WELL Let God Show You That He Did Come In the Flesh and He Is'nt An Alien

READ THE KING JAMES VERSION AND IT WILL SHOW YOU THAT JESUS CAME TO EARTH BY GOD THE SPIRIT.. GOD FORMED HIMSELF A BODY AND MANAFESTED HIS SELF IN THE FLESH,,, BEFOR THAT AN ANGLE CAME TO MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS AND TOLD HER THAT SHE SHALL CONSEVED,, THAT WAS JESUS THAT WAS GROWING IN THE WOMB OF MARY... AND ABOUT THE LORD GOD CREATING THE WORLD IN 7- DAYS,,, WELL GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY,, ARE YOU ASKING HOW??????? WELL GOD HAS THE POWER DO  WHATSOEVER HE WANTS AND I PRAY THAT GOD WILL OPEN YOUR HEART AND GET YA SAVED BEFOR HIS COMING CAUSE THE BIBLE IS FULFILLING EVERY DAY,,, AND HIS TIME IS WINDING UP... SO BE READY TO MEET JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.. I PRAY THAT YOU AND ALL WILL BE SAVE FROM THE WRATH OF GOD THATS COMING THIS WAY.. MAY HE GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO SERVE HIM.. DEAR JESUS I COME BEFOR YOU IN THIS TIME OF NEED OF YOUR HELP YOU SEE THAT THIS PERSON IS A LITTLE MIXED UP ABOUT ALL OF THIS,, SO GOD I ASK THAT YOU OPEN SOME DOORS TO THIS PERSON UNDERSTANDING,,, LORD I ASK THAT YOUR WILL, WILL BE DONE IN JESUS NAME I PRAY AMEN...... I HOPE AND PRAY THAT I HAVE HELP YOU IN SOME WAY ,, BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT JESUS LOVES YOU SO VERY MUCH AND WANTS TO SAVE YOU BEFOR HIS COMMING,, IF YOU FEEL TO PRAY JUST REPENT OF YOUR SINS CONFESS WITH YOU MOUTH AND BELEVIE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD RAISED JESUS FROM THE GRAVE,,, AND BE BAPTIZED AND YOUR SINS SHALL BE FOR GIVEN IF YOU ASK WITH A TRUE HEART.... GOD BLESS YOUALL !!!!!!
chosenone2003 chosenone2003
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There is a world-wide proliferation of "self-proclaiming appointed son of God" they consider themselves as someone from god and that what they teach is from god...how sad. i bet stories like this will someday be used as propaganda. just to lure ignorants and tell them to donate money for the newly organized group..tsk tsk. Jesus prayed that we be one in him so that people will believe he is from God the Father. but what's happening now a days is a contest on church-building..

God is not of this world. so I guess you are right. : )

nyethaiya, i like what you had to say.<br />
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you stated- 'I love and glorify God. This faith made me a better person- more responsible, more giving, more patient.'<br />
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i too feel the same way, except my faith wasnt in god. i have faith in humanity and in myself. and because i believe in myself and others around me, it has made me a better person- more responsible, more giving, and more patient. <br />
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i try not to debate the existence/ non existence of god. its pointless. there is no answer. most of the time i only debate this issue when a 'believer' tells me something is 'true' instead of telling me it is 'what he believes to be true.' when i tell others 'i dont believe in god', thats exactly how i say it, i dont tell them 'god does not exist.' its only when discussions get heated that i claim to know what i do not [and i'm sure 'believers' are the same way].<br />
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you also stated- 'We cannot change each other's opinions. Let us just learn to give respect.'<br />
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i agree with that very much. but i also feel that on the internet, people seem to take others' opinions out of context and interpret them as offensive just because they dont agree with them. too me, that is the problem that ultimately leads to the disrespect. <br />
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and your last statement- 'I am a Christian, I am proud to be-because of God, it's spontaneous, I felt it from within. And most especially, because I am HAPPY...'<br />
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well, i am an athiest, i am proud to be-because it just feels right [to me]. i have never truly believed in god, not even when i was younger. and to accept myself for who i am is a wonderful feeling, it makes me happy.

