion so does that mean children should be protected from all adults opinions whether it's athiest or religious, scientific (science is always changing). Does that mean if ones morals are good we can't educate or influence our kids either because that is still brainwashing, what if i want my kid to be a thief or a liar and a cheat, you see everything is brainwashing. If my religion teaches tolerance and humility should it be swept under the carpet because it is harmful? You see religious people actually believe certain behaviour does not go unpunished and not educating children would create the most miserable after life for the living entity so if we life by your philosophy then it would be rediculous! Please remember your words condemn every belief system and no way do you know them all in depth which means it is blind prejudice and ignorance that makes people hate all religions. I wish people were more understanding and respectful instead of blind condemnation, it's not very nice when one is peaceful and religious and some ignorant sod spits on me and sticks his fingers up at me for being religious, i don't force my beliefs either, oh and there is more abuse than that aswell. So very shallow indeed.
Anandadas Anandadas 41-45, M 58 Responses Nov 27, 2011

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I haven't been on here for a few days and still not one person has actually talked about the issue I have raised about the pejudiced tittle. Now I've been analysed for asking the questioin and conclusions were made obviously born from hatred and envy, so sad hey! <br />
I give in trying to talk about this because the lack of response just says it all!!!!! Thank you!

Let me just suggest that the lack of continued response here has much more to do with your inability or unwillingness to carry on a closely-reasoned discussion. I am certainly not out to insult, punish, belittle, or offend you, but my comments (and those of many others) receive little in the way of actual response, but instead get rather harsh sarcasm and an explosion of tangential and loud 'gotcha' points wielded like cudgels. The difficulty lies in staying interested when any real desire on your part to explore the issue seems to be gone.

Well if my question or comment is completely ignored why should I move on from that and answer other question which are asking me personal stuff instead of it being a discussion. So tell me why you can't or won't discuss it?

It's obvious why it's being iognored and you know it!!!! It's the truth and not one person wants to admit to being prejudiced! That is why I have stuck to it too, to prove that it is a prejudiced tittle because not one person has even tried to defend against my accusations instead they look for a way of putting me or my belief down. It is so obvious so please don't try and blame me, how many times have I asked and still not one person has respected the situation and discussed things properly and that is my fault, It's the fault of the prejudiced fool who wrote the tittle in the first place! Pass the buck on me hey.

I really do not give a stuff about the lack of response, it's the lack of communication because the prejudiced people can't be bothered to justify their prejudiced behaviour....TSK

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Would you agree <br />
that if I raised my child with the beliefs of Nazis it would be child abuse?<br />
If I taught my children that the cultural revolution of Mao's China was a blueprint for their life it would be child abuse?<br />
If I taught my children that the universe is only 6000 years old, that men and women were created by an invisible super man who created them just as they are today it would be child abuse?<br />
If I taught them that a fulfilling life is one spent chanting in a corner, would that be child abuse?<br />
If I teach my children that humans rode dinosaurs.......well, you get my point and possibly the reason for the name of this group

The Nazi thing is something that has happened to a lot of families but it is not an actual religion. How is that a connection? How many religious scriptures tell us to hate our neighbours or hate jews or other religions. Not just christian scriptures either so please don't just focus on that scripture!

If I go by your standards then I think teaching a child speculative theories is child abuse especially when science changes as much as it does. Evolution has never been proved. Did they really get passed the van allen belt to land on the moon because it was making the Russians very sick indeed! Normalising animal abuse is abuse. Belonging to a country that pollutes the earth and their schools teach you to carry on abusing the earth is abuse. The **** in the USA is abuse for children teaching them that women should be used for sex and whatever else you desire and don't think your kids don't find your ****! Bringing up children differently with much better schools for white families and bad underfunded schools for the blacks is abuse for all children if you want to talk about nazis and racism. The list goes on and these are real issues instead of creating more hate!

