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I Was Baptized Naked

I am a nudist and I was the first member of my Congregation to request the full Baptism ritual, which includes being Baptized naked. I feel that nudism & sex and everything else which is good about life should be discussed or even practiced & promoted at Church. But many people think that is somehow wrong (or that I am "bad") so you should probably stop reading now if you are already feeling offended or upset. (Or you can ask me privately for more stories about how I've been "naughty" at Church.)

I'd had Infant Baptism (which is considered symbolic and doesn't really count as Chrismation according to most Churches) before I was one year old but now I was sixteen and getting a Sacramental Baptism after graduation from Confirmation Classes.

Like everything else in my life, I did extra research into Baptism on my own. And it paid off! This is what I learned:

The Methodist Church believes in the full Trinity affirmation rite for complete submersion Baptism (quoted below), but that rite requires that the person being Baptized be completely naked (as called for in Colossians 3:9-11 / Ephesians 4:22-24 / Song of Solomon 5:3)!

As soon, then, as you entered, you put off your tunic; and this was an image of putting off the old man with his deeds. Having ******** yourselves, you were naked; in this also imitating Christ, who was ******** naked on the Cross, and by His nakedness put off from Himself the principalities and powers, and openly triumphed over them on the tree. For since the adverse powers made their lair in your members, you may no longer wear that old garment; I do not at all mean this visible one, but the old man, which waxes corrupt in the lusts of deceit. May the soul which has once put him off, never again put him on, but say with the Spouse of Christ in the Song of Songs, I have put off my garment, how shall I put it on? O wondrous thing! You were naked in the sight of all, and were not ashamed; for truly ye bore the likeness of the first-formed Adam, who was naked in the garden, and was not ashamed.

Then, when you were ********, you were anointed with exorcised oil, from the very hairs of your head to your feet, and were made partakers of the good olive-tree, Jesus Christ.

After these things, you were led to the holy pool of Divine Baptism, as Christ was carried from the Cross to the Sepulchre which is before our eyes. And each of you was asked, whether he believed in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and you made that saving confession, and descended three times into the water, and ascended again; here also hinting by a symbol at the three days burial of Christ.… And at the self-same moment you were both dying and being born; -- "On the Mysteries of Baptism" by Cyril of Jerusalem, 350 A.D.

But these days most Methodist Churches use the short form (the last paragraph only). Including my Church (we're "Old Methodist") until I raised the issue. My Congregation usually performed Aspersion (sprinkling of water on the head) or Affusion (pouring of water over the head & upper body) while the person was wearing a water-proof cloak over their clothes. Immersion or Submersion could be arranged if you wanted it but they had to be done somewhere else.

Then I discovered all of the above and realized that I was supposed to be naked while being Baptized! So I made an appointment to discuss it with the Minister and find out why I couldn't have the full rite, and why I couldn't receive it naked.

I expected him to be shocked and for it to be a long talk so I was really surprised when it was short & sweet. He told me that according to doctrine it was my choice and I could have both if I wanted! Now I was kind of on the spot for bringing it up! So I told him I wanted to receive the full rite including the part about "putting off your tunic". And the Minister agreed! In fact he thought that it was an excellent idea and would get everyone talking about Baptism again.

We planned it as a surprise. We didn't tell anyone else what I was going to do, not even my Daddy!

On the morning I was to be Confirmed the Minister did a special sermon on the meaning of naked Baptism which should have been a major tip off but no one realized what was about to happen. My name was even in the program for God's sake! I don't think anyone suspected even when the Minister moved a shoulder-high partition in front of the Baptismal Font!

But the game was finally up when I came out naked!

I was wearing the usual cloak which didn't let anyone see anything good, but hey, it was thin and made it quite obvious that I was naked underneath it! And I was standing in front of the entire Congregation! Then I stepped behind the partition, pulled the cloak up & off over my head, and handed it to him (the Minister was the only one who could see me from the neck down).

He read the entire ritual, and then he poured Holy Water over my head and over my body as well. It wasn't full immersion but that's the best he could do there. I had been well & properly Baptized and now by affirmation & acceptance of God's Grace I was a full, Confirmed member of the Church! And when I pulled the cloak back on over my wet body it clung to me like a second skin! Tee hee!

A lot of people were shocked & upset and everyone talked about what I'd done for about a month of Sundays. But the Minister stood by me and so did my Daddy! After that a few other people asked to be naked for their own Baptism, but I was the first!

