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A lot has been said about how to prevent rape. Women should learn self-defense. Women should lock themselves in their houses after dark. Women shouldn't have long hair and women shouldn't wear short skirts. Women shouldn't leave drinks unattended. ****, they shouldn't dare to get drunk at all. instead of that bullshit, how about: if a woman is drunk, don't rape her. if a woman is walking alone at night, don't rape her. if a women is drugged and unconscious, don't rape her. if a woman is wearing a short skirt, don't rape her. if a woman is jogging in a park at 5 am, don't rape her. if a woman looks like your ex-girlfriend you're still hung up on, don't rape her. if a woman is asleep in her bed, don't rape her. if a woman is asleep in your bed, don't rape her. if a woman is doing her laundry, don't rape her. if a woman is in a coma, don't rape her. if a woman changes her mind in the middle of or about a particular activity, don't rape her. if a woman has repeatedly refused a certain activity, don't rape her. if a woman is not yet a woman, but a child, don't rape her. if your girlfriend or wife is not in the mood, don't rape her. if your step-daughter is watching tv, don't rape her. if you break into a house and find a woman there, don't rape her. if your friend thinks it's okay to rape someone, tell him it's not, and that he's not your friend. if your "friend" tells you he raped someone, report him to the police. if your frat-brother or another guy at the party tells you there's an unconscious woman upstairs and it's your turn, don't rape her, call the police and tell the guy he's a rapist. tell your sons, god-sons, nephews, grandsons, sons of friends it's not okay to rape someone. don't tell your women friends how to be safe and avoid rape. don't imply that she could have avoided it if she'd only done/not done x. don't imply that it's in any way her fault. don't let silence imply agreement when someone tells you he "got some" with the drunk girl. don't perpetuate a culture that tells you that you have no control over or responsibility for your actions.
CallipygianVenus CallipygianVenus 18-21, F 177 Responses Feb 11, 2008

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Ambi (dante) you should prove your accusations. All we have is your word that this happened.
I have not collected picture of anyone's family or children. Show us the screenshot where I state otherwise.

Nobody wants to join in your game anymore.

thank you Mike!

Jack *** loves baiting Ambi!!

tries to out wit her.
tries to out smart her .

his game has been exposed!

but he the keeps coming back for more !

showing us what a stupid red neck, back woods inbreed hater he is

In Tennessee...

Their main occupation is shoplifting.
Their main hobby/pastime is banging their cousin
Their idea of equal rights is allow their ma to stand out on the street corner looking for business.
Their biggest political movement if the KKK
Their main contribution to the US is slavery.

And they don't even speak English, they speak ignorance.

I liked northern California. Beautiful.

In all my travels I can say that there is one constant no matter where you go. That is that there are good and bad people everywhere.
Now do you care to prove your accusations against me.

jack *** go take that gun you said you got locked and load, GO **** UR SELF WITH IT !!! then after your done

go shot ur ******* head off ! you ******* ********* who stole pictures of children from my profile to blackmail their parents with !!!!

you are the most vile, insane, perverted hater mofo iv ever known, now be a good boy and go back to your red headed inbreeded grp and die!!

and, oh yea, don't think for one minute that nothing will ever happen to you !!... why? ..>for the rest of your life, because of the words YOU have written and the threats YOU have made.

YOU will have to keep looking over your shoulder!!! watching your back. MARK MY WORDS!!!!!!

YOU ******* REAP WHAT YOU SEW!!

Still posting Esmay's lies then?

Who wrote the article that you claim is a lie?

Esmay altered it.

Paraphrasing a long study into a short article for reporting purposes is common. Links to the study were provided. This in no way proves dishonesty or refutes the study

He left out the part stating which people had been interviewed and how they had been selected for interview. Seems important enough to me.

Calling me a pedophiles maybe a game to you and Asianblu and Ambi. Its not to me. I want to see the evidence. I want to see proof.

Give it a rest. Nobody cares about your pointless questions. Answer a few of mine instead?

