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God Sacrificed Himself...

God sacrificed himself, to himself, to appease himself, to change a rule that he made in the first place.  So he won't have to roast us alive, his beloved creation, for ever and ever.  He loves us so much, we cannot even comprehend, but if we don't love him back, he will hasta la vista our soul into the molten lava jaccuzzi for all eternity. 

Isn't sacrificing your only begotten son child sacrifice?

Why does Jesus never say he was willing sacrificing himself?

How come we don't have any eyewitness account of Jesus?  The first gospel written was written 70 years after he died.

How come the people who wrote about Jesus, never knew him, but the 12 people who did write nothing?

Why did Jesus do the same miracles the other gods did centuries before Jesus did them?

The first book of the Bible written is by Paul in 56 AD, who says that he never knew Jesus. 

Paul died in 64 AD, during the Neronian persecution, how come there are seven books attributed to Paul that were written after that?  Did he inspire men to write them after he died?

Why are there two different 10 commandments in the Bible? 

How come no one has seen the Bible as it was originally written?  Not even the people who wrote it.  By the time the last of the books were being written the older ones had already been worn out and copied.  We don't have first copies or even second copies, what we have, in most cases, are copies centuries removed for the originals.   There are more variations between the copies than are words in the New Testament.  We can't go back and check to see what is original and what was copy error or changed, because the originals have been lost to history, and no one has any idea what they said.

Taphy Taphy 41-45, F 22 Responses Jul 27, 2008

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Hi so do you believe in the Trinity since you said God sacrificed himself?

The truth of this matter IS that YOU'RE the one that's confused. . The word of God is not meant that all shall receive it... Jesus himself referred to himself as the son of man.. So with that being said he was just a man. . Jesus never referred to himself not once as being THE LORD. But instead prayed to THE LORD in several occasions, even on the cross before he took his last breath. ...

Jesus himself taught that no "man has seen the Father" - John 6:46. <br />
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"The head of the Christ is God" in the same way that "the head of every man is the Christ." (1 Corinthians 11:3)<br />
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Jesus said, "The Father is greater than I."—John 14:28, RS, Catholic edition. <br />
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"If by one man’s trespass many died, the undeserved kindness of God and his free gift with the undeserved kindness by the one MAN Jesus Christ abounded much more to many." - Romans 5:15<br />
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"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a MAN, Christ Jesus." - 1 Timothy 2:5<br />
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“In reply Jesus said to [Satan]: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”” - Luke 4:8<br />
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“Jehovah your God you should fear, and him you should serve.” - Deuteronomy 6:13<br />
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Jesus taught, “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’” - Matthew 22:37<br />
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“[Y]ou must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your vital force.” - Deuteronomy 6:5<br />
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Jesus never claimed to be God. Everything he said about himself indicates that he did not consider himself equal to God in any way—not in power, not in knowledge, not in age. <br />
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In every period of his existence, whether in heaven or on earth, his speech and conduct reflect subordination to God. God is always the superior, Jesus the lesser one who was created by God.

“[Stephen] gazed into heaven and caught sight [] of Jesus standing at God's right hand." (Acts 7:55)<br />
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"You [Jesus] loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners." - Hebrews 1:9<br />
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"After that will come the end, when he [Jesus in heaven – Michael the Archangel] will hand over the kingdom to God [] . . . Then the Son himself will be subjected to the One who has subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all."—1 Corinthians 15:24, 28, NJB. <br />
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"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." - Ephesians 1:3<br />
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“No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.” - John 1:18

Jesus was Jehovah God's very first creation - Proverbs 8:22-31; Colossians 1:15-17; Revelation 3:14<br />
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At John 20:17 Jesus said to Mary Magdalene: "I am ascending [] to my God and your God." (RS, Catholic edition)<br />
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"Blessed be the God [] of our Lord Jesus Christ." - 2 Corinthians 1:3<br />
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"O my God, my Holy One, you do not die." - Habakkuk 1:12<br />
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"God [] resurrected [Jesus]." (Acts 2:24)<br />
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"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him." (Revelation 1:1, RS, Catholic edition)<br />
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"God exalted this one [Jesus] . . . to his right hand." (Acts 5:31)<br />
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"God exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position." (Philippians 2:9)<br />
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“Christ [] entered heaven itself, so that he could appear in the actual presence of God." (Hebrews 9:24, JB)

