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This is a bit of a stupid group it doesn't take into consideration of the fact that some people have absolute faith in what they believe and instead of seeing religion as an evil thing they see it as something to enhance ones life plus christianity is not the only religion in the world by the way and most of these comments are because of peoples experience with only one religion which in a lot of scholars eyes has failed mankind because corruption has spoiled it just like corruption has destroyed democracy! The world of athiests are just as capable of corrupting/brainwashing kids just like religion so does that mean children should be protected from all adults opinions whether it's athiest or religious, scientific (science is always changing). Does that mean if ones morals are good we can't educate or influence our kids either because that is still brainwashing, what if i want my kid to be a thief or a liar and a cheat, you see everything is brainwashing. If my religion teaches tolerance and humility should it be swept under the carpet because it is harmful? You see religious people actually believe certain behaviour does not go unpunished and not educating children would create the most miserable after life for the living entity so if we life by your philosophy then it would be rediculous! Please remember your words condemn every belief system and no way do you know them all in depth which means it is blind prejudice and ignorance that makes people hate all religions. I wish people were more understanding and respectful instead of blind condemnation, it's not very nice when one is peaceful and religious and some ignorant sod spits on me and sticks his fingers up at me for being religious, i don't force my beliefs either, oh and there is more abuse than that aswell. So very shallow indeed.
Anandadas Anandadas 41-45, M 58 Responses Nov 27, 2011

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I haven't been on here for a few days and still not one person has actually talked about the issue I have raised about the pejudiced tittle. Now I've been analysed for asking the questioin and conclusions were made obviously born from hatred and envy, so sad hey! <br />
I give in trying to talk about this because the lack of response just says it all!!!!! Thank you!

Let me just suggest that the lack of continued response here has much more to do with your inability or unwillingness to carry on a closely-reasoned discussion. I am certainly not out to insult, punish, belittle, or offend you, but my comments (and those of many others) receive little in the way of actual response, but instead get rather harsh sarcasm and an explosion of tangential and loud 'gotcha' points wielded like cudgels. The difficulty lies in staying interested when any real desire on your part to explore the issue seems to be gone.

Well if my question or comment is completely ignored why should I move on from that and answer other question which are asking me personal stuff instead of it being a discussion. So tell me why you can't or won't discuss it?

It's obvious why it's being iognored and you know it!!!! It's the truth and not one person wants to admit to being prejudiced! That is why I have stuck to it too, to prove that it is a prejudiced tittle because not one person has even tried to defend against my accusations instead they look for a way of putting me or my belief down. It is so obvious so please don't try and blame me, how many times have I asked and still not one person has respected the situation and discussed things properly and that is my fault, It's the fault of the prejudiced fool who wrote the tittle in the first place! Pass the buck on me hey.

I really do not give a stuff about the lack of response, it's the lack of communication because the prejudiced people can't be bothered to justify their prejudiced behaviour....TSK

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Would you agree <br />
that if I raised my child with the beliefs of Nazis it would be child abuse?<br />
If I taught my children that the cultural revolution of Mao's China was a blueprint for their life it would be child abuse?<br />
If I taught my children that the universe is only 6000 years old, that men and women were created by an invisible super man who created them just as they are today it would be child abuse?<br />
If I taught them that a fulfilling life is one spent chanting in a corner, would that be child abuse?<br />
If I teach my children that humans rode dinosaurs.......well, you get my point and possibly the reason for the name of this group

The Nazi thing is something that has happened to a lot of families but it is not an actual religion. How is that a connection? How many religious scriptures tell us to hate our neighbours or hate jews or other religions. Not just christian scriptures either so please don't just focus on that scripture!

If I go by your standards then I think teaching a child speculative theories is child abuse especially when science changes as much as it does. Evolution has never been proved. Did they really get passed the van allen belt to land on the moon because it was making the Russians very sick indeed! Normalising animal abuse is abuse. Belonging to a country that pollutes the earth and their schools teach you to carry on abusing the earth is abuse. The **** in the USA is abuse for children teaching them that women should be used for sex and whatever else you desire and don't think your kids don't find your ****! Bringing up children differently with much better schools for white families and bad underfunded schools for the blacks is abuse for all children if you want to talk about nazis and racism. The list goes on and these are real issues instead of creating more hate!