I had been worried about Daddy's reaction but the Minister had said that this was my decision, so I was prepared to stand my ground. It turned out that he was happy for me! I guess even then he knew that I would grow up to be a public advocate for social nudism.

I didn't even know that myself until over a year later, the week-end after I graduated from High School when my Teen Sex & Adventure Club had its big beginning-of-summer party. And I was naked for the whole event! But that is another story. I also have more stories about my Church or nudist experiences if anyone is interested.

NewChrissy NewChrissy 26-30, F 59 Responses Dec 4, 2009

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good for you -

That is a beautiful story. I honestly didn't know naked was the way to go according to the Bible, but it's a very good argument in the discussion about any kind of nudism.

nice story i wish we could be rebaptized naked together

I oftened wondered about this too. Thanks for explaining this issue.

Wow, what a great experience, Chrissy. Thanks so much for sharing it. I think it was a brave thing you did. I have long been interested in nudity in the Bible and in religion.. I think most people close their eyes to what is plainly there.

I'm a 62 year old grumpy fart. Been a rather fundamentalist Baptist for most, but with a tremendous level of guilt, due to trying to grow hair on my palm for most of those years.

But like you, I've done some studying, and am mellowing in my old age; I've begun to think, e.g., that the dreaded "M" word should not be so dreaded. All that happens is, we "go forward" at the end of the service, promise all that we are going to be good little Christians. Then we go home, and for adolescent boys at least, within a day or two, get especially horny; maybe we will have a wet dream--but more likely, we will commit the "SIN OF ONAN!!!!" Which is not, BTW, what what Onan did, as you well know, I'm certain.

So, after all that, we are now guilty, and that vow we made? Well, we know it is worse to make a vow and not keep it, so we are now guilty of double jeopardy! And we try harder, and fall flatter on our face, and try even harder, and lather, rinse, repeat.

And so finally, we just give up and quit the faith. If God can't keep our horniness under control, He can't love me. Why try to serve such an angry, hateful God? And before it is all over, we grow to hate a God who would have such a sick sense of humor, to command us to not have such primal, basic, *created-in-us* needs.

I propose that many, if not most, Christians have suffered this kind of guilt--at least in the west.

So, I am violating one of the major tenets of Southern Baptist dogma, and telling people I don't care, there is nothing wrong with relieving their internal sexual pressure by ************. My soapbox. My story, an' I'm a stickin' to it.

Now that is what i call standing up for a cause in a true way and also enjoying it! adored your baptism!

I'll bet the church attendance went up $$

Well done

I think I will convert. Good for you.

Do what you believe in. :-)

I would've done the same thing, but my Christian Pastor probably wouldn't like it very much. I got baptized 2 years ago in a lake in the state of Maine U.S.A..

Are you kidding? I'm totally interested and excited about it! I like your hearing about your experience, love nudism and, believe it or not, share some of your church background! In some kind of way, nudism, especially when others are watching, is one of the most exciting experiences of my life. I don't know why but it just inflames me. The most exciting experience that I ever had, nudity and public sex, was at a nudist resort. If you're interested, let me know and I'll tell you about it.

Great story. My church doesn't baptise people a second time, nor did the one my parents belonged to when I was 14, so this was never anything that ever occurred to me. Needless to say, I am very jealous. You are to be commended for your action.

Chrissy it sounds like you really love your birthday suit which is definitely bold. I'm not sure how to say this without completely offending you, but baptism (clothed or not) does not equal salvation, but is only symbolic of the changes that have taken place in the heart of a sinner that has repented of their sins and given their life to Christ and turned away from sin. Being baptized but yet remaining engaged in sin saves a person from what?

Loving one\'s \"birthday suit\" is really a wonderful concept. Why shouldn\'t she love it. God created it and anything he creates is beautiful. The baptizim is just as valid and whether or not she repents of her sins, is a matter that\'s strictly between her and God. \"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone\" - Jesus Christ

I do love my birthday suit! (Everyone loves my birthday suit!! Tee hee.)

There\'s nothing wrong with being comfortable in your own skin and I know many women wish they liked their birthday suits as much, but we all need to be careful with what we do with our skin and sexual sin seems to be the Achilles heal for many so I just wanted to remind all of us of the dangers. To nozzleman, judging a person is wrong as given by your example, but judging between righteousness and immortality must be done. So to Chrissy, enjoy your sexuality as much as you can but please be reminded that it\'s very important to stay within the confines of God\'s laws and commandments. God is a serious God which we\'ll all find out one day so let\'s not blow it by being too casual with our liberties.