Imagine a weather forecaster who has a long record of being right—every time. If he predicted rain, would you carry an umbrella?<br />
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THE Bible is filled with predictions, or prophecies. Its record, as documented by history, is clear. Bible prophecy is always right.<br />
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Distinguishing features. Bible prophecies are often specific and have been fulfilled down to the smallest of details. They usually involve matters of great importance and predict the opposite of what those living at the time of the writing might have been expecting.<br />
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The Bible accurately foretold that a leader named Cyrus would conquer mighty Babylon<br />
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An outstanding example. Strategically built astride the Euphrates River, ancient Babylon has been called “the political, religious, and cultural centre of the ancient Orient.” About 732 B.C.E., the prophet Isaiah penned an ominous prophecy—Babylon would fall. Isaiah provided specifics: A leader named “Cyrus” would be the conqueror, the protective waters of the Euphrates would “dry up,” and the city’s gates would “not be shut.” (Isaiah 44:27–45:3) Some 200 years later, on October 5, 539 B.C.E., the prophecy was fulfilled in all its details. Greek historian Herodotus (fifth century B.C.E.) confirmed the manner of Babylon’s fall.<br />
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A bold detail. Isaiah made a further startling prediction regarding Babylon: “She will never be inhabited.” (Isaiah 13:19, 20) To predict permanent desolation for a sprawling city occupying a strategic location was bold indeed. You would normally expect that such a city would be rebuilt if ruined. Although Babylon lingered on for a while after its conquest, Isaiah’s words eventually came true. Today the site of ancient Babylon “is flat, hot, deserted and dusty,” reports Smithsonian magazine.<br />
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It is awesome to contemplate the magnitude of Isaiah’s prophecy. What he foretold would be the equivalent of predicting the exact manner in which a modern city, such as New York or London, would be destroyed 200 years from now and then emphatically stating that it would never again be inhabited. Of course, most remarkable is the fact that Isaiah’s prophecy came true!<br />
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In this series of articles, we have considered some of the evidence that has convinced millions of people that the Bible is trustworthy. They therefore look to it as a reliable guide to direct their steps. Why not learn more about the Bible so that you can decide for yourself whether you too can trust it?

The Bible is not a science textbook. Yet, when it comes to scientific matters, the Bible is noteworthy not only for what it says but also for what it does not say.<br />
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Free of unscientific views. Many mistaken beliefs gained wide acceptance in ancient times. Views about the earth ranged from the idea that it was flat to the notion that tangible substances or ob<x>jects held it aloft. Long before science learned about the spread and prevention of disease, physicians employed some practices that were ineffective at best, lethal at worst. But not once in its more than 1,100 chapters does the Bible endorse any unscientific views or harmful practices.<br />
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Far ahead of its time, the Bible correctly stated that the earth is circular and hangs “upon nothing”<br />
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Scientifically sound statements. Some 3,500 years ago, the Bible stated that the earth is hanging “upon nothing.” (Job 26:7) In the eighth century B.C.E., Isaiah clearly referred to “the circle [or, sphere] of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22) A spherical earth held in empty space without any visible or physical means of support—does not that desc<x>ription sound remarkably modern?<br />
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Written about 1500 B.C.E., the Mosaic Law (found in the first five books of the Bible) contained sound laws regarding quarantining of the sick, treatment of dead bodies, and disposal of waste.—Leviticus 13:1-5; Numbers 19:1-13; Deuteronomy 23:13, 14.<br />
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Partly as a result of turning powerful telescopes toward the heavens, scientists have concluded that the universe had a sudden “birth.” Not all scientists like the implications of this explanation. One professor noted: “A universe that began seems to demand a first cause; for who could imagine such an effect without a sufficient cause?” Yet, long before telescopes, the very first verse of the Bible plainly stated: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”—Genesis 1:1.<br />
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Even though it is an ancient book and touches on many subjects, the Bible contains no scientific inaccuracies. Does not such a book merit, at the very least, our consideration?