Something to enhance ones life, believers are to be salt and light! Jesus used the concepts of salt and light a number of different times to refer to the role of His followers in the world. One example is found in Matthew 5:13: “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.” Salt had two purposes in the Middle East of the first century. Because of the lack of refrigeration, salt was used to preserve food, especially meat which would quickly spoil in the desert environment. Believers in Christ are preservatives to the world, preserving it from the evil inherent in the society of ungodly men whose unredeemed natures are corrupted by sin (Psalm 14:3; Romans 8:8). <br />
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Second, salt was used then, as now, as a flavor enhancer. In the same way that salt enhances the flavor of the food it seasons, the followers of Christ stand out as those who “enhance” the flavor of life in this world. Christians, living under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and in obedience to Christ, will inevitably influence the world for good, as salt has a positive influence on the flavor of the food it seasons. Where there is strife, we are to be peacemakers; where there is sorrow, we are to be the ministers of Christ, binding up wounds, and where there is hatred, we are to exemplify the love of God in Christ, returning good for evil (Luke 6:35).<br />
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In the analogy of light to the world, the good works of Christ’s followers are to shine for all to see. The following verses in Matthew 5 highlight this truth: “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven” (Matthew 5:14-16, NASB). The idea here is similar—the presence of light in darkness is something which is unmistakable. The presence of Christians in the world must be like a light in the darkness, not only in the sense that the truth of God’s Word brings light to the darkened hearts of sinful man (John 1:1-10), but also in the sense that our good deeds must be evident for all to see. And indeed, our deeds will be evident if they are performed in accordance with the other principles which Jesus mentions in this passage, such as the Beatitudes in Matthew 5:3-11. Notice especially that the concern is not that Christians would stand out for their own sake, but that those who looked on might “glorify your Father who is in heaven” (v. 16, KJV).<br />
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In view of these verses, what sorts of things can hinder or prevent the Christian from fulfilling his or her role as salt and light in the world? The passage clearly states that the difference between the Christian and the world must be preserved; therefore, any choice on our part which blurs the distinction between us and the rest of the world is a step in the wrong direction. This can happen either through a choice to accept the ways of the world for the sake of comfort or convenience or to contravene the law of obedience to Christ.<br />
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Mark 9:50 suggests that saltiness can be lost specifically through a lack of peace with one another; this follows from the command to “have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other.” And in Luke 14:34-35, we find a reference to the metaphor of salt once again, this time in the context of obedient discipleship to Jesus Christ. The loss of saltiness occurs in the failure of the Christian to daily take up the cross and follow Christ wholeheartedly.<br />
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It seems, then, that the role of the Christian as salt and light in the world may be hindered or prevented through any choice to compromise or settle for that which is more convenient or comfortable, rather than that which is truly best and pleasing to the Lord. Moreover, the status of salt and light is something which follows naturally from the Christian’s humble obedience to the commandments of Christ. It is when we depart from the Spirit-led lifestyle of genuine discipleship that the distinctions between ourselves and the rest of the world become blurred and our testimony is hindered. Only by remaining focused on Christ and being obedient to Him can we expect to remain salt and light in the world.<br />
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I prefer to enhance not deal with negativism, and to share the light though I am but a candle ready to be snuffed out at any moment. But I would rather burn out having given light that, sitting in the darkness. Have a blessed day. :-)

Quoting christian scriptures is not going to help the cause in here, only impartiality will help!!!

It was not so much quoting, but references. I could have used this quote, "A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." William James (1842-1910) or perhaps "Some would rather die than think.."Bertrand Russell (1872-1970). Are you familiar with concept of references?