Thank you for being concerned. I try to distinguish my moral feelings & thoughts about nudity from my sexual desires & urges. I know those are two different things but throw in other people\'s reactions/responses when I\'m naked and it sometimes gets confusing!

That\'s why it\'s sometimes best to dress like your grandmother did - full-length dresses and blouses completely closed to the top. It might not be sexy but it keeps the guys at bay and you out of trouble. Chrissy I don\'t know you from the hole in the ground, but I want to see you in Heaven one day so please please take this seriously and behave! :)

Yes and you don't in the slightest want to spank Chrissy for being a naughty girl, do you?

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I applaud you for doing the nude Baptism and for the story.

This is truly inspirational. I too always felt the nudism and Christianity go hand in hand. Good for standing up for your beliefs.

I was standing up for my beliefs, wasn\'t I! But I was also being mischievous. (I do that sometimes. Spank me.)

This is one of the most inspiring stories I have read in a long time. Yet again you have impressed me beyond words. Well done my dear, I am proud of you

Beyond words only leaves actions to show me how you feel. (Try to use your words first, Dear.)

Your lack of fear in showing your religious freedom is what this world needs more of. Not standing for the status quo and researching into the topic to find the TRUTH. Too many people are willing to toe the line and believe what they have been told is gospel.
God made us this way, yet some in the church want us to act in a way that they see as \"moral\" which yet in reality has no basis in fact.
I read way to much, I don\'t believe in one organized religion, yet I believe.
I think that is what\'s important. If we want to be free and naked as god made us, I think we should, and you did just that.
For this I applaud you.

And for the record, if I was closer. I would show you in actions... Oh yes!!!

I am, can you inbox them please?

NewChrissy, I think your story is beautiful. It moved me greatly and made me think about what's really important in life. I think you're very corageous for doing what you thought was right in spite of what any one else thought. That's how I've kind of lived my whole life. Thank you so much for sharing it!
Allan :-)

I guess it takes courage to do what you think is wrong too. Some people think I was incorrect, or selfish, or something. I just know I was naked! (And everyone else knew it too!! Tee hee.)

I'm surprised they went through with it. But you did the research and found something that is more inline with who you are. Way to go!!

Purrrrrrr! Purr, purr, purr!

Great story...I bet you woke up some folks thaqt Sunday! :)

And right here on EP as well, apparently.

I\'d have to agree...a lot of folks are enjoying this story!

Great story - and glad you made the decision for baptism (beyond the infant baptism).

I\'m glad too, and I\'m glad I posted about it. I didn\'t learn about the subtleties of Baptism versus re-Baptism until they were pointed out to me here by other commenters.

That whole discussion was boringly pedantic. I have no difficulties with adult rebaptism, simply because of its symbolic and commitment value.

How do you feel about re-virginification?

Good story. I'm not Christian so a Christian baptism would not be appropriate for me. However, I was married naked.

My Mommy & Daddy were married naked. Her parents did NOT approve! I want a nude ceremony when I get married.

It is my understanding that on the Pacific coast, there are very liberal ministers who will marry a naked couple.

Did not know that your parents were also sex radicals. The best man and the matron of honour should be naked as well. Any more people than that, and a naked wedding become awkward.

I have friends (Emmanuel & Stephanie) who are identical twin submissives. They married identical twin masters in TWO double ceremonies (each woman marrying first one man then the other). Then the women were ordered to ***** for the after-party (& honeymoon, & everything after that). The wedding itself had no nudity but the vows were very unusual (I helped write them!) and many people on the Brides\' side (perhaps on the Grooms\' side too) were scandalized. (There is more to that story, of course.)

It is unusual and I don\'t know how they are getting away with it! (The legal aspects are just one kind of problem they face.) Friends may ask me about this (or anything else) privately after we know each other better.

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"Teen Sex & Adventure Club"?
Would love to know more about that.

When I got to College I was surprised to discover that most neighborhoods don\'t have anything like a TS&AC. Until then I had no idea that my experiences growing up having/learning about sex and playing lots of naughty games with other children were so rare.

I sent you a message. I\'d really like to hear more about this club.