Something to enhance ones life, believers are to be salt and light! Jesus used the concepts of salt and light a number of different times to refer to the role of His followers in the world. One example is found in Matthew 5:13: “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.” Salt had two purposes in the Middle East of the first century. Because of the lack of refrigeration, salt was used to preserve food, especially meat which would quickly spoil in the desert environment. Believers in Christ are preservatives to the world, preserving it from the evil inherent in the society of ungodly men whose unredeemed natures are corrupted by sin (Psalm 14:3; Romans 8:8). <br />
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Second, salt was used then, as now, as a flavor enhancer. In the same way that salt enhances the flavor of the food it seasons, the followers of Christ stand out as those who “enhance” the flavor of life in this world. Christians, living under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and in obedience to Christ, will inevitably influence the world for good, as salt has a positive influence on the flavor of the food it seasons. Where there is strife, we are to be peacemakers; where there is sorrow, we are to be the ministers of Christ, binding up wounds, and where there is hatred, we are to exemplify the love of God in Christ, returning good for evil (Luke 6:35).<br />
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In the analogy of light to the world, the good works of Christ’s followers are to shine for all to see. The following verses in Matthew 5 highlight this truth: “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven” (Matthew 5:14-16, NASB). The idea here is similar—the presence of light in darkness is something which is unmistakable. The presence of Christians in the world must be like a light in the darkness, not only in the sense that the truth of God’s Word brings light to the darkened hearts of sinful man (John 1:1-10), but also in the sense that our good deeds must be evident for all to see. And indeed, our deeds will be evident if they are performed in accordance with the other principles which Jesus mentions in this passage, such as the Beatitudes in Matthew 5:3-11. Notice especially that the concern is not that Christians would stand out for their own sake, but that those who looked on might “glorify your Father who is in heaven” (v. 16, KJV).<br />
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In view of these verses, what sorts of things can hinder or prevent the Christian from fulfilling his or her role as salt and light in the world? The passage clearly states that the difference between the Christian and the world must be preserved; therefore, any choice on our part which blurs the distinction between us and the rest of the world is a step in the wrong direction. This can happen either through a choice to accept the ways of the world for the sake of comfort or convenience or to contravene the law of obedience to Christ.<br />
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Mark 9:50 suggests that saltiness can be lost specifically through a lack of peace with one another; this follows from the command to “have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other.” And in Luke 14:34-35, we find a reference to the metaphor of salt once again, this time in the context of obedient discipleship to Jesus Christ. The loss of saltiness occurs in the failure of the Christian to daily take up the cross and follow Christ wholeheartedly.<br />
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It seems, then, that the role of the Christian as salt and light in the world may be hindered or prevented through any choice to compromise or settle for that which is more convenient or comfortable, rather than that which is truly best and pleasing to the Lord. Moreover, the status of salt and light is something which follows naturally from the Christian’s humble obedience to the commandments of Christ. It is when we depart from the Spirit-led lifestyle of genuine discipleship that the distinctions between ourselves and the rest of the world become blurred and our testimony is hindered. Only by remaining focused on Christ and being obedient to Him can we expect to remain salt and light in the world.<br />
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I prefer to enhance not deal with negativism, and to share the light though I am but a candle ready to be snuffed out at any moment. But I would rather burn out having given light that, sitting in the darkness. Have a blessed day. :-)

Quoting christian scriptures is not going to help the cause in here, only impartiality will help!!!

It was not so much quoting, but references. I could have used this quote, "A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." William James (1842-1910) or perhaps "Some would rather die than think.."Bertrand Russell (1872-1970). Are you familiar with concept of references?

Okay, to start off with a fresh thought....dang I even remember when this group was created...<br />
So you dislike how prejudiced the title of this group is? Eh, you aren't alone, there were about 5-7 stories in this group that generally agreed, but felt calling it "child abuse" was rather strong.<br />
There are currently 104 stories in this group, by 75 separate authors, so there is some cross-over, and on at least one occasion, I believe, a double post of a story.<br />
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11 of the stories posted, were generally considered trolls; they did not try to discuss viewpoints or share experiences, but usually just quoted verses and explanations of said verses.<br />
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6 of the stories were from people who agreed with this group so long as their own religion is exempt. <br />
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7 of the stories disagreed with this group, but had original work in the post, they didn't necessarily fit a standard definition of trolling.<br />
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44 of the stories agreed with the group, and either had discussions, or were passing on examples that had reached the news or their community, or their own perspectives.<br />
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35 of the stories had authors who self-identified themselves as considering their own childhood consisting of abuse in the form of religion.<br />
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My point is, so your incensed about the title of it, that perhaps it presumes that, for example, you are abusing your child by raising them with your religion. I can understand that somewhat in a perspective stance. However, 1/3 of the stories in this group were from people who they themselves experienced abuse during childhood due to religion, and shared it to the group. To me, stories like that are the bread and butter and positive reasons for groups like this; for people with similar experiences to share and help with each other.<br />
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I'm not sure if you are aware, but if you dislike the title of the group, unless EP has changed it's processes recently, I'm pretty sure there is nothing that can be done, especially since whoever created the group has abandoned EP. If this is not enough, then I and EP invite you to make or join a counter-group, and share with like-minded individuals there, and with all probability the occasional muck-rucker who treads into such a group.