Believe it or not, I read all 210 comments. It's interesting how these people fight for their opinions/faith/beliefs.<br />
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I believe in God, because I have experienced his power, his miracles, his love. I do not have logical proof, though, of his existence. Reading all comments, I focused on that question of "logic"...Like I wanted to be sure, and as I search my heart, there is no doubt I love and glorify God. This faith made me a better person- more responsible, more giving, more patient.<br />
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But I am not saying I am right. I think there is no way we can prove which side is right or wrong-who among us are misled? I can't explain God's presence in my life logically, but how can those who don't believe in Him explain with logical proof (and not just theories) where this universe-the earth, the humans, the plants, the cells of a living being came from? Anyone here who has answers?<br />
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We cannot change each other's opinions. Let us just learn to give respect. Btw, we Christians are not perfect, we really don't know everything-so let's not pretend. Let us be proud of what we believe in, of what God have done in our lives...We can share a story without preaching. About that "burning in hell" I have to be honest I haven't thought much about whether I believe it or not- I just know that I did not choose to become a Christian because I am afraid of burning in hell, I am a Christian, I am proud to be-because of God, it's spontaneous, I felt it from within. And most especially, because I am HAPPY...

Well, I agree with your title ChosenOne: Let God come and prove to me He isn't an alien. And while I am waiting for this, let someone - anyone - prove to me that it was God or his angels who channelled the words that make up the Bible in the first place. <br />
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Don't get me wrong - I know Jesus was a real person and a wonderful teacher. And I am seriously not here to start a fear-based arguement over religion with you. All I am saying is that given the experiences I have had in my own life, I have reason to believe that we have been misled into thinking that the Bible we were given came from God (as in the Christian religion). Mediums channel all sorts of entities - where is the proof that the people chosen to write the Bible were channeling this deity and not some alien race or other higher consciousness?<br />
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In the name of science and critical thought, please consider one of the key criteria which is: do not accept a written article as being valid simply because of the authority or fame of who authored it. Since none of us were there when the writing was done, I guess we may never know who was responsible.

have you all forgotten your faith, or simply lost it along the way. Faith is believing without proof, and what if your God is an Alien? would He not have created then as well? If He did cerate all that is, and who are you to question His logic, reason or truth. Would you be able to undersatnd His logic at all? If man is the result of millions of years of evolution, Who's to say that God is not behind that as well? I for one know that I don't know. I believe we're mot the only intelligent life in the universe, that we may have evolved from apes, or mabey the neanderthal man did, and I don't know if we are them or not. I don't possibly think I can reason all the answers that my faith will question, but faith tells me that God is somehow, some way behind it all, and it all is a test of my faith.

i dont know y it is hard to believe dat God can come to this world while we can easily believe dat d devil is right here with us.<br />
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I agree to the fact that God, through the virgin birth came and identified with mankind. What greater way to express ones luv by a creator to his creation?<br />
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why some may dispute the way in which God came, i want to honestly stick to the bible; not because its d christianity's holy book, but because of the life beyound d written pages. only if u have experienced this life will u kno wat i m talking about.<br />
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But dats not all. Another reason y i believe d bible's account of d virgin birth is d logical arguement of trying to drink fresh water at the tributary where a sea and a river meets. I m simplying implying this: what other way can a creator identify with his creation and still be the creator 100% and yet be the creation 100%.<br />
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thank u.

Hold Cr*p. I was going to read all of the comments after this story but 206 comments sort of reaches my limits.

wow, chill out.....

Alright, yes, that last bit in my post was uneccissary. Sorry about that. Bad mood, and i can't stand people constantly fighting. People should get along regardless of religion. <br />
I'm Christain, and raised in a very strictly religious household. But one of my best friends id Jewish, another is Islamic, and still another is atheist. Point is, we still get along, regarless of religion, and we should respect each others opinions.

There is no need to swear about anything. This has gotten way out of hand. If she deleted comments, it was her choice. Leave her alone. She can preach if she wants, it's up to you if you listen. Stop hating each other and find something else to do than insult someone on their own post, it's just rude. <br />
If anyone has a problem with this...Bite me.