Allright! I suppose this is all serious stuff so I'll respond in kind. First of all the minister that allowed it is a pervert. Second, scripture is interpreted by other scripture and the common meaning behind any word!
uh, Crissy, you are young, naive and if you were 55 years old, we would not be discussing this because there is nothing more exciting than a young girl getting nude in the water!! There is nothing forbidding anyone from nude baptism, yet I would encourage the men to not be present for a womans baptism and visa versa!

I would love to hear more of ur "naughty" church stories ;)

New Chrissy, you are a 21st century sex radical. Big deal.
You also know some university mathematics. Quite curious.
You are warm to the Church. Now here we are talking one of the most unusual people in all of EP!

I cannot believe that there is a single minister in all of KS who was willing to baptize you naked, esp. after puberty.

I agree that the Gospels do not take a firm prudish position. But the Letters of Paul do. But Paul is far kinder that Leviticus and Deuteronomy.
The Song of Songs casts prudishness out the window.

The only naked baptism I know of is the Greek Orthodox ritual, whereby the naked baby is very quickly immersed. I've witnessed this.

Adam and Eve were naked of course, at least until they bit into the Fruit.
It is very likely that Christ was crucified naked. And shedding the old garments of sin, being transitionally naked, and then putting on the clean garment of faith and love, has evident symbolic value. But until 50 years ago, all clergymen were male, and we cannot have male clergy gazing upon teen nakedness, can we? I would support an all woman annual baptism ceremony with nakedness, as an option for devout Christians.
The men would have their own ceremony.

I am surprised that your wish for a fully naked and public baptism was granted.

"I didn't even know that myself until over a year later, the week-end after I graduated from High School when my Teen Sex & Adventure Club had its big beginning-of-summer party. And I was naked for the whole event!"
Am surprised at your gutsiness.

But I believe that ours is a time of women feeling the sap rise in their veins. Women are growing tired of prudishness, body shame, and body shaming. The slogan for our era may be "I have no problem with my body, only with people who have a problem with my body."

The bikini is a teenage male smirk cut from textile. There is a sense in which fully naked is more honest. Why should a woman be embarrassed by her breasts? They will feed her babies. Isn't that glorious? The slit between her legs is where her children will begin their life journeys. Isn't that glorious as well? Women tend to be heavy in the butt and thighs. But this solidity grounds her strength, and makes pregnancy easier. This is where she stores the fat that enabled her ancestors to survive famines. The problem is not female nudity but male immaturity.

Do be careful about the men you let see you naked. But otherwise don't be afraid. After all, women are in the majority, and your bodies do not betray your erotic feelings. Just because nakedness can be awkward for men is no reason for you to feel awkward.

Thank you consa. But my body DOES betray my arousal and erotic feelings! Tee hee!!

I am a baby boomer from the lower midwest. I am from your world, but of your parents' generation. In my place and time, it was common for people to blush, even adults. I don't much see it anymore, and even the word is less and less used.

Do you blush when naked? I am told that some women blush in the chest as well as in the face.

Do your nipples get hard? That is not highly embarrassing, and is usually more an indication of cool temperature than of arousal.

Worldly men in my long ago college days used to say that a woman can be horny yet deny it. Men do not have that strategic advantage. Am I to conclude that you are an exception? At any rate, if you've kept your pubic hair, I don't see how your Special Place can betray your feelings.

I blush often, and sometimes color deeply or show it all the way down my chest (almost) to my nipples! I was born & raised as a nudist in a family of nudists but I still get embarrassed easily, especially from friends' or strangers' reactions to my nudity. (My friends & lovers like to see me blush whenever they embarrass me in public!)

My ***** is pretty much always moist (or sometimes dripping) and when I'm aroused it gets quite wet or even gushes! I'm a blonde with a sparse **** even when I don't shave/trim my pubic hair. I have large labia and a (frequently) protruding clitty so everything shows when I'm turned-on! (And everything turns me on!!) Plus it tingles and makes me shift around like I've got ants in my pants!

So yeah, I can't deny it when I'm horny & naked. When I'm not naked, people tell me my eyes and mischievous/needy facial expressions still give me away.

So this Christian nudity is a family thing, eh?...

You are unusually honest and explicit, and I thank you for that. I completely understand how you are an exception to the general rule that women can think lustfully without being betrayed by their bodies. Explicit images on Tumblr have made me more aware the some women are well endowed in the clitoral dept. and are capable of blatant erections. There are phallic women, and they are emerging from the closet as part of the ongoing disintegration of female body shame and the rise of female strength.

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Sincerity requires no judgement.