Thank you for your words which was very interesting indeed until it became personal and you assumed things about my children. I really can't talk about such a personal subject because I value my children a lot and cannot and will not have a childish exchange involving such a personal thing, it is very immature the way people just want to offend or show off their intelligence. I would rather sit back and watch people speculate which is what most philosophies are based on and laugh at the assumptions. No wonder there is so much conflict!

I don't believe I have presumed anything about your children other than that they exist and you teach them of your beliefs, and hence the epoch of your problem with the group's presumptuous title. If that's personal then I'm sorry, but it seems to be the bud of your beef with this group; all I was trying to say that, in the most literal of interpretations I can understand your perspective of distaste towards a group name like this.

Anandadas--<br />
The most difficult thing about this long exchange is the inescapable feeling that you do not want to actually explore this issue with other people. It is hard to filter out what sounds like anger/defensiveness, which rarely helps in discovering the areas in which people agree, and where they diverge in their views. I would genuinely be interested in finding out what you feel is appropriate regarding the exposure of children to religion of any stripe. Do you think this would be possible?

Why explore when my point is just ignored all the time, I will be banging my head against the wall and I haven't come accross anyone who deserves to know my belief. Why would i try and discuss with people who just want to attack first? My false ego and pride isn't that big that they need massaging by showing off!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, Ananadas, I am NOT being rude. I am being observant. If you take offence, you should look to the source of the offence (you), and not the reporter of it (me).<br />
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That said, I've asked you a couple of times to review your strange and hyperbolic comments, and you refuse to do so. As this is clearly a waste of my time, I'll now unsubscribe from the thread and leave you alone with your psychosis. <br />
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Not one person has actually discussed the fact that the tittle is prejudiced and after being called a child abuser I think that any person has the right to be angry, I wasn't the one who started the offensive thread so do what you like but stop avoiding the subject, if you can't discuss it then you are doing me a favour by ignoring me and maybe someone else might want to actually discuss things properly, no way has one of you even touched what i want to discuss and i was the one that started this room.! One rule for you and another for me hey, I'm the idiot for getting frustrated when ignorance is all i have seen off all of you except one person who understood what i was talking about. Being judgemental without full knowledge of certain human beings is a form of prejudice, why don't you focus on that instead of wanting to debate the existence of God. Please don't pretend to hate racism when you condemn so many beliefs and cultures which are very much reliant on their beliefs, I just want you to realise that sweeping statements are very insulting especially saying that people abuse their kids. Please think before opening ones mouth in the first place. ...Please understand what IRONY is!

Can anyone discuss the tittle and how offensive and provocative it is?

Can anyone discuss the tittle and how offensive and provocative it is?

No, Ananadas, I am NOT being rude. I am being observant. If you take offence, you should look to the source of the offence (you), and not the reporter of it (me).<br />
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That said, I've asked you a couple of times to review your strange and hyperbolic comments, and you refuse to do so. As this is clearly a waste of my time, I'll now unsubscribe from the thread and leave you alone with your psychosis. <br />
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Not one person has actually discussed the fact that the tittle is prejudiced and after being called a child abuser I think that any person has the right to be angry, I wasn't the one who started the offensive thread so do what you like but stop avoiding the subject, if you can't discuss it then you are doing me a favour by ignoring me and maybe someone else might want to actually discuss things properly, no way has one of you even touched what i want to discuss and i was the one that started this room.! One rule for you and another for me hey, I'm the idiot for getting frustrated when ignorance is all i have seen off all of you except one person who understood what i was talking about. Being judgemental without full knowledge of certain human beings is a form of prejudice, why don't you focus on that instead of wanting to debate the existence of God. Please don't pretend to hate racism when you condemn so many beliefs and cultures which are very much reliant on their beliefs, I just want you to realise that sweeping statements are very insulting especially saying that people abuse their kids. Please think before opening ones mouth in the first place. ...Please understand what IRONY is!

Mr godless i just looked at your profile and your just a fat offensive yank who is a typical example of american arrogance, telling everyone how they have to live! Your way is the only way! Your just like the leaders of your country and that is a lot to be ashamed of. You lived in your racist country, come on it wasn't that long ago you had slaves and in some places they still treat blacks like **** like they are slaves. How bloody dare you arrogant fools tell people how to live. The violence in america is unbelievable and putting people in prison just to make money out of it is sick, I do know about that! How the hell did Martin Luther King Airport get changed into Bush Airport and the park in Houston, the Bush family are war mongers and you all let them get away with it because the television over there is sick, come on turning religion into a business with the shows they put on the television. Barbera Bush owns the canteen business in texas prisons to make money out of criminals.The daughter had an abortion which was forced on the daughter by president bush because he was worried about his reputation at the time!!! How do you allow these crazy people into power and now you have a black president who has not done anything about racism in the USA!!!!!......................................................................................................................................................................................................... Oh by the way I'm being ironic to show you how narrow minded prejudice is and I know every person is an individual but it does show you what and how you are perceiving religion with your very limited experiences well that is pure arrogance!!!