All I can say is that I feel so sorry for you and the unhealthy state of your mind. plus,your spelling REALLY sucks!I didn't finish High school but i know how to spell. Religion is so F'cked up.That is why so many people are dying across our nation.Everyone is so F'cked up about religion.If the bible is so correct how come all of you followers are so hypocritical?Love thy neighbor right? Puhleeze! Christians follow no such "rules". They gossip and judge just as much as the next person.I believe that if you are a good person,love fully and treat others as you would like to be treated you are going to your own personal heaven,of yeah,I also believe In Karma baby.How's your's? I know mine is good.Peace to you and yours,J

Well I hate the whole god concept and religions and stuffs. All the crisis and everything we are facing is becuz of all these things. Why can't we respect ourselves as Humans, we have same red blood, why we have to differentiate humans with religions and on the basis of which god they worship. <br />
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Humanity is the biggest religion and universe the god. <br />
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*I'm sure this one too will get deleted* No worries. Truth is truth* and if you ask deep inside you, you'll get the answer.

RockYouBebeh - i hope they weren't! they were wonderful comments!<br />
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ElleMeza - no need to apologize! <br />
i just thought maybe i missed some bit of research!<br />
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as for the size of people thing, i thought that we had been getting taller and taller over the last generations.... the really really old houses had much lower doors<br />
we may be on the size downswing again though so....<br />
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also, there is no guarantee that even if we did evolve from apes (and i believe we did) that all groups of apes would then evolve.... we do not know what caused the mutations that led to our evolution... it could have been specific to a location, or to a clan, a genetic mutation or an environmental adaptation... all we have are theories<br />
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and there are a lot of people that still beleive in a bogfoot like creature that is the missing link between the evolutinary generations, although it could have been a rather spontaneous (and large) leap in the chain instead of small babystepping changes, which would account for the lack of evidence<br />
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then again, there is the compromise: guided evolution - a combination of teh creationism and evolutionary belief systems

so were my comments erased??

In general over averages, men and woman are getting smaller and lighter. My sky fairy bought this to some ones attention and then he wrote it down for me to read. I dont know where your cottage is las, but 300 years ago the educated and well traveled man lived on every continent, except Australia, and they didn't all live in cottages.<br />
When it comes to why there are no evolveing apes in the world today, I don't find it hard to believe that we culled them out. There may be plenty known about the 95% likeness we share with the ape family, but what about the 5% difference. <br />
I don't believe Jesus was anything more then an ordinary man with exceptional insight and a good group of people supporting him. Not leaving out those who kept a rather exagerated record of his works (and the works of others), to bring him all the way to us as well. <br />
Given that I had a really strange encounted with something spiritual, I find myself open to believing some form of spirit exists. Like many others I am also open to the idea that we are capable with assistance from the spirit, of divine communication.

i know that the density of a pig's flesh is close to ours, and that the decomp is supposed to be especially similar, but i had never heard gthat our DNA was that similar to a pigs... i know there has been some sort of research about whether or not a pig uterus could carry a human embryo, but i didn't think it had to do with close genetic similarites

logisticmozzy... re-read it 5 times and still can't work out what you're saying. Joking? Satirical? Serious? <br />
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Evolution is change... not sure what your first sentence is getting at. It's like saying "the more we walk the further we move..."<br />
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Men heavier 2000 years ago? What? I'd bet the average height and weight was less than today because of poor nutrition and disease. Look at an old cottage and you have to stop to get in the front door and that's only 300 years or so..<br />
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DNA is a digital code and it copies itself very, very accurately down the generations. These sections of code are 95% exactly the same in Pan as in humans, not related too, the same. We share a common ancestor relatively recently with chimps. This split can be tracked and dated by studying the changes in DNA that happen over time. <br />
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Your sky fairy blessed nothing because he's fiction.<br />
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It is also a known fact that the more we evolve the more we change. Men were so heavey back in Jesus day that few could swim. This is changeing, regardless of what percentage of our DNA is RELATED to animals like ourselves. God didn't bless the Neanderthol or the chimp, he only blessed the man he made in his image, the birds and life in the water.