Thanks for sharing. That woke up people I wish I could be baptized this way :)

That would be the most awesome experience ever. I'm not baptized but that would be so fun

We all should be required to ***** naked in full view of the congregation. Then be baptized and remain naked for the entire service. If they have a reception after wards remain naked for that.

My dear, the baptism ritual is ALWAYS performed on a infant child NUDE. I am catholic and my baptism picture shows the priest holding my naked body over the pan as the holy water is poured over me. By definition that is what a baptism is.

The Apostolic Tradition of Saint Hippolytus of Rome - chapter 21:1-5 (The first recorded liturgy of Baptism):<br />
1 At the hour in which the **** crows, they shall first pray over the water.<br />
2 When they come to the water, the water shall be pure and flowing, that is, the water of a spring or a flowing body of water.<br />
3 Then they shall take off all their clothes.<br />
4 The children shall be baptized first. All of the children who can answer for themselves, let them answer. If there are any children who cannot answer for themselves, let their parents answer for them, or someone else from their family.<br />
5 After this, the men will be baptized. Finally, the women, after they have unbound their hair, and removed their jewelry. No one shall take any foreign ob<x>ject with themselves down into the water.

In addition to everything else about her, New Chrissy knows the patristics literature as well. You ARE a curious one indeed...

this is not cannonized nor recognized scripture or, not part of the Bible. Perhaps these are rules made in the past for an ancient church, but apastolic and historically supported scripture does not encourage or practice nude baptism. Also, Baptism is a one time event after commiting your life to Christ as a public show of your sins being washed away. I could site the Bible here but I predict a sermon here would not be taken seriously.

@olafthestupid: Feel free to post a sermon if you want. I read everything seriously. (Really, I do.)

@Dreammmer: Unless you think there is some chance that my Baptism wasn't valid because of what I was or wasn't wearing (or what someone reading the story will or won't wear for their Baptism) then I am fine with my faith in it.<br />
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Of course you are entitled to your opinion but I think you can relax, whatever it was or wasn't happened over a decade ago and I am confident that it "took", which is what really matters, right? There was no abuse of anything holy intended then or now. And no one seems much concerned at the moment other than yourself -- I think Shannon is simply trying to get my attention in her own way. (Hi Shannon!)

I also found this quote on Wikipedia:<br />
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<i>In a conditional baptism, the minister of the sacrament says If you are not yet baptized, I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.</i><br />
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I do not recall if my Baptism included the extra words "<i>If you are not yet baptized,</i>" or not. But if so that answers the commenters who ob<x>jected to my being "rebaptized".

@shannonymous: You have taken that rather odd sentence out of context, instead it supports being baptized nude. I Googled for it and the only place it turned up online is here: <i></i>. It is part of a larger paragraph which says:<br />
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<i>"As soon, then, as you entered, you put off your tunic; and this was an image of putting off the old man with his deeds.[Col 3:9] Having ******** yourselves, you were naked; in this also imitating Christ, who was ******** naked on the Cross, and by His nakedness put off from Himself the principalities and powers, and openly triumphed over them on the tree. For since the adverse powers made their lair in your members, you may no longer wear that old garment; I do not at all mean this visible one, but the old man, which waxes corrupt in the lusts of deceit.[Eph 4:22] May the soul which has once put him off, never again put him on, but say with the Spouse of Christ in the Song of Songs, I have put off my garment, how shall I put it on?[Song of Sol 5:3] O wondrous thing! You were naked in the sight of all, and were not ashamed; for truly ye bore the likeness of the first-formed Adam, who was naked in the garden, and was not ashamed."</i><br />
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If you visit that page, that paragraph is introduced by:<br />
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<i>"Until the Middle Ages, most baptisms were performed with the candidates naked—as is evidenced by most of the early portrayals of baptism (some of which are shown in this article), and the early Church Fathers and other Christian writers."</i><br />
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And summed up as follows:<br />
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<i>The removal of clothing represented the "image of putting off the old man with his deeds" (as per Cyril, above), so the stripping of the body before for baptism represented taking off the trappings of sinful self, so that the "new man," which is given by Jesus, can be put on.<br />
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3. As St. Cyril again asserts above, as Adam and Eve in sc<x>ripture and tradition were naked, innocent and unashamed in the Garden of Eden, nakedness during baptism was seen as a renewal of that innocence and state of original sinlessness. Other parallels can also be drawn, such as between the exposed condition of Christ during His crucifixion, and the crucifixion of the "old man" of the repentant sinner in preparation for baptism.</i>

that 'rather odd sentence' is directly from your story. And i too searched google for it and came up with 3,070,000 results...the one paragraph which you said you could find it is the same paragraph from which i copied it from your story above! Kinda strange you didnt recognize it. Furthermore, thanks for bringing the history of it to my attention...i did a little research on it...seems to have come from pagan practices from the time and also performed in conjunction with rubbing the body with oil. The bible today (no matter how much pagan belief it has been derived from) advocates modesty to the extreme...but then again, there are several contradictions in it, who really knows?