Mr godless i just looked at your profile and your just a fat offensive yank who is a typical example of american arrogance, telling everyone how they have to live! Your way is the only way! Your just like the leaders of your country and that is a lot to be ashamed of. You lived in your racist country, come on it wasn't that long ago you had slaves and in some places they still treat blacks like **** like they are slaves. How bloody dare you arrogant fools tell people how to live. The violence in america is unbelievable and putting people in prison just to make money out of it is sick, I do know about that! How the hell did Martin Luther King Airport get changed into Bush Airport and the park in Houston, the Bush family are war mongers and you all let them get away with it because the television over there is sick, come on turning religion into a business with the shows they put on the television. Barbera Bush owns the canteen business in texas prisons to make money out of criminals.The daughter had an abortion which was forced on the daughter by president bush because he was worried about his reputation at the time!!! How do you allow these crazy people into power and now you have a black president who has not done anything about racism in the USA!!!!!......................................................................................................................................................................................................... Oh by the way I'm being ironic to show you how narrow minded prejudice is and I know every person is an individual but it does show you what and how you are perceiving religion with your very limited experiences well that is pure arrogance!!!

So now I'm being accused of keeping children in dark rooms now!!! What other nonsensical thing is going to be said! Do you actually realise what your saying! Someone said grow up while ignoring what the real issue is well come on you can do better than that, If you want me to stop laughing at you then at least acknowledge that you are being prejudiced! Coward!

religious people are idiots, the fact that you became overjoyed at the prospect of your views being justified by the similarities you share with aborigines.<br />
Keeping your children in dark little rooms of superstition, ignorance, magic and fairytales when the world revels in the wonders of science, medicine and philosophy is child abuse, you are a child abuser, admit it and correct it

and you are prejudiced and an abusive person who has no respect or intelligence, go one justify being a prejudiced fool!!!! Yet again ignoring the fact that you are prejudiced and just want to provoke to satisfy your false ego and at least I can back that up instead of critisising without any foundation at all and you have the cheek to call me an idiot hey!!! pathetic tsk!

Your abusing now so who really is the abuser! What a hypocrite!

You can't accuse people of abusing children and expect no reaction at all and the person who wrote the provocative tittle did not right it out of the goodness of his/her heart, they wrote it to annoy religious people like the idiots who have made childish comments about this subject!

You can't accuse people of abusing children and expect no reaction at all and the person who wrote the provocative tittle did not right it out of the goodness of his/her heart, they wrote it to annoy religious people like the idiots who have made childish comments about this subject!

You can't accuse people of abusing children and expect no reaction at all and the person who wrote the provocative tittle did not right it out of the goodness of his/her heart, they wrote it to annoy religious people like the idiots who have made childish comments about this subject!

You can't accuse people of abusing children and expect no reaction at all and the person who wrote the provocative tittle did not right it out of the goodness of his/her heart, they wrote it to annoy religious people like the idiots who have made childish comments about this subject!

I agree with anandadas you do not know every religion in the world so it would be totally biased to say its child abuse you may have had a bad experience growing up it dont mean to say everyone has some peoples belief systems have been going for hundreds of years like the aborigini's etc they know no other way of life apart from that

Oh mthank you very much someone with common sense!!! Oh thank you.

typical!!!

typical!!!

Come on talk about being prejudiced ooooh i used the D happy now?

Actually, yes. That does make more sense now.

I'm waiting but not one person has the gaul, to expose your racist attitudes!!!! It's amazing how people do and believe what suits them and chose to ignore the fact they are being tottally unfair!!! Not one of you has a clue what i believe and i'm not saying what i believe but you still asume whatever you want which is very shallow indeed!!!! This is my proof of prejudice!!!!

Uh, racist? Where and when was race discussed here? I think you're confused.

I'm waiting but not one person has the gaul, to expose your racist attitudes!!!! It's amazing how people do and believe what suits them and chose to ignore the fact they are being tottally unfair!!! Not one of you has a clue what i believe and i'm not saying what i believe but you still asume whatever you want which is very shallow indeed!!!! This is my proof of prejudice!!!!

