Republican Governor Offers Prayers, Nothing Else

This 3 1/2 minute vid is pretty pretty clear. I think he's right that these guys are going to pay a price for their ideological stand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfjoj9d2yVU&feature=channel

VendettA12 VendettA12
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13 Responses Mar 4, 2009

We are not a Christian nation. The majority of Americans might have some level of belief in a Christian God, but as Americans we are free to worship or not worship any God we choose.<br />
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It isn't a big deal to me, really, but I don't think "In God we trust" should be on our money. I'm annoyed by politicians who believe that American's who reject the notion of a God are not "real" Americans (Bush Sr., for one.)<br />
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"One Nation, under God" was not added to the pledge of allegience until the 1950's. Tell me what the hell that has to do with the founding fathers of our country.<br />
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The "founding fathers" of our country were smart men. However, they were just men, and things have evolved quite a bit since.

c8lorraine- <br />
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Mormons were persecuted because of polygamy and perceived child abuse. Their different religious beliefs weren't what was fueling the hatred of Mormons. The Mormon church eventually came to forbid polygamy and stopped forcing marriages. None of that changes the fact that the ideals of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence were to give everyone the freedom of religion as long as it didn't harm others. <br />
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grits - <br />
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there was a belief in God, but it has about as much relation to your God as Allah does. Are you saying having a belief in some sort of sky being, no matter the flavor, is automatically preferable to non-belief? <br />
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As an atheist, I find a governor's offer of prayers to be beyond pathetic and completely inappropriate. It may give you or your friends comfort, but call me crazy... I'd rather that elected officials focus on real world solutions. <br />
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That caller was asking the governor to take federal money, to extend unemployment benefits that are keeping his family afloat. What if he were a Muslim or a Scientologist? Would it be appropriate for that elected official to offer prayers to a Christian god? Wouldn't that be offensive to that non-Christian? That's only one reason why it's inappropriate to insert religion into the public sphere. Like you said, faith is a personal thing, keep it out of the government sector.

In the early days there was religious persecution in the US ! The Mormons were openly chased like rabbits and shot in the back.

I never said the founders viewed their God the same as mine. The view of God one has is an individual matter and a personal one. I know they did not have my "religion" but there was a belief in God and his role in individual lives as well as the country.<br />
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To understand that role one has to go to each of the individual founders and learn about them and read their papers.<br />
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As a collective group God was a part of what came out in the end.

lol Nora. I don't restrict myself so, I am liberated. Words, pictures, videos, music... I use it all. You should try it sometime. You'd like my videos, you'd appreciate the passion of the Young Turks.

I was just telling you the difference between references to Lord or God in the founding documents and your God, God on money and your God. You brought up these examples. <br />
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I pointed out that they were deists because that means that any conception they had of god (and not all of them had conceptions of any god) does not resemble the being you worship. That has no bearing on your religion, other than pointing out the fact that you really shouldn't refer back to the founding fathers in order to back up your religious arguments.

Of course they wanted to set up a secular government with freedom of religion. That was the entire point of the exodus to the New World in the first place, escape from religious prosecution by the state. <br />
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Freedom of religion, and freedom from religion. <br />
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Amen.

Did the founders tell you this? What the deists have become is not the same as it was then. I didn't say anything about this being a Christian nation, I just said that God (however you want to define him) is a part of this country and was a part of the founders lives enough for them to note his existence in the forming of this country and how it should run.

It is often claimed (like above) that you can find reference to God in the Constitution, all you have to do is read it and see how often the fr<x>amers used the words "God," or "Creator," "Jesus," or "Lord." Except for one unrelated instance, none of these words ever appear in the Constitution anywhere, either in the original or in any of the Amendments. The exception is found in the Signatory section, where the date is written: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The use of the word "Lord" here was not a religious reference. This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts. This lack of any these words does not mean that the fr<x>amers were not spiritual people, any more than the use of the word Lord means that they were. What this lack of these words is indicative of is not a love for or disdain for religion, but rather the belief that the new government should not insert itself in matters of religion. The original Constitution also bars any religious test to hold any federal office in the United States.

That is not your god that they're talking about. Most of the founding fathers were deists, and some (like Jefferson) had extremely negative views of Christianity. The god they refer to is a god of nature and some unknowable creator, not Jesus' dad. <br />
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And "In God We Trust" didn't appear on money until the 20th century. <br />
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The establishment clause of the constitution makes it very clear that this is not a Christian nation.

I would need to see the entire conversation this guy was talking about. You and I both know that part of a sentance is takeing and then ran with while not telling the rest of the story. <br />
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I see nothing wrong with someone telling another they will pray for them. Offering prayer for someone and then doing it is a servants heart and we all need all the prayer we can get regardless of where it comes from.<br />
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you can state religion has nothing to do with government but it is a part of our governement and it was a part of our founders lives in some way. If it weren't there would be no mention of God in our founding documents or on our money. God is very much a part of our country's beginning.

Well if the governor opposes taking the money he should find a constructive way to help people through changing the spending programs or what not. Offering prayers is a pretty pathetic thing for a government official to do. Religion should really have nothing to do with government.

I for one support any governor who doesn't take some of this money. There are stirngs attached to this money and many of these states have to look to the future of the people of the state. Just because the money is needed now doesn't mean it is a smart thing to do to take it.<br />
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I need 10,000. I can get it from the guy in the black suite downtown in the alley to help me now. But it isn't a good idea when what has to be given back will be 25,000.<br />
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Taking some of this money will require the state to continue with programs well past the money being there. If the states can not pay for these things now they will not be able to pay for them 3 years from now. Why would a governor put his state in further debt for programs they can not support? <br />
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It's too bad more of the Governors are not looking to take care of their state tomorrow instead of just today.