What you quote is extraordinary. For what it's worth, there is nothing theologically wrong with being rebaptized as a young adult. I have no moral difficulties with naked baptism, as long as everybody present is of the same gender, except the parents. But celebrating the naked body as much as New Chrissy does is more pagan than Christian. Around 1900, paganism began making a comeback, one that is very much ongoing.

St Cyril: more patristics.

i think you seriously missed the meaning of that if you think it is about being baptized even says flat out "you may no longer wear that old garment; I do not at all mean this visible one, but the old man, which waxes corrupt in the lusts of deceit."

I need to start going back to church. At the same time, I'm very impressed that not only did you do your homework, you stood up for what you believed in. You have my respect.

I was babtized in the lake shorts and T shirt then latter we were playing water volley ball males topless witch seamed strange that we had to where a T shirt for the babtizem. I did like skinny dipping at home most the time alone one time with my nefues. Though later in life I did try a nude resort and found nothing wrong with seeing others nude or them seeing me. Througe this and the church being apose to this I have found the bible isn't. Though the church continues to clam this isn't biblical I know it is. I also would be open to a nude babtizim but I am babtized now any way. So good for you and doing your babtizim right.

@Dreammmer: You are saying that God "never shames people or disgraces them". Surely that cannot be true! There have been times when this naked sinner needed disgracing & shaming! I know that being scolded when I did something bad helped me become a better person. And getting a good spanking from time to time saved my life.<br />
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I bet God can give me a really great scolding & spanking when he wants to. One I will never forget. Even better than the ones I got from Daddy while I was growing up! (Just thinking about it makes me want to be <i>bad</i>. I guess someone should spank me for that too.)

@Dreammmer: Where does the idea of "Go naked before God" (and similar admonishments) come from then? And "rending your garments"? I've heard that my entire life.

Boys! All of your fighting over whether I should wear clothes or not and both of you pulling & tugging on them at the same time has caused them to get ripped!! Now it doesn't matter if I'm supposed to be clothed or allowed to go naked!!! I don't have anything left to wear!!!!<br />
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I'm not married so maybe that's what you wanted! I hope you are both happy now -- you could have just asked me nicely. You didn't have to rend my garments from my body. How will I get home in just my jewelry & high heels?????

@Dreammmer: I don't see what all that has to do with Baptism or nudity. Instead you are responding to something being said on the <i></i> website.<br />
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You seem to be claiming that the Bible says ****** is prohibited and so is cohabitation or sexual intercourse by someone who is married unless it is with their spouse.<br />
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But it's OK for unmarried men & women to cohabit or have sexual intercourse or even "love-fest" orgies all they want with anyone they want as long as it'sn't ****** or with someone who is married. Is that what you say the Bible says???

I recommend the following website for Bible commentary & study:<br />
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The verse I specified in that link is often given as a prohibition against family nudity but as you can see, that is a mistranslation. The passage isn't talking about nudity between close relatives, it is talking about sexual intercourse between close relatives.<br />
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By the way, if you read the other Leviticus 18 & 20 passages, the specific ****** (intercourse or marriage) prohibitions are "(1) with a mother, (2) with a step-mother, (3) with a sister or half-sister, (4) with a granddaughter, the daughter of either son or daughter, (5) with the daughter of a step-mother, (6) with an aunt, the sister of either father or mother, (7) with the wife of an uncle on the father's side, (8) with a daughter-in-law, (9) with a sister-in-law, or brother's wife, (10) with a woman and her daughter, or a woman and her granddaughter, and (11) with two sisters at the same time". And presumably with a daughter.

I do not feel at all bound by the many prohibitions in the Pentateuch, simply because I am not a Jew by belief or by descent. It is important to note here that Judaism has a short list of commandments that apply to all of humanity:

The remaining question is: what constitutes sexual immorality?