Come on someone justify being prejudiced when you don't know all religions!!!

Are you proud of being prejudice!

It's "prejudiced". You need that "d" on the end there, brother. Calm down. For real, you're taking all of this completely the wrong way. It's not personal. I think I can safely say that the reason this group exists is because children are impressionable and programmed to believe what adults tell them. When adults feed these spongy minds myths masquerading as "truth" before they are even old enough to comprehend it, let alone ask questions--these children have had an intellectual disservice done onto them. Here's a clip from a famous documentary that perfectly showcases what it is I'm getting at:
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=z14iuazhuTQ&amp;feature=related

Kids like this aren't exactly likely to get into a decent college, let alone have a fully functioning ability to reason.

Oh it is personal because I am a father who would never abuse my children!!!! Would you like to be called an abuser? Come on be honest!!!!

you vision of religion is very limited indeed so why are you an expert?

Is it about a christian nreligion because if that is all you can talk about then come on grow up it is not the only religion, the tittle does not say christian it says all religions, read the tittle properly!!!!

tut oh now we have spelling lessons. what about the absolute tittle saying religions and the fact it is prejudice. Will you teach me about the English language, how petty!

No one here has called you an abuser. Again, this is not specifically about you. None of us have any idea what kind of parent you are.

How is my "vision" limited? I've read damn near every religious text I can get my tiny hands on and most of what I've read (the list is exhaustive; I can give you the list if you'd like) is not christian. I think you've also got to remember that most people in this group live among monotheists, so naturally, much of the subject matter will reflect that.

Brother, you cast the first stone in your attack on the language skills of another poster. It's hard to make a well-reasoned argument if words are continually (and repeatedly) misspelled and misused. It's "title" (spelled "tittle" as you've done redundantly would be pronounced "***-el", kind of funny in its own right ) and "prejudiced", by the way.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH PREJUDICE BLAH BLAH BLAH IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE!!!

I have not said about philosophy so how can you say the thing about being right or wrong, I am only focusing on the fact that the tittle is prejudiced!!! It is so funny that this is being completely ignored no mention from troubleshooting inthefoot about prejudice!

PREJUDICED PREJUDICED PREJUDICED is anyone going to justify it or just be completely child like pretending your in a playground!

I'm not going to talk here anymore because I need some stimulation and this is just a joke like how people come to their absurd conclusions without real foundation that doesn't involve prejudice. You have proved to me that prejudice people cannot justify it and they don't have the ability to see the whole picture, very low class type of human beings are prejudiced without foundation. Some of you have in your mind, thought you know who i am and what i believe and even said to me who i am which is not fair at all. This obsession of wanting me to talk about how i perceive God is just strange and blind and instead you just make up what you think i believe. UNBELIEVABLE Please get off your American high horses where your right and the whole world is wrong!!!!

All of you are ignorant and prejudice and for some reason you won't acknowledge this fact, you should be ashamed!

All of you are ignorant and prejudice and for some reason you won't acknowledge this fact, you should be ashamed!

There are three ways to learn;- by your actions, with your eyes and finaly with your ears but you are only saying that a child can only learn religion by there own experiences and us religious people are not allowed to educate our children using their ears because no way could i hide my beliefs from my kids, it is completely impractical and such a ludicrous attitude to have towards religion and children, what about the 4 kumaras, is suppose they were abused aswell....lol...this tittle is actualy a sign of real ignorance! Typical western attyitude telling others how to live and I bet a lot of comments have come from Americans. You might invade other countries for corrupt reasons but please stop trying to control other peoples minds aswell. USA is the worst country I have ever visited for racism, so i stopped in the ghetto away from white middle class racists with their fancy houses in their safe white community, the ghjetto pavements were disgusting but in the white areas they make the effort to maintain everything so it was a nightmare in my wheelchair. Buses with sign saying negros to the back of the bus still. DISGUSTING PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE ASHAMED!

I am only pointing out the prejudice, that is all i'm interested in talking about so please show some respect for a persons free will!!!

Your observations are very limited honest, but you insist on having absolute knowledge because of your vision of one religion and even if it is ten religions then still you don't know everything, and I'm not having a childish argument over my personal beliefs...your only intention is to be offensive because your condoning prejudice by arguing with me, because that is all i have said, i haven't even argued the existence of God I have only pointed out your knowledge is VERY limited but you think being offensive is quite alright!!!!! Why does the people who make the comments not understand that simple fact? Your trying to ignore that fact, ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE COMMENTED!!!!!