Okay, to start off with a fresh thought....dang I even remember when this group was created...<br />
So you dislike how prejudiced the title of this group is? Eh, you aren't alone, there were about 5-7 stories in this group that generally agreed, but felt calling it "child abuse" was rather strong.<br />
There are currently 104 stories in this group, by 75 separate authors, so there is some cross-over, and on at least one occasion, I believe, a double post of a story.<br />
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11 of the stories posted, were generally considered trolls; they did not try to discuss viewpoints or share experiences, but usually just quoted verses and explanations of said verses.<br />
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6 of the stories were from people who agreed with this group so long as their own religion is exempt. <br />
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7 of the stories disagreed with this group, but had original work in the post, they didn't necessarily fit a standard definition of trolling.<br />
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44 of the stories agreed with the group, and either had discussions, or were passing on examples that had reached the news or their community, or their own perspectives.<br />
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35 of the stories had authors who self-identified themselves as considering their own childhood consisting of abuse in the form of religion.<br />
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My point is, so your incensed about the title of it, that perhaps it presumes that, for example, you are abusing your child by raising them with your religion. I can understand that somewhat in a perspective stance. However, 1/3 of the stories in this group were from people who they themselves experienced abuse during childhood due to religion, and shared it to the group. To me, stories like that are the bread and butter and positive reasons for groups like this; for people with similar experiences to share and help with each other.<br />
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I'm not sure if you are aware, but if you dislike the title of the group, unless EP has changed it's processes recently, I'm pretty sure there is nothing that can be done, especially since whoever created the group has abandoned EP. If this is not enough, then I and EP invite you to make or join a counter-group, and share with like-minded individuals there, and with all probability the occasional muck-rucker who treads into such a group.

Thank you for your words which was very interesting indeed until it became personal and you assumed things about my children. I really can't talk about such a personal subject because I value my children a lot and cannot and will not have a childish exchange involving such a personal thing, it is very immature the way people just want to offend or show off their intelligence. I would rather sit back and watch people speculate which is what most philosophies are based on and laugh at the assumptions. No wonder there is so much conflict!

I don't believe I have presumed anything about your children other than that they exist and you teach them of your beliefs, and hence the epoch of your problem with the group's presumptuous title. If that's personal then I'm sorry, but it seems to be the bud of your beef with this group; all I was trying to say that, in the most literal of interpretations I can understand your perspective of distaste towards a group name like this.

Anandadas--<br />
The most difficult thing about this long exchange is the inescapable feeling that you do not want to actually explore this issue with other people. It is hard to filter out what sounds like anger/defensiveness, which rarely helps in discovering the areas in which people agree, and where they diverge in their views. I would genuinely be interested in finding out what you feel is appropriate regarding the exposure of children to religion of any stripe. Do you think this would be possible?

Why explore when my point is just ignored all the time, I will be banging my head against the wall and I haven't come accross anyone who deserves to know my belief. Why would i try and discuss with people who just want to attack first? My false ego and pride isn't that big that they need massaging by showing off!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, Ananadas, I am NOT being rude. I am being observant. If you take offence, you should look to the source of the offence (you), and not the reporter of it (me).<br />
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That said, I've asked you a couple of times to review your strange and hyperbolic comments, and you refuse to do so. As this is clearly a waste of my time, I'll now unsubscribe from the thread and leave you alone with your psychosis. <br />
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Not one person has actually discussed the fact that the tittle is prejudiced and after being called a child abuser I think that any person has the right to be angry, I wasn't the one who started the offensive thread so do what you like but stop avoiding the subject, if you can't discuss it then you are doing me a favour by ignoring me and maybe someone else might want to actually discuss things properly, no way has one of you even touched what i want to discuss and i was the one that started this room.! One rule for you and another for me hey, I'm the idiot for getting frustrated when ignorance is all i have seen off all of you except one person who understood what i was talking about. Being judgemental without full knowledge of certain human beings is a form of prejudice, why don't you focus on that instead of wanting to debate the existence of God. Please don't pretend to hate racism when you condemn so many beliefs and cultures which are very much reliant on their beliefs, I just want you to realise that sweeping statements are very insulting especially saying that people abuse their kids. Please think before opening ones mouth in the first place. ...Please understand what IRONY is!

Can anyone discuss the tittle and how offensive and provocative it is?

Can anyone discuss the tittle and how offensive and provocative it is?

No, Ananadas, I am NOT being rude. I am being observant. If you take offence, you should look to the source of the offence (you), and not the reporter of it (me).<br />
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That said, I've asked you a couple of times to review your strange and hyperbolic comments, and you refuse to do so. As this is clearly a waste of my time, I'll now unsubscribe from the thread and leave you alone with your psychosis. <br />
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Not one person has actually discussed the fact that the tittle is prejudiced and after being called a child abuser I think that any person has the right to be angry, I wasn't the one who started the offensive thread so do what you like but stop avoiding the subject, if you can't discuss it then you are doing me a favour by ignoring me and maybe someone else might want to actually discuss things properly, no way has one of you even touched what i want to discuss and i was the one that started this room.! One rule for you and another for me hey, I'm the idiot for getting frustrated when ignorance is all i have seen off all of you except one person who understood what i was talking about. Being judgemental without full knowledge of certain human beings is a form of prejudice, why don't you focus on that instead of wanting to debate the existence of God. Please don't pretend to hate racism when you condemn so many beliefs and cultures which are very much reliant on their beliefs, I just want you to realise that sweeping statements are very insulting especially saying that people abuse their kids. Please think before opening ones mouth in the first place. ...Please understand what IRONY is!