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Jack you admitted that if someone was gathering and collecting pictures of your child you would feel their safety was violated you went so far as to threaten the use of lethal force... Furthermore, the threats you made to gypsy and you admitting that you had gathered and collected pictures & that you knew were PRIVATE so the gathering and collecting was through nefarious means.

You've asked for and seen the screenshots several times. This is a game you play because you are fishing for evidence so you can carefully try to concoct a "defense" that doesn't contradict the evidence. It's very transparent.

You know what you did was wrong, you admitted that much when you stated if someone had done the same to you and your family you'd consider it a violation of their safety and would use lethal means to protect your families safety.

You should have apologized to gypsy and let it go but, instead you play some ignorant game of pretending you "didn't do anything wrong".

Ambi wrote: "instead you play some ignorant game of pretending you "didn't do anything wrong".

Which he typically does, or just tries to blame it on us and/or feminism.

This started way back in high school,when he was "falsely" accused of harassing a girl whom He had dated.

1960texan yep!!! it did!!!!

It says quite a bit about people who can't move on from the stupid things they did in high school that resulted in their being punished. Its often apparent that they suffer from the "Peter Pan Syndrome" and won't learn from their stupid mistakes, won't mature and become more knowledgeable, intelligent, and have more wisdom, and grow the hell up. Instead they choose to remain the idiotic little imbeciles that they were when they were young.

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I didn't bring it up. You did. You accused me of being a *********. I asked you to prove it. You and ambi (dante ) said there were screenshots to prove that I am a *********. I asked to see them.

For the sake of argument, lets say that there are screenshots proving these allegations. I want to see them. Most importantly I want other people to see them. Why won't you post them?

<p>hey jack *** you have seen the screenshost and no one has to prove anything to you!! we all know what your trying do here!!!</p><p>your trying to cover your ***, </p><p>as in, who meeeeeeeeeee??</p><p>trying to play the innocent card.</p><p>sorry dude!!<br />
you took pictures of children from my profile and u have seeked out teenagers here on e/p to recruit to ur lies and deceit.! </p><p>why do you keep bringing it up?? ur feelings of guilt must be strong !! since u r trying to cover ur *** up!</p><p>its not our responsibility its yours!!</p>

typical of those who are guilty, trying to place al blame and responsibility unto others!!!

" You've seen the screenshots and admitted to the crimes.Case closed."
I haven't seen the screenshots that proves Im a *********. I have not admitted to committing any crimes. Probably because I haven't commuted any crimes.

I would really like to see the screenshots proving that I am a *********.

"There are screenshots of you talking about having taken pictures of gypsy with her children..."
Let see those screenshots.

"....you admitted you gained access to these pictures by nefarious means."
Google search is nefarious? I searched for pictures of gypsy. However all the picture I found were of her with other family members. I wanted to use a picture of her in a YouTube video but I couldn't find a picture of her alone. I refuse to involve innocent people especially children. Lets see the screenshots that proves other wise. You say you have them. You have posted llinks to.screenshots of me before. Lets see them.

Jack has been uncharacteristically not prolifically spamming EP with his hate agitprop...

I was concerned that AVfM has possibly lost it's most fervent puppet.

Then I stumbled across this http://revolution-news.com/nazis-knife-feminists-womens-day-malmo-sweden/ and would like some confirmation that jacky boy was not in Sweden during the dates in question.

that article has some intense information to it !!!

Yeah, but the idiot MRA/anti-feminists constantly claim we are feminazis. If that were true why would the actual Nazis want to kill us.

" Freedom: Prove your accusations." ---Jack

You've seen the screenshots and admitted to the crimes.

Case closed.

Families also perpetuate this wanton cruel treatment toward the raped. I once witnessed a 12 year old victim's family members say the most appauling comments about the girl after the rape trial and conviction.

"She seduced him, she lied, she enjoyed it."