Imagine asking 40 men from varied backgrounds to write a book, each writing a section. The writers live in a number of lands and do not all know one another. Some do not know what the others have written. Would you expect a book thus produced to be harmonious?<br />
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The Bible is such a book. Written under even more unusual conditions than those described above, its internal harmony is nothing less than profound.<br />
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Unique circumstances. The Bible was written over a span of some 1,600 years, from 1513 B.C.E. to about 98 C.E. Many of the approximately 40 writers thus lived centuries apart. Their occupations were varied. Some were fishermen, others were shepherds or kings, and one was a physician.<br />
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A harmonious message. The Bible penmen developed one central theme: the vindication of God’s right to rule mankind and the fulfillment of his purpose by means of his heavenly Kingdom, a world government. That theme is introduced in Genesis, expanded on in the books that follow, and brought to a climax in Revelation.<br />
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Agreement on details. The Bible writers agreed on even minute details, but often this harmony was clearly unintentional. Note an example. The Bible writer John tells us that when a large crowd came to hear Jesus, Jesus specifically asked Philip where to buy some loaves to feed the people. (John 6:1-5) In a parallel account, Luke says that this took place near the city of Bethsaida. Earlier in his book, John happened to have said that Philip was from Bethsaida. (Luke 9:10; John 1:44) So Jesus naturally addressed his question to one of the men who had lived nearby. The details agree—but with an obvious lack of intent to make them harmonious.<br />
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Reasonable differences. There are some differences between certain accounts, but should we not expect this? Suppose a group of people witnessed a crime. If each one mentioned the same details using the same words, would you not suspect collusion? Reasonably, the testimony of each would vary somewhat according to his particular angle of view. So it was with the Bible writers.<br />
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Was Jesus’ garment purple or scarlet?<br />
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Consider an example. Did Jesus wear a purple garment on the day of his death, as Mark and John report? (Mark 15:17; John 19:2) Or was it scarlet, as Matthew says? (Matthew 27:28) Really, both can be correct. Purple has components of red in it. Depending on the observer’s angle of view, light reflection and background could have subdued certain hues, giving different casts to the garment.<br />
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The harmony of the Bible writers, including their unintentional consistency, further stamps their writings as trustworthy.

The Bible writers were honest men who wrote with openness of heart. Their candor gives their writing the clear ring of truth.<br />
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Mistakes and shortcomings. The Bible writers openly admitted their own failures and weaknesses. Moses told of a mistake he made that cost him dearly. (Numbers 20:7-13) Asaph explained that for a time he found himself envying the prosperous life of the wicked. (Psalm 73:1-14) Jonah told of his disobedience and the bad attitude he initially had when God showed mercy to repentant sinners. (Jonah 1:1-3; 3:10; 4:1-3) Matthew freely related that he had abandoned Jesus on the night of Jesus’ arrest.—Matthew 26:56.<br />
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Bible writers, such as Jonah, recorded their own mistakes<br />
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The writers of the Hebrew sc<x>riptures laid bare the repeated grumbling and rebellion of their own people. (2 Chronicles 36:15, 16) The writers spared no one, not even the rulers of their nation. (Ezekiel 34:1-10) With similar candor, the letters of the apostles reported the serious problems experienced by individual Christians, including responsible ones, as well as by some congregations in the first century C.E.—1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 2 Timothy 2:16-18; 4:10.<br />
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Unflattering truth. The Bible writers did not try to gloss over what some might have viewed as embarrassing truth. The first-century Christians frankly acknowledged that they were not admired by the world around them but were looked upon as foolish and ignoble. (1 Corinthians 1:26-29) The writers noted that Jesus’ apostles were seen as “unlettered and ordinary.”—Acts 4:13.<br />
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The Gospel writers did not color the facts in order to cast Jesus in a more favorable light. Rather, they reported honestly that he was born under humble circumstances into a working-class family, that he did not study at the prestigious schools of his day, and that the majority of his listeners rejected his message.—Matthew 27:25; Luke 2:4-7; John 7:15.<br />
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Clearly, the Bible gives ample evidence that it is the product of honest writers. Does their honesty win your trust?

It would be hard to trust a book that is found to contain inaccuracies. Imagine reading a modern history book that dated the second world war to the 1800’s or that called the president of the United States a king. Would such inaccuracies not raise questions in your mind about the overall reliability of the book?<br />
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No one has ever successfully challenged the historical accuracy of the Bible. It refers to real people and real events.<br />
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People. Bible critics questioned the existence of Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor of Judea who handed Jesus over to be impaled. (Matthew 27:1-26) Evidence that Pilate was once ruler of Judea is etched on a stone discovered at the Mediterranean seaport city of Caesarea in 1961.<br />
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Before 1993, there was no proof outside the Bible to support the historicity of David, the brave young shepherd who later became king of Israel. That year, however, archaeologists uncovered in northern Israel a basalt stone, dated to the ninth century B.C.E., that experts say bears the words “House of David” and “king of Israel.”<br />
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Events. Until recently, many scholars doubted the accuracy of the Bible’s account of the nation of Edom battling with Israel in the time of David. (2 Samuel 8:13, 14) Edom, they argued, was a simple pastoral society at the time and did not become sufficiently organized or have the might to threaten Israel until much later. However, recent excavations indicate that “Edom was a complex society centuries earlier [than previously thought], as reflected in the Bible,” states an article in the journal Biblical Archaeology Review.<br />
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Proper titles. There were many rulers on the world stage during the 16 centuries that the Bible was being written. When the Bible refers to a ruler, it always uses the proper title. For example, it correctly refers to Herod Antipas as “district ruler” and Gallio as “proconsul.” (Luke 3:1; Acts 18:12) Ezra 5:6 refers to Tattenai, the governor of the Persian province “beyond the River,” the Euphrates River. A coin produced in the fourth century B.C.E. contains a similar desc<x>ription, identifying the Persian governor Mazaeus as ruler of the province “Beyond the River.”<br />
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Accuracy in seemingly minor details is no small matter. If we can trust the Bible writers in even small details, should that not bolster our confidence in the other things they wrote?