Lexus, what you choose to delude yourself with is your problem. But your an ape, get used to it! <br />
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I'd like to ask you in what material way you think you are separate from our closest relatives? That's material way, you can't invoke your imagined "soul". <br />
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Here's a few snipets about our lineage, why, and what evidence do you have, that makes you think this is wrong?<br />
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Chimpanzees are members of the Hominidae family, along with gorillas, humans, and orangutans. At present estimate, humans have approximately 20,000–25,000 genes and share 99% of their DNA with the now extinct Neanderthal and 95% of their DNA with their closest living evolutionary relative, the chimpanzees.<br />
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Laz, proud to be hominid!

Sorry, the ape thing does stick in my craw a bit...but...alas I believe differently so doesnt really matter anyway.<br />
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God does understand skepticism...He created us to be thinking beings. <br />
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He offers us the comfort of grace...its entirely up to us whether we choose to except it or not.

An alien, huh? Wow, Tom Cruise must be channeling people now...lol<br />
Not sure why people hate God so much, its really sad. Whats with all that anger? <br />
But like you said Lexus, our choice vs. theirs.

Laz...i didnt "blow" as you put it. I love Ep and golly I love a good debate...LOL<br />
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JD was needing my attention and as much as I love you guys....he comes first....tee hee hee And besides, he was shaking his cute butt at me...what do you expect a girl to do???<br />
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Not sure what else you want me to say Laz. I dont have the need to convince you of anything. I presented my views and you presented yours. I seriously doubt either of us is going to change our minds or hearts.<br />
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The only thing I do hope is that we all can keep the discussion respectful. And by the way...I did not consider being called an ape a compliment. Its ok though...I'm neither angry or upset. Just simply did not consider it a compliment as you suggested.

i think this "discussion" is the first time i have had a smile on my face, and in my eyes, in a long long time<br />
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i quite enjoyed participating in it and reading what i missed after i had to go lift heavy things

anotherhuman, you stated, 'If I can't debate and have healthy arguments about religion at ep then, I'm truly lost..' if that is true, then by all means, keep posting your thoughts and debates. <br />
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i basically feel the same way you do, i spend all day with 3 children, its nice to come on here and talk about a real meaningful discussion, something i have passion about. and if someone else cant understand that, then perhaps it is them who should quit posting

Yes he would! But the fact that jesus wrestled with satan, whom he made, tells me that Jesus was not as strong and as knowing as his father.

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logisticmosquito did confuse me there for a bit; thanks for clearing that up anotherhuman

Well I think Jesus did what he did to end the mass slaughters of infants in the search for a savior. Would anyone really be surprised if we find out the missing link betwwen ape and alien is human?

Lexus! Come back! We like talking to you! Argue back! Don't give up so damn easily! I thought you based a whole life around christianity. The least you can do is defend it!<br />
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You're all the bloody same, one decent argument and you blow!<br />
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outa here...ya'll have fun now...<br />
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JD is dancing around....im thinking he wants attention....LMAO

refraining from the obvious comment...just cause..

Smebro.... your so right. Arguing from a standpoint of infinite complexity is a dead end. <br />
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K.I.S.S. The engineers motto... Keep it simple stupid!<br />
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Laz, happy in the simplicity of true understanding. Seems obvious to me, yet i am always amazed at how these theists want to muddy the waters. <br />
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I'd take Feynman, Einstein, Watson & Crick into battle every time as my wingmen. **** the trinity ;)

wow, this sh-t is still going. its never ending really. there is no proof on either side of this debate. <br />
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although, the invisible dinosaur is so compelling; atleast it was visible at one time

I think chosenone should unblock sembro...he is so very entertaining!!!<br />
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And..Im still not no freakin ape....well...only somedays...HAHAHA

As I understand it, faith is the believing of something without evidence. In fact I have seen examples of faith were the stupider the belief or faith the more venerated is the believer! <br />
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I'll take a stab at it... "I have faith that Robbie Williams's soul will give up drugs and girls before his body does!"<br />
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Prove my faith wrong! You can't, Robbie can't... It's all bollocks!<br />
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Your an ape like the rest of us... and i'd take that as a compliment if i were you.<br />
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Laz

Laz..come on. Im not an ape...LOL<br />
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Cant there be room in your world for others to believe something you dont?