Curiously, fornication does not appear here. This is consistent with what I observed in the 1970s. Jewish students seldom guilt tripped over premarital sex, as long as it was safe and fully consensual. Paul fulminated against fornication (I do not know the koine word we translate by \"fornication\").

The Bible had a horror of adultery, and we Christians have very much taken that on board. But much of that horror was grounded in the notion that to have sex with a married woman violated her husband\'s right of property in her, a way of thinking about marriage we all find degrading and abhorent.

I have also noticed that our practical moral culture has come to accept, mostly silently, premarital sex with condoms, starting at the age of legal consent.

What I am about to relate I know purely by reading, not by personal experience. I have read that before 1970 or so, it was not unusual in the UK and USA to find a Protestant clergyman or 2 in a naturist club, adding that this is no longer the case (probably because being found out is now career ending). A fashionable thing in the 1960s and 70s was for adults with troubled lives to go on weekend retreats, during which the participants would let down their hair with each other. Often a professional clinical psychologist would lead the discussions. One name for this sort of activity was \"encounter group\". One tactic employed in that more innocent era was for participants to spend some time sitting in a circle on the floor, naked. I read about one such group including a Catholic priest, who gently remarked, with a smile, that his penis betrayed its underuse.

I have learned to be cautious when discussing the \"female is property\" &amp; \"bride\'s price\" (or other dowry/inheritance/redemption) practices in \"Biblical\" societies. Before a woman becomes the property of her husband she is/was considered the property of her father.

Also, a father having sex with his unmarried daughter is not included in the list of ****** taboos in the Bible (nor is sex forbidden between a mother &amp; daughter, or between two females in general). Pointing out that such activities are not prohibited in the Bible and were actually commonly accepted offends/outrages some people.

I\'ve encountered people who said they were priests (or other church officials) at naturist camps/events/retreats. It\'s neither surprising nor particularly rare. Nudists are a representative slice of people from all professions, they just tend to be happier &amp; healthier &amp; less judgmental.

Getting back to nudity &amp; religion: My Jewish friends say that they are expected/required to always be nude during sex, and typically lie naked with their husband in the marriage bed. Can anyone confirm/deny this or provide a scriptural reference?

@tossalterego: Thank you, I will tell my Bible study group about that site and print out some of it.

You belong to a Bible study group. Hmmm....

Is that unusual? I\'ve studied all sorts of things at one time or another (don\'t get me started on Lilith!). I\'m interested in pretty much everything. (I do like some Bible commentaries/translations better than others.)

@Dreammmer: My Bible doesn't say what you said, the words are different. I didn't quote them in my story because they don't give details. Instead I quoted another passage I found explaining the entire rite. It would be appropriate for you to counter by quoting an alternate detailed desc<x>ription describing the traditional (not modern) Baptism rite. I think you will find it difficult to locate one that does not call for removing garments.<br />
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Also, I think it is unfair to relabel the discussion as "rebaptism" and then argue against that. It wasn't about being Baptized <i>again</i>. It was simply about choosing to request Baptism (instead of it being chosen for me) and my request being granted. No one made a big deal about it being my second Baptism (after infant Baptism) at the time, I don't see why you are doing so now.<br />
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I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree regarding modern Baptism clothing options. I experienced nude Baptism, and then so did several others in my Church. I don't know how common it is in other Churches. That is part of why I published my story: To find out if others have experienced it or seen it done, and to let people know that they can request it.<br />
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Yes, I have been "naughty" in Church. It has been argued that God has a sense of fun & humor. By similar arguments I believe that God loves sex. He created us with sex being not only required for reproduction but quite enjoyable. And often even better if you're a bit adventurous & innovative about how you do it!<br />
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I have had sexual experiences elsewhere in the world God created, why should having sex in Church be any different? But I am aware that that shocks some people. Hence the warning at the end of the story. Don't ask if you will be offended.

@Dreammmer: The list of denominations in the article on Wikipedia is incomplete. They left out mine and perhaps several others. Wikipedia is useful but not authoritative. Google is also useful but only indexes things people have put online. My main reference for naked Baptism is the Bible itself.<br />
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The <i>Article XVII - Of Baptism</i> you sent a link to only says that young children are Baptized, it says nothing about "rebaptism" as you called it or the Baptism of adults. It is a fact that adults are Baptized. For that matter, babies are sometimes immersed nude.<br />
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As for being separated, I was the only person Baptized that Sunday so being "segregated by sex" didn't come up.<br />
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This story is not "intended to arouse sexual feelings". It obviously isn't written that way. Many people who attended that service were upset and many were amused but if any were aroused they hid it very well. It was about controversy & religion & tradition, not sex. My only concession to anything sexual is using the word 'naked' in places where I might have said 'nude'. That was merely me being a bit more dramatic. Does that word arouse or offend you?