What Really Is Hell? <br />
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Whatever image the word "hell" brings to your mind, hell is generally thought of as a place of punishment for sin. Concerning sin and its effect, the Bible says: "Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." (Romans 5:12) The sc<x>riptures also state: "The wages sin pays is death." (Romans 6:23) Since the punishment for sin is death, the fundamental question in determining the true nature of hell is: What happens to us when we die? <br />
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Does life of some kind, in some form, continue after death? What is hell, and what kind of people go there? Is there any hope for those in hell? The Bible gives truthful and satisfying answers to these questions. <br />
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Life After Death? <br />
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Does something inside us, like a soul or a spirit, survive the death of the body? Consider how the first man, Adam, came to have life. The Bible states: "Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life." (Genesis 2:7) Though breathing sustained his life, putting "the breath of life" into his nostrils involved much more than simply blowing air into his lungs. It meant that God put into Adam's lifeless body the spark of life—"the force of life," which is active in all earthly creatures. (Genesis 6:17; 7:22) The Bible refers to this animating force as "spirit." (James 2:26) That spirit can be compared to the electric current that activates a machine or an appliance and enables it to perform its function. Just as the current never takes on the features of the equipment it activates, the life-force does not take on any of the characteristics of the creatures it animates. It has no personality and no thinking ability. <br />
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What happens to the spirit when a person dies? Psalm 146:4 says: "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish." When a person dies, his impersonal spirit does not go on existing in another realm as a spirit creature. It "returns to the true God who gave it." (Ecclesiastes 12:7) This means that any hope of future life for that person now rests entirely with God. <br />
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The ancient Greek philosophers Socrates and Plato held that a soul inside a person survives death and never dies. What does the Bible teach about the soul? Adam "came to be a living soul," says Genesis 2:7. He did not receive a soul; he was a soul—a whole person. The sc<x>riptures speak of a soul's doing work, craving food, being kidnapped, experiencing sleeplessness, and so forth. (Leviticus 23:30; Deuteronomy 12:20; 24:7; Psalm 119:28) Yes, man himself is a soul. When a person dies, that soul dies.—Ezekiel 18:4. <br />
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What, then, is the condition of the dead? When pronouncing sentence upon Adam, Jehovah stated: "Dust you are and to dust you will return." (Genesis 3:19) Where was Adam before God formed him from the dust of the ground and gave him life? Why, he simply did not exist! When he died, Adam returned to that state of complete absence of life. <br />
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The condition of the dead is made clear at Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, where we read: “The dead know nothing … Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in HELL, whither thou art hastening.” (RHE, WYC) sc<x>ripturally then, death is a state of nonexistence. The dead have no awareness, no feelings, no thoughts. <br />
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Unending Torment or Common Grave? <br />
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Since the dead have no conscious existence, hell cannot be a fiery place of torment where the wicked suffer after death. What, then, is hell? Examining what happened to Jesus after he died helps to answer that question. The Bible writer Luke recounts: "Neither was [Jesus] forsaken in Hades [hell, King James Version] nor did his flesh see corruption."* (Acts 2:31) Where was the hell to which even Jesus went? The apostle Paul wrote: "I handed on to you . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the sc<x>riptures; and that he was buried, yes, that he has been raised up the third day according to the sc<x>riptures." (1 Corinthians 15:3, 4) So Jesus was in hell, the grave, but he was not abandoned there, for he was raised up, or resurrected. <br />
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Job prayed for protection in hell <br />