As I understand it, faith is the believing of something without evidence. In fact I have seen examples of faith were the stupider the belief or faith the more venerated is the believer! <br />
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I'll take a stab at it... "I have faith that Robbie Williams's soul will give up drugs and girls before his body does!"<br />
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Prove my faith wrong! You can't, Robbie can't... It's all bollocks!<br />
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Your an ape like the rest of us... and i'd take that as a compliment if i were you.<br />
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Laz

As I understand it, faith is the believing of something without evidence. In fact I have seen examples of faith were the stupider the belief or faith the more venerated is the believer! <br />
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I'll take a stab at it... "I have faith that Robbie Williams's soul will give up drugs and girls before his body does!"<br />
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Prove my faith wrong! You can't, Robbie can't... It's all bollocks!<br />
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Your an ape like the rest of us... and i'd take that as a compliment if i were you.<br />
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Laz

Laz...fits just fine....:)<br />
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There as far as I know is no proof either way. I do beleive this is by design. If there were...there would be absolutely no need for faith. We have free will...if you want to beleive the sky is held up by hot dogs...go for it...LOL (I read sarcasm just fine)<br />
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Its my job to tell and to try to lead others to Christ. It is not to beat them over the head until they comply.<br />
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Say...need any relish for those hot dogs??...might have some in the fridge...:)

Is the Invisible Dinosaur truly the Father of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?<br />
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As is written in the writings I have just written... but thought about quite a bit (honest, i thought so hard i had to give up music, drugs and sleeping with initiates in the seminary!)? <br />
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Laz (May you be touched by his noodly appendage!)

I have no need to prove there is not a tooth fairy / god/ santa etc. If you are convinced one exists the the onus is upon you to provide the evidence. <br />
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Look, if i ran up to you and said "The sky is held up with giant hot dogs!" Then you would be quite right to ask me "Yeah? How'd you know this?" If I said "I went away and thought about it really, really hard and the more I think about it the more I think it's true!" (This is "revelation" or how the bible was written) then you'd be quite right in dismissing me as a total idiot! <br />
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But if i offered photographs of the hot dogs, took you to see them, we tasted them, took them away and the sky really did fall, then you might believe me. <br />
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Where does your cosy little myth sit in the above analogy?<br />
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Laz

nope ill ask you though...does he look like Barney?? I perfer my dinosaurs purple.

Can you prove there is not a God?

For all you christians out there. And other denominations of course, I'm not biased, I think you're all fruitcakes. But humour me.... do this one thing.<br />
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Now, just imagine... How would the world you live in, the universe you inhabit, look if there were no god. What would everyday life, scientific experiment, geological survey, love, friendship, Saturday afternoons... in fact the whole of your experience change if there really was no god, no jesus, no angels...?<br />
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How does "Just the way it looks now..." sound?<br />
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How would the world you observe differ from one without a god in it, or a saviour, or a righter of wrongs, a redeemer, an answerer of prayers, a prime mover... ? I'll bet my Tilley hat that you could not, in a decent, double blind trial, come up with a single shred of difference between a universe with a god and one without. <br />
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If this is true, you are guilty of adding complexity where it is not needed. Explaining things with hugely convoluted waffle where a simple explanation does just fine. If you think life is too complex to start without a god, then how does a god start? He has to be more complex than the first replicator, so where did he come from? <br />
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You can't simply say "god did it!" because you are arguing that such a complex thing as life could not start from simplicity, so an incredibly complex higher being, capable of creating the universe (no mean feat!), creating man and the whole of the natural world about us, listening to and forgiving the prayers and sins of millions (parallel processing, multi-thread operation, data acquisition modes, data processing, weather modification) and forgiving individual organisms would tend to indicate a very complex being indeed. <br />
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So the "Life is too improbable to have arisen in the chemical soup of early earth, or the periodically wet and then dry ice of comets" theory kinda goes out of the window because, from your standpoint, you then have to explain the origin of this thing you call god! This very, very complex thing you call god.<br />
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So how do you square this away in your tiny, faith sodden, closed little minds? If life was too damned improbable to have started up on it's own, then how did your complex sky fairy arrive? <br />
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Hint: Saying he was always there doesn't count as an argument!<br />
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hahaha....depends if Ive had several ap<x>pletini's or not...