I was outraged and waisted no time in shaming this ignorant bunch of abusive ********. They were stacking injury atop the rape. No matter though the damage was already done this poor girl was thrown under the bus despite the courts who determined her the victim of a crime. They had to blame her. Maybe because they just couldn't face the notion that the crimes took place under their supervision and care of the girl. I and others warned them about the convicted abuser. I didn't like him the moment I met him as his attentions were all over my own child and I had to assertively tell him more than once to back off! Thak God I listened to my gut and did.

when a some one throws attention towards children, collecting pictures of them or joins in on.... online grp where kids hang out .......that is a tall tale sign!

BIG RED FLAG!

What children groups am I in?
We have already established that I have not "collected pictures" of children.

Here kittty kitty kitty!!

@ jackbarnesmra
There are screenshots of you talking about having taken pictures of gypsy with her children, you admitted you gained access to these pictures by nefarious means.

You stated you hadn't used them yet, but you might in a future YouTube video.

Stop lying.

In which group was the children's story and comments posted in?

SORRY dude! but your only tryng to save your ***, and it isn't working!!

go ahead , see how far ur lies will cover your *** lololol.

good luck!! the net doesn't lie!!!

ur words stay in cyber space for ever!!!

more so when there are probably 50 or more people right here on e/p who knows about ur lies and ur teenaged fetish!!

JACK THE WALKING TALKING **** SAID!!...>Because they are younger feminists I was nice to them. They're just kids after all.

the above proves you deliberately seeked out a grp where teenaged " kids " as you called them, wrote comments and stories !!!

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Freedom: Prove your accusations.

jack *** I don't have to prove **** to you!! your just trying to save your *** because you know you took pictures of children from my profile to use against their parents and feminist to blackmail them... you ******* bastard! ur low life ********* . you trying to recruit teenagers from e/p into ur deceit and lies! is one the same level as a *********, talk about grooming children??? your sick mofo!

As I thought.

yep YOUR THOUGHTS ARE same level as a *********... thank you for confirming that for me ! at least you have not denied that you are a *********!!

If a denial would make you feel better then I am not a *********. You are the only person making those allegations. I challenge you to provide proof.

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jack will not be able to have his day in court to nullify anything!! they weed out people like jack ! they don't let any jane or joe off the street to do jury duty.

jackass is baaaacckkkk for more abuse!!!! lolololol and of course he seeks out females right out of high school .TYPICAL of some one who uses children to black mail their family hu jack !!!

jack are you on the ********* thing again.... next it will be circumcision rights ...........and around and around you go !!!!! DUH!!! jack you are boring! and love playing the victim !

so do us all a favor, go gay or stop hating on women!! that is why u stay gone from ur wife , u don't like her! you don't like women period!

yea his conscious bothers him to much he has to purge it some way or the other !

yea he is now jumped to the rape crap now ...

No woman or man victim of rape has any responsibility for their rape. Rape is a crime. People who rape are breaking the law. That's easy to understand. Ignore all the **** about date rape, they weren't asking for it, it doesn't matter how drunk they were or what clothes they were wearing. No means no, and if someone is in no fit state to say no, you should assume that means no as well. Sex without consent is rape.

Some said death penalty for rapists. I say castration.

How do you castrate a woman? Rapists are women too.

There sadly are places where females get their parts down there removed and horrifyingly it is done with no medication, numbing, sleeping, etc. Let us be glad for the freedoms we have.

Yet circumcision is widely practiced here in the US.

Circumcision is widely practiced by who exactly in the US? Is it just single mothers, or do they do it behind the father's backs? I can't see any proof it is part of a worldwide feminist conspiracy, can you?

The only person who said that it is a world wide feminist conspiracy is you Mike.

Fair enough. I notice you didn't answer my questions either. Who exactly is behind castration in the US then Jack?

Castration has absolutely nothing to do with feminism, and fathers are the ones who often want their sons castrated far more than the mothers do. But of course JB tries to blame it on women and feminism as he so often does with so many things that men have a problem with.