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Consider also the case of the righteous man Job, who suffered much. Wishing to escape his plight, he pleaded: "Who will grant me this, that thou mayest protect me in hell [Sheol], and hide me till thy wrath pass?" (Job 14:13, Douay Version) How unreasonable to think that Job desired to go to a fiery-hot place for protection! To Job, "hell" was simply the grave, where his suffering would end. The Bible hell, then, is the common grave of mankind where good people as well as bad ones go. <br />
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Hellfire—All-Consuming? <br />
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Could it be that the fire of hell is symbolic of all-consuming, or thorough, destruction? Separating fire from Hades, or hell, the sc<x>riptures say: "Death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire." "The lake" mentioned here is symbolic, since death and hell (Hades) that are thrown into it cannot literally be burned. "This [lake of fire] means the second death"—death from which there is no hope of coming back to life.—Revelation 20:14. <br />
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Fiery Gehenna—a symbol of eternal destruction <br />
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The lake of fire has a meaning similar to that of "the fiery Gehenna [hell fire, King James Version]" that Jesus spoke of. (Matthew 5:22; Mark 9:47, 48) Gehenna occurs 12 times in the Christian Greek sc<x>riptures, and it refers to the valley of Hinnom, outside the walls of Jerusalem. When Jesus was on earth, this valley was used as a garbage dump, "where the dead bodies of criminals, and the carcasses of animals, and every other kind of filth was cast." (Smith's Dictionary of the Bible) The fires were kept burning by adding sulfur to burn up the refuse. Jesus used that valley as a proper symbol of everlasting destruction. <br />
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As does Gehenna, the lake of fire symbolizes eternal destruction. Death and Hades are "hurled into" it in that they will be done away with when mankind is freed from sin and the condemnation of death. Willful, unrepentant sinners will also have their "portion" in that lake. (Revelation 21:8) They too will be annihilated forever. On the other hand, those in God's memory who are in hell—the common grave of mankind—have a marvelous future. <br />
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Hell Emptied! <br />
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Revelation 20:13 states: "The sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Hades gave up those dead in them." Yes, the Bible hell will be emptied. As Jesus promised, "the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear [Jesus'] voice and come out." (John 5:28, 29) Although no longer presently existing in any form, millions of dead ones who are in Jehovah God's memory will be resurrected, or brought back to life, in a restored earthly paradise.—Luke 23:43; Acts 24:15. <br />
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In the new world of God's making, resurrected humans who comply with his righteous laws will never need to die again. (Isaiah 25:8) Jehovah "will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore." In fact, "the former things [will] have passed away." (Revelation 21:4) What a blessing is in store for those in hell—"the memorial tombs"! This blessing indeed is reason enough for us to take in more knowledge of Jehovah God and his Son, Jesus Christ.—John 17:3.<br />
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Fantastic post Taphy. <br />
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To add to your questions about the authorship of the new testament, and I'm really surprised more people don't ask this:<br />
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Why didn't Jesus write anything down himself?<br />
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It seems if the new testament is so important because it tells us about Jesus wouldn't it make more sense to get the info directly from God/Jesus himself? I think that's proof itself that Jesus wasn't a god. <br />
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Granted there might have been a guy named Yeshua that did some magic tricks in an attempt to convence people he was a god, there were a lot of those sort of con artists back then, but the fact that there are no words directly from the Jesus character proves either God is really, really dumb or the whole thing is a pile of steaming lies. I vote lies.