I completely agree that children are going to be heavily influenced (indoctrinated, if you will) by parents, family, and general environment. There is no way to prevent this, since it is the very stuff that the experience of life is made of. The problem, I feel, is when adults take it upon themselves to fill a child's head with rules, commandments, doctrine, dogma, and beliefs of all kinds--most of which are abstract and far beyond the capacity of a child to cope with. This is generally so overwhelming for the child that he or she feels nothing so much as the need to cooperate with these powerful ideas at all costs, to accept them even when not really capable of doing so, and finally being willing to abandon his or her own natural curiosity about the world, his or her own sacred learning curve, in order to belong. It is not only unfair, but it impoverishes children, often for their whole lives. It is giving them Answers before they have had a chance to formulate the questions for themselves.<br />
I feel that thoughtful parents have a grasp of this, and so do not impose heavy ideas on small children, but try to encourage their own discovery of life's issues. It is never tidy, as you point out, but if parents have the basic willingness to let the child discover morality, religion, and all of that on his or her own terms as much as possible, then at least the playing field can be reasonably level, and the child has a fighting chance to become an original, independent, thoughtful human being.

The problem, I feel, is when adults take it upon themselves to fill a child's head with rules, commandments, doctrine, dogma, and beliefs of all kinds--most of which are abstract and far beyond the capacity of a child to cope with.....REPLY&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
that is a very patronising attitude towards children and not showing respect for children. So you know every child and how religion has affected all of them. If you hide knowledge from a child you will pay for it one way or another and please understand we are individuals with free will and your taking that away from them. A child has to learn rules of the family and home then thje outside world so what the hell are you really scared of, maybe the fact your children see something you can't. I believe you just want to control children with materialism like all the violent computer games and cartoons, plus school is the biggest influence and one bad apple can ruin a good kid and your worried about a religion that teaches peace and tolerance, you lot haven't got a clue have you? You see what you want to see which means your intelligence is very limited. If you want to have faith in something that makes mistakes then go ahead but your intelligence is not as complete as you think on this subject. Not one person has ackowledged that this is pure prejudice because your basing your very limited experiences on the same religion and again I have to say it YOU DON'T KNOW EVERY RELIGION so why are you now an expert on religion!!!!!!

Well said. I think that's what this group is all about. If only the author of this story could understand that.

I don't ever want to understand prejudice, I dislike racists and people who like to provocate and then complain when they get a reaction, you see again no mention of prejudice!!!!

Just for you I will tell you my belief by name and no more because it cannot be properly discussed in this arena and i don't want a childish argument because it is my life and I have got feelings. I belong to the Gaudiya Matha Sampradaya not the Hare Krishna's that are in the mainstream.

You know we all live in the same world and unless you use mind altering drugs and perform brain surgery to turn us into zombies which I hope will never happen again by athiests, you will never get rid of us. So why be offensive in a public arena and accuse religious people of abusing their children, can't any of you see how nasty and provocative it is and any of you that have participated are guilty of being prejudice and obviously just want to offend. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ACCUSED OF ABUSING YOUR CHILDREN.....BE FAIR FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE REALISE YOUR JUST BEING NASTY!!!! It is a sweeping statement which cannot possibly have real foundation because you need to know all beliefs to come to that conclusion, why do you think he can't get it!

Whatever happened to treating people with respect because the tittle exists purely to offend and you know it. So who starts wars hey. Calling someone an abuser is a very very serious thing and will always offend so it must be on purpose.

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so your belief is to treat people badly until they have earnt respect and you are preteding to care about children....tsk....not nice is it treating people you don't know with no respect like the tittle of this group.

The tittle is so rude and offensive because I have children and none of you know about them and asume I am abusing my kids. Who would not be offended at being described as a child abuser for loving their kids. If I said I believe all athiests are abusing their children I can assure you that you would get very pissed of!!!! Your very heartless people for writing those words and lacking in real intelligence. Come on athiests have no reason for being good which would make you much more dangerous than any religious person so shall i fight so none of you never come in contact with kids. Do what you want because there is no afterlife etc.... Do you realise that all your doing is offensive or shall i call you a child abuser with no real foundation. If you can't see the hypocracy then maybe you need to re-evaluate yourself.

"Come on athiests have no reason for being good..." And you call us short-sighted or prejudiced? Could it not be argued we have MORE of a reason to be good, since to someone with no religious faith, 'this' is all we have, so we should make the most of every moment we have here?

yeah make the most of what you have regardless of who or what gets in your way because you don't have to fear any reprisals. Did you know the word fear originally means love!!!

