Whether I Can Or Can't, It Doesn't Matter In the End

arcam... i see where you are coming from. I do agree with you on being nice to each other part But my views on this subject still didn't change. However i do respect your opinion tho and what you believe in. I always thought that the way someone sees the meaning of life comes from the way that a person has been raised. For example... i grew up in an environment where i was told that god created the earth, do good go to heaven, do bad go to hell... so basic christian stuff. But some another person might of grown up in a house where the dad was a scientist and all he talked about evolution and stuff like that. So that person will clearly have a different view on the meaning/point of life. Do u see what i'm trying to say. Another example... Take a kid that was raised in a Taliban. His parents raised him that it is ok to kill. So if he kills someone it will be like he is doing a right think. But on the other hand you take a kid from america where all his life he was told killing is wrong. So my point is that we believe in what we were raised to believe in. So basicly the someones meaning of life depends on the factor how and by who we were raised. WELL... hit me up arcam... tell me if you agree with me on this one.

Hey WhoCar3s. Thanks for the comment. Here are my thoughts on what you said.



First of all, I do wonder how it all happened, how I got here. And I admit the possibility of a God that does not reveal himself. But I certainly think that the Gods of all religions are fictitious. That being said, I think the likelihood of any God existing is very small.



When I see the Earth, I don't think "Wow, this place is perfect for us, it is miraculous." What I do think is more along the lines of "Wow, we are well adapted to inhabit this place."



For the most part, the Earth is not hospitable. We can live on only a very small portion of it, and if statistics mean anything, then humans will soon be extinct. We are in the 0.1% of species that have not gone extinct over the course of life on Earth. Chances are, we will be in that 99.9% eventually.



Rather I see that we are on Earth because it is possible to be. There are literally billions of planets. A lot of them can't support life. However, out of all those planets, I think it quite naive to say that Earth is the only one with water, and the only one the right distance from the Sun. In fact, Nasa has found distant planets that are very Earth like.



I don't think Earth was made for us, but rather that we are on Earth just because it is one of the planets that can support us.



And yes, I do think that life is random. But it isn't really as absurd as you seem to think. From what we know of ancient Earth, we can see that Amino Acids would have formed readily. The entire process leading up to prokaryotic cells is really, as far as I'm concerned, quite simple, and very likely the way it happened.



The other examples you give, such as the eye forming perfectly and randomly, are of course, due to evolution. These are not random. I wish to stress that as much as I possibly can. Gene mutations occur. These cause slight changes. The mutation itself is due to chance, but that is the only aspect of randomness. Once the slight change has occurred, the creature is tested out by nature. If the mutation was beneficial, then it is more likely to breed and reproduce, thus bringing about a new species.



Let's take the eye for example. This is something that could have evolved over millions of years. Many like to say that without just one aspect of the eye, it would be useless. But that is not true, and we can see it in real life examples.



First, the most primitive eye would be what we call an eyespot. It is just a light sensor basically. It doesn't 'see.' It just tells the creature whether it is facing a light spot or a dark spot.



Then we could have it specialize and have a bit of a dent on the front surface. The deeper this dent, the more refined the detection of light could be.



The opening to the pit would then get smaller, focusing the light. The pit could have changed to receive coloured light. Then a lens could have formed to sharpen the image. And thus we have modern eyes.



But even our eyes aren't great. Veins run across the eye, rather than through it, so if one should burst, our vision is impaired. Aside from that, we can only see a very small fraction of light. That is what we call the visible spectrum. There are other animals that can see infrared light, etc.







Now, aside from all that mumbo jumbo, let's get back to the main point. The meaning of life. You said the meaning of life is to find love, to leave a legacy with your children.



But my whole point is that it doesn't matter if you succeed in leaving strong memories with the world. You can have statues built on every corner of every country, and your name can be lit up in the sky every night. You can be the most charitable person ever, who also happened to cure aids, and cancer.



Everyone will know you. But imagine the day when humans no longer exist. Will you have really made a difference? I don't think so. We are so insignificant in this whole thing, that really, no matter what we do, it doesn't matter.



And, as I have said, the only God I could even begin to consider is one that has not revealed himself, so making peace with God is also quite unimportant to me.



On the flip side, I think the meaning of life is just to be nice to each other. As I've said before, we are all stuck in this boat, we might as well all row, and make it as enjoyable for everyone as we can, because to suffer only to die is a terrible way to spend what is probably your only shot at conscious existence.

I think life is pointless, kind of, in a way. But i do believe there is a god, and i really want to. Because if you just look around and ask yourself the questions of why we are alive you will began to wonder. Cuz if you look at the picture of the world outside the box it will make you think.... Like did everything really just randomly happened. the planet earth was perfectly positioned the perfect distance from the sun that made life possible. Not too far away so it will be too cold for life to form or too hot for life to form. and then there is randomly water on our plannet and no other planet has water on it. and is it random that there is a force field around our planet that protects us from the suns radiation and meteriods.... is random that we have the moon circling the earth? Just everything is set up too perfect... you know what i mean. and if there is a smart *** answering these questions in a scientific point of view answer this.... How does averything in our body just perfectly works the way it does. Scientist think that just one day some little atoms just RANDOMLY decided to possition themselfs into lipids, proteins, and just made the dna, the cardiac system, the eye, the brain,ect... i don't think so man. just look at your hand right now and move your fingers around, bend them up and down and think if everything is still random. I'm not saying that i'm really christian and i'm all about god. I'm just a person like you trying to figure out why are we on this planet. All that you do is live and die. and the chances are that no one is going to remember you. No one but your family, if you have one. I think thats why it is important to have a fimily. Because when you're died your son/daughter will think about you and how hard it was for you to put something on the table, to provide shelter, ect....... Actually to be honest i think i just figured out the meaning of life.(for me atleast). It is to find love, have a family, Have kids, and make peace with god. I hope someone actually agrees with me because i don't want to be the only one thing that way. hit me up if you do. i just found this site like 30minutes ago. and it is my birthday today so i just felt like writing about it. becuase thats what have been bothering me the whole day is just finding out the meaning of live. i should start a journal. and sorry for just writing stuff out of my head. ahahahahahaha..... Algore is my here. lol no jk... but that guy is still cool