I would agree with Jujulee about Zionism. But also, the Middle East became a hot spot when Eisenhower put the Shah of Iran back in power in the 1950's due to pressure from British oil companies.<br />
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Antisemitism developed historically because Christians were not allowed to lend money at interest to other Christians due to:<br />
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Deuteronomy 23:19-20<br />
You shall not charge interest to your countrymen: interest on money, food, or anything that may be loaned at interest. You may charge interest to a foreigner, but to your countrymen you shall not charge interest, so that the Lord your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land which you are about to enter to possess.<br />
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Jews were historically the money lenders to Christians and they were also more educated and intellectual. This caused them to be despised.

Hi littledove =),<br />
I was referring to your metaphoric "since the dawn of time everyone has been against Israel...hatred..." etc.<br />
It's not completely true. I thought you were talking about Israel's neighbors, so thats what I referred to....muslims and arabs, neighboring semites. The tension brought about in 1948 was unheard of before then. It's called racism and oppression. It's not a semetic issue, it is a zionist political issue. Research the beliefs of Rabbinical Scholars who reject the occupation of Israel, and who support 'Palestine.'<br />
As for the rest of the world, anti-semitism has many roots. One of which is that Jews were not open to assimilation of other cultures, and the fact that they ran businesses on sundays, thus having greater access to financial power (as time went on). Salaam, Shalom, peace! Maybe you can explain your point further if I'm going on a tangent?...

well what about te rest of the world

Taphy, you make some interesting and good points. <br />
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Little dove, palestinian christians and muslims have been living in peace with the jews of israel for centuries. They were fine neighbors living side by side, until zionism destroyed humanity in 1948.

God didn't sacrafice himself, his son Jesus did and willingly to, and he did it so our sin can be washed away so we can draw cloer to him and have everlasting life through him becuase he loves us and he doesn't wantus to die, but he also loves us enough to let us make our own choice to come to him, there is no real faith when you are forced, and the whole hell thing, he wishes none to perish, and he didn't create hell, he cast saten out of heaven becasue he was trying to be God so he got his own place to rule.<br />
And those gods you mentioned that did all that, that was saten, and I will say that I agree with you about how the bible now is only a copy of a long time ago, but I believe and that is the nature of faith.<br />
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Taphy, good points, not, we do not think like him we do not know how he thinks and most if not all humans sence of right and wrong has been warped.<br />
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One more thing I want to point out, no one has mentioned this of yet, but all humans know he is real and that we need to obey him. Look at Isreal, since the dawn of time (metaphorically) nearly everyone has been opsode to Isreal and yet no other country has had so much hatred turned to them, why you ask it is because the people who hate Isreal (the Holy Land, where the Lord Jesus was born, sacrifice, and rose again) is bcause they know in there hearts that it is true but they have to much pride to admit it, it is real. and why are Christians (and to an extent Jews(Jesus was Jewish)) usually the ones who doen't suvive, the outcasts, again people know in there hearts but they have to much pride<br />
And when people aroud you just dissapear out of there clothes, all babies including the unborn most young kids, some teen agers, don't come crawling to me for answers becasue I won't be hee, I will be with Jesus when he raptures hs church, and if you are left behind I feel pity for you, but I advise you to read Revelation and if you don't understand then read the Left Behind books.

Taphy, I like your second comment even better. Well said!<br />
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@Thorton - are you actually </I>reading</i> these posts? <br />
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~~What greater love , but to save his children from brimstone and fire.~~ <br />
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Yes, the FIRE HE CREATED! That's rather megalomaniacal, not to mention sadistic, don't you think? Can you imagine if a parent created a death-pit in the backyard, and convinced the kids of his love by NOT throwing them into the pit as long as they obeyed him? Can you imagine what you'd think of the kids if they told you "What greater love has my father, but that he saves his children from the pit of death!" Of course, you'd see them as the brainwashed victims of psychological abuse. Maybe the soul that needs searching is your own.

In order to avoid the torture of hell, humans must not have contradictory views or beliefs that differ from those that have been ascribed to us by your god. We must adopt "right thinking" if we are to avoid the torture of hell. <br />
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I would like to point out that oppressive societies have used torture, and the threat of torture, to suppress independant thought and convert people to "right thinking" To avoid torture, the individual must abandon their own views and beliefs and adopt those of the regime. <br />
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It is a fact that torture treats a human as a means to an end. It treats the victim as a "thing". In order for your god to allow the torture of literally billions of humans, he therefore, must not ascribe to us any dignity or value unless it justifies his own ends. Yet, you call this love.<br />
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The paradox here is that you believe that your god has given us a sense of "right and wrong", yet when he does things we, as mere humans, know to be morally wrong, we must acquiese and be obedient to him. <br />
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This is exactly how those who live under the tyranny of oppression survive.

It sounds like you have a lot of soul searching. If you seek God and really want answers he will reveal them to you. Some things God does not reveal to us because sometimes we just have to rely on him. God does not think like us. He does not work like us. He is a spirit that rules everything. it is our job to be obedient to him. He died for us. He suffered for us. What greater love , but to save his children from brimstone and fire. Ask and you shall receive , knock it shall be given to you that is in the book of Matthew. God bless in your walk with God.

Cricket1190 matthew, james, luck, and John. they were exspired buy God just like Paul. <br />
The old tesament are past rules and laws and phorfaces. The New testamomty is laws that was given after Jesus was crucfied.<br />
Jesus did have a choose at the end. It is written in the Bible, I think in Matthrew, Luke or John. Where he was praying.<br />
I know a little about the Bible, but I can't merize things in it.