I was being ironic and pointing out that absolute statements are stupid and lacking in foundation when you don't have the full facts....you have got the wrong end of the stick completely!!!!

A person who condemns without knowing full facts is regarded as being very stupid indeed and that is what i'm saying here too becuase no way can any of us know all religions. WHY IS IT HARD TO COMPREHEND. Come on which one of you really believes he/she knows everything about everything to make accurate comments. You just can't it is impossible!!!! And yes that includes me, I'm not telling any answers here because that is not the point here! You are being prejudice and without knowledge because your assuming all sorts about me which proves my point completely. Stop speculating please and talk facts or change the stupid tittle. Prejudice is prejudice and it is ugly, very ugly.

In my head for me and not for you! It's personal. Evidence that the tittle is prejudiced is what your asking for isn't it because your obsessed with this!

You declare no interest in arguing about 'Christian' values. If you're still Hare Krishna, as your profile suggests, then I expect you're offended that your faith is being judged by the low standards of another - that's the usual contention in similar cases.<br />
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Honest I am not bothered and i don't belong to any Hare Krishna movements either.

Thanks everybody for the comments, I haven't sat here getting angry or anything but I do enjoy a good debate and promise my desire is not to offend. I do find all your opinions interesting and again thank you all.

The majority on this site share one thing in common, we do not believe in god,gods, spooks, ghosts, demons, angels, demi gods, celestial kingdoms or infernos of never ending torture, we do not believe in souls hence reincarnation is a moot point as is nirvana, Valhalla or Hades.<br />
When you come here and try to lend credence to such beliefs,rationalize their mythology as fact and then lay at our feet the accusation that we are intolerant how else are we to receive you other then a representative of the things and people we hold to be the most ignorant and dangerous on the planet.<br />
You must admit you speak the same language as the fundamentalist "you know people tortured by atheists" "You know spiritual people who would not hurt a fly"<br />
You ask "If my religion teaches tolerance and humility should it be swept under the carpet because it is harmful" If in the process of teaching your religion you tell children that not following your gods law will result in damnation in the world to come....yes. If your religion teaches that the universe is a dream of the great sea turtle and your children are taught that the stars are his eyes...yes, sweep away.

Are you telling me what I believe because what you have said is so far off the mark it's actually offences, so if i behave like you then I know your life and how angry you are because you do not have inner peace, come on stop trying to attack me about my personal beliefs because i haven't even touched it. I have not said what i believe at all. No where can you find me saying exactly what i believe, and your not prejudiced hey, with all your pre judgements about me! mmmm

Thanks everybody for the comments, I haven't sat here getting angry or anything but I do enjoy a good debate and promise my desire is not to offend. I do find all your opinions interesting and again thank you all.

What are christian values, I've never studied it because when i meet christians I'm not that impressed but I don't want to condemn something i don't understand.

Will someone tell chippenchick that I don't know about this christian religion and cant comment on it

I just read one of your other stories, to get a grip on whats with you..<br />
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sorry to hear about your abusive mother..did shee instill those Christian values of you,with abusive, hatrede???> dear Lord!!

my mother is an athiest

like you actually

If there is something out there that is spiritual then your not letting kids have access to it, if you can allow yourself to think outside the box. In certain sc<x>ripture there is recognition of great souls who are only 5 years old. To someone who has these beliefs they would think that your cruel for not allowing a child to grow spiritualy. I don't know about this christian stuff your talking about.

It's like saying all Americans are bad because they abuse the planet more than any other country and start illegal wars, there presidents are corrupt and always tell lies. They tell the whole world how to live when everyone hates them. You know that sort of thing. So in your eyes all people who have had a religious upbringing have suffered and never gained anything out of it! Do you know how stupid that sounds! IT'S PREJUDICE every which way you look at it and very patronising!

It's like saying all Americans are bad because they abuse the planet more than any other country and start illegal wars, there presidents are corrupt and always tell lies. They tell the whole world how to live when everyone hates them. You know that sort of thing. So in your eyes all people who have had a religious upbringing have suffered and never gained anything out of it! Do you know how stupid that sounds! IT'S PREJUDICE every which way you look at it and very patronising!

How many times do i have to say this! There are other religions out there and using christian values and beliefs as an example is not good because there are more religions, much MUCH more religions. I believe in free will personaly and tolerance, bust most of all respect for all life. I never push my beliefs on anyone or talk about it unless someone asks a question. My belief does not condemn anyone. A child asks questions so should they be ignored? It would be impossible to hide a lot of religions and would be impractical to seperate the children from religious parents. Oh yeah I'm sure there are bad people in ALL WALKS of life even athiests can be bad so the tittle of this forum/experience is impractical and not very constructive at all, it just breeds intolerance. I don't want to argue but would like to point out that there are many religions and this is pure prejudice!