I have never said that circumcision is a result of feminism. Mike said that. Not me. Circumcision has nothing to do with feminism other than feminist whaling about female genital mutilation while down playing male genital mutilation as far less harmful or harmless.

Did you mean to say "women are rapists too"? I think you probably did. 99 per cent of all rape convictions are against men. That means 1 per cent of women are convicted of rape. The majority of cases of rape by a female involve either child abuse of infants, or statutory rape of teenagers. Go back to your rape apologist bunker and read up on some facts, Jackie boy.

As for castrating rapists, you would refuse to convict any man accused of rape, as you have stated plenty of times on EP. Presumably you would refuse to convict any female accused of rape too? Fair's fair and all that.

Yep. Until men can receive a fair trial I will practice jury nullification. If anyone has a problem with that I really don't care.

Anyone who turns a blind eye to injustice is a spineless coward.

Mickie.

Blulady said:
" He should just hope that one day his daughter, his wife, or another female family member or friend of his (although I doubt he has any) will ever be raped....?"
How do you know that one of my female family members wasn't a victim of rape? You may be surprised.

I know that I will never sit on a jury. But I talk to many people about jury nullification. You can't report all of them to the courts. ;)

hey *** hole uv were on this same crap last march of 2013.... get over ur self

ur boring!!!!!!

Don't worry mike, JB is never going to be able to practice what he calls "jury nullification, but what we know is his desire to avoid male rapists from being convicted, because the courts where he lives and where he could be a juror have been notified of his intentions so he will NEVER be a juror on a rape case.
He should just hope that one day his daughter, his wife, or another female family member or friend of his (although I doubt he has any) will ever be raped, and that as a result of his telling his other stupid buddies not to vote rapists guilty, that the man who did that won't go free to keep doing it.

JB wrote: "Anyone who turns a blind eye to injustice is a spineless coward.
Mickie."

my response: Well then JB is very obviously a spineless coward, along with so many other MRAs since by voting that a rapist is not guilty is obviously turning their blind eye to the injustice that the female rape victim is suffering from, in addition to all the other injustice that women experience that they continuously turn their blind eyes to.

JB wrote: "How do you know that one of my female family members wasn't a victim of rape?"

my response: That isn't what I was writing about. Can you read and comprehend what people write without assuming they are stating something they aren't? I was writing about how wretched it would be if your daughter, your wife, a female family member, or female friend got raped in the future (not the past) and as a result of your idiotic suggestions to dumb people where you indicate that if they are jurors on rape cases they should not vote that the actual rapist is guilty, one of those dumb people who listen to your stupid **** may end up as a juror in the trial where the man who has raped your daughter, your wife, a female family member, or friend, and as a result the rapist who committed the rape will end up acquitted and your daughter, wife, family member, or friend will suffer intensely as a result while because of your asinine behavior the rapist will go free to commit rapes again. Would you regret that? Because if you wouldn't that speaks volumes about how you favor men, including vicious men who damage women, over all women including women who are close to you and care about you. It spells out what a royal douche bag you clearly are.

I have actually read where some male rapists and pedophiles have actually chosen to be medically castrated. The problem is they still mentally have the desire to rape women, and sexually abuse children so even after they can no longer commit rape or ********** with their penis they will do it with their fingers or other instruments because they can't get past wanting to do it simply because their penis no longer works.

Most rapists and pedophiles who elect to be medically castrated do it in the belief they will spend less time incarcerated. A you state their unnatural desires remain, and they go on to act as encouragers and aiders and abetters of illegal acts anyway.

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I was sexually abused every day for seven months by two men. I never had my first kiss, date, boyfriend before that. I'm still waiting til I get married before I willingly have sex. I never even saw a naked man before that. I miscarried and was unconscious for four days I was told. I am saddened by males who get raped and females who get raped getting blamed. Some people are nudists but that doesn't stop people from citing lack of modesty to others who wear different things. It is just a matter of people exercising disrespect, a need for power, a desire for control, and a sick mind.

my rapist was my husband and the thing is when I was raped it was 1986 and there were no marital rape laws! I have had people say to me that i deserved to be raped because I stayed with him! Married or not my no should have meant no and there was nothing I did to deserve what happened to me!