LOL...then dont chase me around. I am terrible at times with grammar and spelling.....hehehe

Dotty...be nice!....LOL<br />
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i would though love for chosenone to come back to her story and tell us why she deleted comments.

bob...i was so just wondering the same thing...LOL

Damn! How did this go from 4 to 128 comments in no time?

THE LAST Page in the bible is missing , it reads , all characters in this book are based on fictitious characters etc etc

well....i picked a heck of a time to go have dinner didnt I?...LOL <br />
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stirred up trouble it seems...thats cool...I love it when people get to express their opinions.<br />
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I dont think the poster should have deleted comments...I am curious as to why she felt that was necessary.<br />
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I dont believe dunking in water is necessary...as far as I can tell the Bible says there is one way to salvation. It isnt through something we do...its through accecpting Jesus as our savior. Period...end of story.<br />
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Im sorry I didnt read all 124 comments...but think i get the idea of what has been said.

exactly dotty, people give themselves too little credit and instead make it out to be an act of god

i am glad i stayed long enough to see RockyouBebeh's post, it makes me happy to know there are good people out there<br />
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now i must go save someone from the backbreaking labor of moving all by his lonesome

as long as someone believes in something*, hell, anything that inspires them. then power to them.

RockYouBebeh<br />
my comment was based on the fact that so many people thank god when things go right. 'thank god i got this promotion' 'thank god i have healthy children' when in actuality it would be ones own skills that one learned that landed them a promotion. and it would be ones own genetics that ensured their child was healthy. why do we thank him for so much and then just assume hes mysterious when things go wrong

RockyouBebeh ... :)<br />
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that was thoughtful and not condescending<br />
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FAITH (not religion) needs someone to defend it

if this matters at all...i am a christian..didnt used to be, and i believe it is a personal choice. i believe in myself by the way, why would i be posting something like this? (commenting to an earlier comment to someone who said religion is for people who dont believe in themselves) i dont find anything wrong with those who dont believe nor do i feel against them, bird- the bible DID say that all men are created equal, so where does it say believers are held any higher? the only way a person can believe is through personal experiences and where their life has taken them, having no influence or example to really show them a reason to believe has happened. i think one of the main things god would judge for you to be in heaven is how you are as a person, if you are a good person, and good towards others, loving, etc...not that it be their fault they dont believe*I also don't like labels. I don't even really like labeling myself christian. i believe every religion has its faults and can have some things twisted around, but when you look at it, every religion seems to be looking forward to the same things..going in the same direction as if they all came from one religion in the beginning. the true religion. i personally think there is room to believe many different things and not have to strictly follow a labeled religion.

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i believe in believing<br />
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i guess it all boils down to what you choose to 'have faith' or believe in

i have faith in logic, however, i see very little evidence that people USE logic

logic has its place, a very prominent place, but i also think that faith has its place<br />
as i said before, i'm not an athiest, i am just anti-religion<br />
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religion and faith are two different things

me too anotherhuman.<br />
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i also have faith in myself

logic has no place in religion<br />
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religion requires blind faith, and when you are blinded by faith, you cannot see logic

bird, you sin like everyone else, but yet you think some sort of repetence will save you. how logical is that

how many versions? how many people are there? how many people have ever walked on this planet and believed in any deity? that is how many versions there are

the new and improved. seriously how many versions are there.

sharing your testimonials and telling someone they will burn in hell for eternity are two different things, anotherhuman<br />
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one is about peace and love, and trying to help people, the other is a threat

Self righteous I sin like everyone else. We are all in the same boat, and as far as loving people i don't know that is just changing the way I used to be a man full of hate. We all have our own circumstances. Maybe there is a reason you don't believe, remember Im not judging you just putting my point of view like you are.

that vengeful god is sooo old testament<br />
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the new and improved one is supposed to be loving and forgiving

the thought of someone burning is heart breaking....if its a house fire. but the thought of someone burning for eternity for not believing in a single being. well thats just horrible too, as if god is some sort of mean dictator. believe in me or suffer the consequences

the thought of someone living in ignorance breaks my heart <br />
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but, i suppose we do as we choose and face the consequences later