If you find our our comments, impractical, and, not very constructuve, then, in the future, stay with in your own groups and complain about us there, and DO NOT WASTE OUR TIME WITH YOUR NONSENSICAL DRIVEL....Ciao!..Gee, i suppose i am a *****?? phuque it.Predjudice yerself away from US.

always trying to control, that's why you want to control peoples thoughts. This is about freedom of speech or do you have to control it.

NO, I am ASKING you to please not intrude upon our forum..Polite-like, i am asking..I have no desire to control peoples thought, unlike religious indoctrination does..Freedom of speech, and, you, being downright annoying, is irritating me..

As a Jewish, southern baptist, roman catholic, married to a buddhist,/ my family history/, i agree, do not limit it to just christianity...<br />
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I look for the good, and taught my children, and now my grandchildren, that all people are equal, and the same..WE practice no religion, and we Know who we are as people..We are good, sharing souls, and we pass these beliefs onto others..<br />
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God, seemed to drop an o, from the good..<br />
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ChipperchickThanksYOuForAllowingHerToShare!;)

You are right! children are conditioned one way or another and therein lies the problem! Religions have pegged one against the other. Love is the only way! keep the children in love until they develop and they will decide! Introduce religion at an early age, you will do nothing but prolong the un-peaceful situation in the world! If we want peace,we will have to sacrifice religion! To the glory of God!

So how will you stop people having religious beliefs and to expect them to not teach their children is ludicrous, how the hell would tribes in the middle of nowhere survive hey come on think about it properly

this problem this not new! in the past it was not possible to educate the masses, but today this is not an excuse! telling people that the Bible is the word of God! Please! All wars, all atrocities, all abuse and most of our modern illnesses can be directly attributed to false teachings of religion! Jesus never taught anything like the preacher teach from the Bible! Religion is Satan's best tool! (that's if you can believe in such an entity )

It's a shame when false ego blinds us to knowledge, I love knowledge and dislike prejudice, I am always open to knowledge and still i believe, but I don't see how a personal belief can be condemned, oh and if there were no preachers out there when i had my thing that made me religious I needed preachers out there so i can ask questions. If you said to someone who has knocked on your door please not today then he/she should respect that and i don't see how that can really ruin your life. My family were not religious but they are stupid, never questioning things and just existing and getting petrified when death comes knocking. I'm not physically fighting no religious war and never will. I respect athiests and what they believe and don't want that rammed down my throat. What your asking for is a blanket ban on all religions when there is no possible way you know every religion. HONEST THERE ARE MORE RELIGIONS THAN CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS HONEST HONEST HONEST

What if proof is a personal thing?

I have or haven't you noticed, oh boy ignore being prejudiced again!

What if proof is a personal thing?

Do you know every religious belief to know whether they are intolerant or not, whether they abuse, but really the abuse is not off me is it because i say I'm religious and then get attacked not spoken to or debates but silly prejudiced comments. Did you know religion is banned under communist countries and they have tortured religious people who never would hurt a fly. I know peopole who have had mind altering drugs and labotamy's in communist countries and maybe if you feel so much anger you can abuse us religious folk the same, no freedom whatsover. NO FREEDOM OF THOUGHT how uncivilised can the human race get hey. At least us religious people live a better quality of life in times of trouble, whether it is right or wrong it does a lot of good and no way can you ever stop people believing in an unlimited supreme God, no limits at all not even when it comes to free will, but that needs intelligence to truely understand not anger. If you were God how would you deal with free will because this is why people get it wrong because they don't understand the concept of free will. At least my belief respects free will completely. I would never condone forcing people to believe or not to believe in something, free will and all! Sounds like you want to control and are envious of religion because the amount of strength it gives. Otherwise why get so angry over something that is a choice anyway

Whether it is fact or not it is your opinion and i have know religious people to be tortured by athiests but does that make all athiests evil!!!!

tortured by athiests...yes, I can imagine now "SUCCUMB TO OUR NON-BELIEF, PRAISE THE POWER OF NOTHING!" while stabbing a believer in the eye with a soldering iron...

I love you

lol, thats great

Dedre, you make me giggle!

Why do you believe you are a perfect parent and still no acknowledgement about being prejudiced then!!!!!

I love you too, honest!

What, i think your trying too hard to show off your intelligence because now it doesnt make sense. please speak properly instead of your criptic words

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