You didn't deserve it, and the fact there was no law against it at the time in no way diminishes the violation.

The old dinosaur of a cop told me i should just do my wifely duty and have sex with my husband because it was my job needless to say i didn't trust cops after that!

oh dear god, Paige.... wow... that is so awful! What an ignorant cop... some of those dinosaurs are still roaming the earth. I'm glad you made it through such a terrible time.

yeah he was a total **** and he was older and shouldn't have been a cop anyway! He just made me feel so much worse for myself! He died along time ago and I am so glad he is gone~

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rapist should get the death penalty

I understand why you would feel that way. However I believe they are sick in the head. I'm not sure if they can be fixed or if they are like Pedophiles and are always at risk at repeating their crime. I think there needs to be a lot of studying into the mind of a rapist. Before we go that far. Which begs the question why do we no longer have institutions where we can house people who suffer from violent mental illness. I believe it should be humane rapist put together in order to protect those suffering from other forms of illness. Our prisons are full of people who should not be in prison but in a mental institution. Where they could be given the treatment needed in order for them to live as normal as possible within the institution. I could write forever on this as I have given much thought to how as a society we should treat those who suffer from violent mental illness. It is such a shame they will never know the joy of being at peace. I can't imagine fighting the demons they live with every day. And before someone accuses me of being a bleeding heart I want to make it clear that I believe they should never be allowed to be to roam free and given a chance to repeat their crime.

they should be giving the death penalty

Hmm...full-blown sociopaths don't have a conscience.
The thing is? rapists mostly are not criminally insane. They are mostly...normal. Except they think it's ok to force sex on someone. Pedophiles tend to be pretty abnormal. BUT, people who sexually predate on children mostly tend to not be pedophiles, or if so not exclusively-it's just that children are smaller and easier to manipulate into silence. You tell a grown woman that you'll kill her if she tells, she isn't likely to believe. Tell a 10-year-old that, and it works.

that's why you give them both the death penalty an they cant do it againn

...I've thought about that. While it certainly feels right, it would do two things: One, the child victim might end up thinking "I got uncle Billy killed..." and/or not report.
The other thing? If you're going to get a death penalty for it anyway, killing your victim wouldn't earn a worse punishment, and you might be more likely to get away with it if the victim was dead.
There's a pretty horrible logic to not giving out the death penalty. Even though I think death is what they deserve.

depending on the state, like I live in texas so if they kill their victim most likely they will get the death penalty

Oh yeah. But dead victims don't talk...and murders are gotten away with.

I do realize murderers do get away with ****, but if you really wanna make an example out of them, death penalty

these things should be handled on a case by case basis. I've always thought violent criminals would better handled in a system matching our animal control. Cage and euthanise according to level of aggression and risk to the general public and animal center workers.

@hylierrandom
Unblock me. I meant I did not believe in shrinks.
I was not saying I did not believe you.

In California we do not have mental institutions for the public, but when a criminal is determined to be mentally ill he is not placed in a normal prison. He is placed in a prison that is designed to accommodate criminals with mental illnesses.

I agree that a true Psychopath has no conscience they are unable to feel guilt, or Empathy for their actions. Science has proven through the use of brain scans that their brain is over active in some parts and under active in others. This is through no fault of there own. As a society we need to decide what do we do with people like this. We would not kill someone born with a birth defect. But on the flip side of that coin these are dangerous people can they be helped through medication?? However I don't believe all rapist are Psychopaths. I'm sure my rapist was not. A drunk without a care of the emotional damage he inflected on me would be a better example of who he was. I believe he should have been sent to prison and forced to face the damage he inflicted on my life. I hope someday as a society that we are able to separate those who suffer from mental illness and those who choose to commit a crime.

you make some good points. I was raped at knifepoint by a complete stranger years ago and I would not like to have a person like him in any neighborhood where women live or visit. His prison term ends soon and it doesn't seem right to let him out while non violent persons are kept imprisoned for substance abuse and addiction. I find it frustrating that so many rarely consider asking the victims and survivors what they think when it comes to these crimes.