Mr godless i just looked at your profile and your just a fat offensive yank who is a typical example of american arrogance, telling everyone how they have to live! Your way is the only way! Your just like the leaders of your country and that is a lot to be ashamed of. You lived in your racist country, come on it wasn't that long ago you had slaves and in some places they still treat blacks like **** like they are slaves. How bloody dare you arrogant fools tell people how to live. The violence in america is unbelievable and putting people in prison just to make money out of it is sick, I do know about that! How the hell did Martin Luther King Airport get changed into Bush Airport and the park in Houston, the Bush family are war mongers and you all let them get away with it because the television over there is sick, come on turning religion into a business with the shows they put on the television. Barbera Bush owns the canteen business in texas prisons to make money out of criminals.The daughter had an abortion which was forced on the daughter by president bush because he was worried about his reputation at the time!!! How do you allow these crazy people into power and now you have a black president who has not done anything about racism in the USA!!!!!......................................................................................................................................................................................................... Oh by the way I'm being ironic to show you how narrow minded prejudice is and I know every person is an individual but it does show you what and how you are perceiving religion with your very limited experiences well that is pure arrogance!!!

Mr godless i just looked at your profile and your just a fat offensive yank who is a typical example of american arrogance, telling everyone how they have to live! Your way is the only way! Your just like the leaders of your country and that is a lot to be ashamed of. You lived in your racist country, come on it wasn't that long ago you had slaves and in some places they still treat blacks like **** like they are slaves. How bloody dare you arrogant fools tell people how to live. The violence in america is unbelievable and putting people in prison just to make money out of it is sick, I do know about that! How the hell did Martin Luther King Airport get changed into Bush Airport and the park in Houston, the Bush family are war mongers and you all let them get away with it because the television over there is sick, come on turning religion into a business with the shows they put on the television. Barbera Bush owns the canteen business in texas prisons to make money out of criminals.The daughter had an abortion which was forced on the daughter by president bush because he was worried about his reputation at the time!!! How do you allow these crazy people into power and now you have a black president who has not done anything about racism in the USA!!!!!......................................................................................................................................................................................................... Oh by the way I'm being ironic to show you how narrow minded prejudice is and I know every person is an individual but it does show you what and how you are perceiving religion with your very limited experiences well that is pure arrogance!!!

So now I'm being accused of keeping children in dark rooms now!!! What other nonsensical thing is going to be said! Do you actually realise what your saying! Someone said grow up while ignoring what the real issue is well come on you can do better than that, If you want me to stop laughing at you then at least acknowledge that you are being prejudiced! Coward!

religious people are idiots, the fact that you became overjoyed at the prospect of your views being justified by the similarities you share with aborigines.<br />
Keeping your children in dark little rooms of superstition, ignorance, magic and fairytales when the world revels in the wonders of science, medicine and philosophy is child abuse, you are a child abuser, admit it and correct it

and you are prejudiced and an abusive person who has no respect or intelligence, go one justify being a prejudiced fool!!!! Yet again ignoring the fact that you are prejudiced and just want to provoke to satisfy your false ego and at least I can back that up instead of critisising without any foundation at all and you have the cheek to call me an idiot hey!!! pathetic tsk!

Your abusing now so who really is the abuser! What a hypocrite!

You can't accuse people of abusing children and expect no reaction at all and the person who wrote the provocative tittle did not right it out of the goodness of his/her heart, they wrote it to annoy religious people like the idiots who have made childish comments about this subject!

You can't accuse people of abusing children and expect no reaction at all and the person who wrote the provocative tittle did not right it out of the goodness of his/her heart, they wrote it to annoy religious people like the idiots who have made childish comments about this subject!

You can't accuse people of abusing children and expect no reaction at all and the person who wrote the provocative tittle did not right it out of the goodness of his/her heart, they wrote it to annoy religious people like the idiots who have made childish comments about this subject!