Hey, sorry it took SOOOO long to respond, I went mountain climbing and it was great. You have brought up a lot of points, and while I would like to go through them all, I feel it would be a waste of time. Instead, I would like to try and summarize in a way that should respond to most of your points.



First and foremost, you said that I am spreading my negativity, but this is wholly untrue for a couple reasons. To start, I have simply posted my feelings on the internet, I really don't care if your opinion is different than mine, and I would appreciate your allowing my right to free speech. Secondly, I don't think that life being pointless is a negative thing. Perhaps some people would find it negative, but I am not one of them.



I never meant for anyone to argue my points, as quite frankly, if you have a different opinion, I'm fine to let you have it, and I had expected others to be as kind to me.



Also, I never said that communism would work. I said that true communism would be ideal, though I fully admit that it is impossible. This of course in response to you calling me commie brainwashed.



I feel like you have picked a fight over nothing. My saying that I am seperated from God was NEVER meant as an argument for anything, it is to be taking as a premise. And no, I can't prove that God doesn't exist, but that also is not my point. My point is simply that I don't prescribe to any religious belief, nor do I hold a belief in any God.



I don't mind that some people "sense god within them" or that it gives "their lives positive meaning." They are entitled to that. At no time did I argue this. I never argued anything in fact. I simply stated my opinion, and in my opinion, there likely is no God. If other people feel the opposite and are thus made happy by it, all the better for them.



In my opinion, however, they are very probably wrong. I don't mind saying that as long as you understand that I say it in respect to my opinion. It is my opinion that they are wrong. I am not trying to make anyone else believe they are wrong, I am simply sharing my feelings, and if others read it and come to agree with me then so be it, but it is not my intention.



You see, I find solace in thinking that there is an eventual end. Do I love life? Of course I do. When I was mountain climbing I had my breath taken away a few times by something as simple as a mountain, and I loved it. But for me, thinking that my life will end, and that I will not have made a difference, is somewhat comforting.





If you don't agree, then so be it, but please allow me my own opinions, and please read my posts as personal expression and not argument, because I am not here to argue with other people about what life is and what life isn't it. Life is too short for such trivialities. And with that, I bid thee adieu.

@Vexonic:



a) I think you have been brainwashed into thinking communism is evil, whereas in reality, true communism would be ideal and the least evil thing possible. What's better than everyone being considered true equals?



b) I agree, Mozart is great. But when everyone is dead, will the fact that Mozart was great matter? Will it matter that you liked Mozart? No, it won't matter. Amazingly, the universe does not revolve around us. We are such an incredibly small part of it all, that even if life goes entirely extinct, the universe will just keep going. Planets the Earth won't stop moving just because we die. Face it, we have no purpose, and we will make no difference in the wider world than our little social glee club we call the world society. We are utterly and absolutely useless and most of us are to proud to admit it.



@1001parachutes:



Assuming you are still alive, you don't suck at life. And even if you did, it doesn't matter!



One other note: We are all stuck in this boat together, we might as well all help paddle to shore.

it's what you make of it. thinking about and analyzing god or the idea of god, however you put it, ruins alot of people. some can't get over their frustrated confusions or long-sought discoveries, but some can endure what they have learned through their ponderings. i hope that you endure... do whatever it takes!

Hello,



Ah well, I wasn't actually moaning at you though more like saying stuff in general. just opening a discussion because I know there are people out there who do not enjoy life or don't even cherish it. of course god is a big question mark but as far as I know he always will be.

but as you say it yes it is pointless. though we might have not discovered the meaning yet....

@nineohnine:



I think you misunderstand my point. I don't believe in God. And I do find life pointless. I don't think I ever once said I don't enjoy life. I enjoy it quite a lot actually, and I am glad that I get the opportunity. However, I think it is pointless, as even the fun I have has no lasting point. I am not depressed by it at all, in fact, I also shared an experience in the group "I don't care that life is pointless." I've just accepted that that is the way it is, and I really don't mind it!

See, people or rather humans take life soo serious that they want to be remembered, as for me I just want to live! I want to enjoy my life and share it with the one I want to! And to my notice there is no law that says that if you are 26 or w.e. you have to get kids, no, we just do that because we are either bored and cannot enjoy our lives without little bastards then fine, but this is what the humans did, not the earth and certainly not "god" as you name him. though if you say it is gods will then it is also his will that the earth will be destroyed,, well why the hell would he do that for?

He didn't create us, we created him and everything around it. only problem with the bible is that it has some loose ends so it looks far more true than any other fantasy book. However, I can't say this unless I am 100% sure there is not god, which I don't know for sure. However I try to live my life like I want it to be at that certain time and I certainly do no let people tell me how to live.. gimme a break.



Life is only pointless if you forget to enjoy it.





//Chloe