If there's no hell than don't worry. the thought of someone burning forever breaks my heart. I guess it comes down to free will. We do as we choose and face the consequences later.

i concur<br />
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this could have been a beautiful conversation, instead, it felt like a personal attack, which is why so many non-believers refuse to take to believers

very self-righteous

eyes, i read anotherhumans comment wrong, i reread it and realized who she was talking to so i deleted that comment<br />
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and i feel the same way, i dont need love from brain, he chooses to love everyone, i guess that will look better for him on judgement day

Anotherhuman you are right I meant fathom it's hard trying to keep up with two people writing and I believe in having your own beliefs as well that's why I said I still love you. This is nothing personal. I didn't believe like you when I was younger, that didn't make me a scumbag. I love people for who they are. I have a lot of friends who don't believe, does that mean I shouldn't be there friend, what kind of person would that make me.

i'm no athiest, and have argues with many of those fanatics as well! i disagree with all organized religions, and reject them as being man-made and for the benefit of certain men

i saw nothing offensive in your comments antiyou<br />
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and i completely agree with dotty about being loved by people i respect<br />
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i can respect christians, but not the ones who try to shove it down other people's throats

i dont want love from you, just respect for my beliefs

Religion is the meme that infects the stupid, the very young and the insecure.<br />
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We don't believe in your particular brand of sky fairy just as we don't believe in Zeus, Poseidon, Loki and all the others. <br />
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You are using religion to shield your paltry brain from the truth. There is no reason we are here, we have no life after death, this is all there is. The universe cares not if you live or die. No one is waiting to catch you when you die, this is not the dress rehearsal. <br />
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The majesty of the natural universe explained via the scientific method trounces your sad little myths. I am not jealous of your certainty of everlasting life, I am monumentally sad that you will die knowing nothing of the wonders that enabled you to sit and write the post you opened this thread with. <br />
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I feel no need for an imaginary friend as I have the universe to console me. I am content to stand in front of infinity and have no idea why we are here. Or even if that question has any meaning whatsoever. As Feynman said, as far as i can see there is no reason and it is meaningless even to ask it. <br />
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You are an emotional simpleton. Find some courage man and face the reality of your existence. To face infinity, unflinching, with just your own reason to hold you up... Now that is courage, not your parochial little late bronze age myths written by sheep herding misogynists.<br />
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I am still shocked that the meme called christianity has survived into the 21st century... You should be ashamed of yourself. Your letting your species down!<br />
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and i meant i have had someone else hold a gun to my head

I meant if someone had a gun to your head not you,but I still love you

and btw, i've had a gun to my head<br />
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i did not fell the need to have some imaginary pretend guy to come save me

bird, that is sad that you actually assume that only one aspect of my life will determine whether or not i go to hell/ heaven. you dont know me. i am a wonderful good person. and if there is a god, with all the proof hes left for us to find, then he should be pretty darn understanding as to why i question his existence.

if that was meant to frighten us non-believers, it won't work because we don't actually believe in hell<br />
sorry darlin<br />
and if it were somehow true, i think i would choose not to be around the closed minded hard-core believers anyhow... i would have to kill myself, and seeing as i'd already be dead... you can see how that would be a problem<br />
good luck on your own trip

The bottom line is, and it is in the Bible which you don't believe anyway. There are people who will believe and those who wont. They will spend Eternity in separate places, the one who believes will be with God and they other will meat the same fate as Satan, so good luck and hope sometime in you life, on you death bed or if you have a gun to your head you will believe that we all need God. I still Love ya.

is there a group to post those horror stories to?

dotty, i do not believe that he wishes to be argued with, therefore, coherency is not in his best interest<br />
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if the argument is convoluted and incomprehensible enough, we cannot counter it, therefore he interprets that he has won<br />
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i have argues with fanatics many times

bird,that doesnt even make sense

how does one Fatima anything?<br />
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and they don't mean the translation/interpretation of the words, they mean what your mind does when you see the words, you WANT to believe, so you twist it to fit your belief system

There are Bibles that was interrupted before satellites where even thought of yet. How can they even Fatima something like that