You can't accuse people of abusing children and expect no reaction at all and the person who wrote the provocative tittle did not right it out of the goodness of his/her heart, they wrote it to annoy religious people like the idiots who have made childish comments about this subject!

I agree with anandadas you do not know every religion in the world so it would be totally biased to say its child abuse you may have had a bad experience growing up it dont mean to say everyone has some peoples belief systems have been going for hundreds of years like the aborigini's etc they know no other way of life apart from that

Oh mthank you very much someone with common sense!!! Oh thank you.

typical!!!

typical!!!

Come on talk about being prejudiced ooooh i used the D happy now?

Actually, yes. That does make more sense now.

I'm waiting but not one person has the gaul, to expose your racist attitudes!!!! It's amazing how people do and believe what suits them and chose to ignore the fact they are being tottally unfair!!! Not one of you has a clue what i believe and i'm not saying what i believe but you still asume whatever you want which is very shallow indeed!!!! This is my proof of prejudice!!!!

Uh, racist? Where and when was race discussed here? I think you're confused.

I'm waiting but not one person has the gaul, to expose your racist attitudes!!!! It's amazing how people do and believe what suits them and chose to ignore the fact they are being tottally unfair!!! Not one of you has a clue what i believe and i'm not saying what i believe but you still asume whatever you want which is very shallow indeed!!!! This is my proof of prejudice!!!!

Come on someone justify being prejudiced when you don't know all religions!!!

Are you proud of being prejudice!

It's "prejudiced". You need that "d" on the end there, brother. Calm down. For real, you're taking all of this completely the wrong way. It's not personal. I think I can safely say that the reason this group exists is because children are impressionable and programmed to believe what adults tell them. When adults feed these spongy minds myths masquerading as "truth" before they are even old enough to comprehend it, let alone ask questions--these children have had an intellectual disservice done onto them. Here's a clip from a famous documentary that perfectly showcases what it is I'm getting at:
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=z14iuazhuTQ&amp;feature=related

Kids like this aren't exactly likely to get into a decent college, let alone have a fully functioning ability to reason.

Oh it is personal because I am a father who would never abuse my children!!!! Would you like to be called an abuser? Come on be honest!!!!

you vision of religion is very limited indeed so why are you an expert?

Is it about a christian nreligion because if that is all you can talk about then come on grow up it is not the only religion, the tittle does not say christian it says all religions, read the tittle properly!!!!

tut oh now we have spelling lessons. what about the absolute tittle saying religions and the fact it is prejudice. Will you teach me about the English language, how petty!

No one here has called you an abuser. Again, this is not specifically about you. None of us have any idea what kind of parent you are.

How is my "vision" limited? I've read damn near every religious text I can get my tiny hands on and most of what I've read (the list is exhaustive; I can give you the list if you'd like) is not christian. I think you've also got to remember that most people in this group live among monotheists, so naturally, much of the subject matter will reflect that.

Brother, you cast the first stone in your attack on the language skills of another poster. It's hard to make a well-reasoned argument if words are continually (and repeatedly) misspelled and misused. It's "title" (spelled "tittle" as you've done redundantly would be pronounced "***-el", kind of funny in its own right ) and "prejudiced", by the way.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH PREJUDICE BLAH BLAH BLAH IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE!!!

I have not said about philosophy so how can you say the thing about being right or wrong, I am only focusing on the fact that the tittle is prejudiced!!! It is so funny that this is being completely ignored no mention from troubleshooting inthefoot about prejudice!

PREJUDICED PREJUDICED PREJUDICED is anyone going to justify it or just be completely child like pretending your in a playground!

I'm not going to talk here anymore because I need some stimulation and this is just a joke like how people come to their absurd conclusions without real foundation that doesn't involve prejudice. You have proved to me that prejudice people cannot justify it and they don't have the ability to see the whole picture, very low class type of human beings are prejudiced without foundation. Some of you have in your mind, thought you know who i am and what i believe and even said to me who i am which is not fair at all. This obsession of wanting me to talk about how i perceive God is just strange and blind and instead you just make up what you think i believe. UNBELIEVABLE Please get off your American high horses where your right and the whole world is wrong!!!!

All of you are ignorant and prejudice and for some reason you won't acknowledge this fact, you should be ashamed!