@Dreammmer: You are wrong on all six points:<br />
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1. Many churches Baptize people naked. And many more are willing to if someone requests it, as I did.<br />
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2. I visited the link but did not find any statement there supporting your claim. In fact the Methodist Church does Baptize people that have been Baptized as infants. It is done routinely as part of Confirmation, and before births & marriages and on numerous other occasions, including on request by the person being Baptized.<br />
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3. False. Thin garments or no garments at all are permitted. I wore a thin garment before & after the ceremony, none during.<br />
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4. Google returns 126,000 hits for "Old Methodist" in double-quotes. I am a member of an "Old Methodist" Congregation. The statements of doctrine also say "Old Methodist". I presume that makes it a "denomination", not that it really matters. In any case, regardless of what you call it, you can look up the Bible passages I quoted and read them for yourself.<br />
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5. You are using weasel wording. All of the forms of Baptism you or I mentioned are "believed in" & practiced.<br />
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6. Wrong. A great many women have been Baptized naked by ministers, both historically and recently. I am one of them.<br />
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I don't know what your agenda is. Perhaps you are a prude or a sinvert. Please go bother someone else. Post another factual error and your comments will be deleted.

Baptize THIS.......LOL

Fear grips the mind of most, to never accept the veil torn by the Host. As rightous as your request was then, I'm proud to have you as my friend. I live today by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and meeting you confirms His love for me by allowing me to have you in my life.

i was bapitzed twice

Gosh, thats an interesting rewrite of a bible passage.<br />
First of all, my opinion on nudity is an open one. I like to be nude as much as anyone, but its when others are present that it gets complicated.<br />
I think that your minister is a pervert who would love to see any young female nude and justify it. The presence of sinful men can ruin your practice of nudity. Most guys would love it to see a willing young girl ***** off her clothing, me included! <br />
I suggest a husband who shares your nudist style. then buy a big pice of land where you can be nude often.<br />
actual passage of Colossians 3:9-11: Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.<br />
Ephesians 4:22-24 (New International Version)<br />
You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.<br />
So, the passage is talking about sin as clothing and new clothing that is pure and new and justified by Christ.<br />
Don't mistaken me here; open nudity is not wrong, its what is going on in other people's minds that causes the sin, thats why most people cover up. After the fall of man (Adam/Eve) God asked them: "who told you that you are naked? (Genesis 3:11) Adam and eve did not know they were naked until their minds were made impure by sin.<br />
The excitedness of nudity is a travel down purity lane, one that will not exist until Christ comes again. In the meantime, we must be careful where we are nude, perverts are everywhere.

kudos to the minister who had the guts to support you!

yes oviosly I am in the wrong church. I would love to here more about you church and your times there

i'm definitely in the wrong church !<br />
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this nudist thing is in the DNA. I was only 10 when I ******** out of my swimsuit in a hotel pool because I thought it 'felt nice'. There were only a few people down at the shallow end when I put my shorts on the deck. I swam back and forth a few times, not thinking this was wrong. Then a woman walked up to the pool and screamed about the naked boy. I quickly left. I think it messed me up for a while because I thought it was wrong, my church thought it was wrong. Ah but it felt so right and I make up for it any chance I get.

I was baptised as an infant, and had a christening gown, so I would have not know about it anyway. You come into this world naked, and I do not see anything wrong with being baptised naked.

If the realigion is to be followed it must be properly.<br />
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Nudism is I think your riligion.And you need not give any excuses to support it.You are a true nudist i think.

I didn't do it just to cause trouble, honest! Or merely because it was exciting. It was more about making a statement. It seemed like the right thing for a nudist to do. What do you think?

In 1954, Chicago alderman Paddy Bauer told a journalist that \"Chicago ain\'t ready for reform.\" Likewise, the Christian church, regardless of what scripture says, ain\'t ready for naked rituals.
The British Wiccan paganism of 50-80 years ago did some rituals with optional nudity. The polite term for this was \"sky-clad\". I have no idea if nudity plays any role in contemporary paganism. I suspect not, because paganism surely welcomes children, and adults being naked around children could lead to prosecutions.