I am from texas, we execute people down here

Simple

Its just that simple.

Simple

yep

Simple.

Are you retarded? Why are you not understanding the gist of his remarks?

If you make rape a capital offense then rapes will more often turn into rape murders as there no longer will be any difference in the severity of the two acts' repercussions.


I know you come from a place where people have so little sense that they execute mentally retarded individuals for homicide. But, try to but for a moment rise above the puerility of Texas and fathom the idea of creating a negative chain reaction by making a crime a capital offense.

@Grafvon: Yup.
@Trudy: There isn't any medication that can give someone a conscience. You either have one (most of us) or you don't.

That is too simplistic. You can give someone a conscience at any point in their life. Just not in manner that is legally possible. As children people can be punished but as soon as they grow to adulthood the kind of constructive punishments that can be given as children are no longer possible.

If you could take a man/woman who bullies and expose them to excessive levels of the same kind of bullying followed by opportunities to empathize with the people that he/she had bullied in time that person would produce a new set of behaviors reflecting a new found ethic acquired from understanding the specific feelings of pain their bullying actions have on others. But, you would have to abduct someone and put them in an artificial environment with hired actors to achieve such an end in reality. And the result would be hard to acquire because the "pupil" would obsess about how their freedom to choose and self-direct had been removed.

I don't think they are sick in the head they just have this male entitlement thing - if a woman is vulnerable she's there for the taking.

yep and our churches, media mareting and *********** push the pro male entitlement culture in our faces relentlessly.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127888976
...I don't think there is a way to really fix them in adulthood. A child's brain is more plastic, though.

The normal, everyday rapist, yes... If he can take her, well, she was asking for it. That's the meme.

as hylier said rape often turns into murder. if you send one rapist to prison to try and rehabilitate him/her for it, chances are they will do it again. by maken rape a crime that can receive the death penalty it eliminates the chances they will do it again. tell me the difference in executing someone that rapes/murders their victim than someone rapes their victim? there isn't a difference honestly except one victim dies and the other lives with it for the rest of their life

and often wishes she had died.

I think I have made myself clear many times over as to where I stand from my numerous post.

People with relativistic ethical sensibilities that steer their conscience ideally should be dealt with. That includes women. But, it also includes men.

I was, however, being polemical and I did/do not literally believe that hitting people serves as a long term solution for negotiating boundaries and conduct.

However, doing nothing is the sort of thing that spawns culturally condoned sociopathy (America is a great example) as it becomes that there will be relatively little that is easily accessible and condoned to put anti-social, destructive behavior in check. Teaching benevolent, beneficient humanity is a hard act to balance when the culture where said sociopathy thrives is a incubator and haven for antisocial cultural institutions that pump negative messages into that society at a rate and pace that could never exist without a concerted effort to institutionalize the type of chaos that makes for pliable, easily manipulated "citizens" among the lower social and economic classes.

I am going to stop here.

graf., the penalty for rapist and pedos is to lenient, a man molest a 4 yr old boy/girl, goes away for 10 yrs and serves half of it and is out on good behavior, whats his punishment? registering as a sex offender an placing a sign in is front yard??? executing them is the only way

I agree it's too lenient...but that's a matter of the courts not imposing a harsh enough sentence.
In this case, the victim often gets to suffer a life sentence, so locking up the perps for 30-50 years would seem more appropriate.

I get that. but can we really be so sure that if we release a pedo/rapist back into society that he wont do it again??? what about ones that have multiple accounts of rape/child molestations?? before they are ever sentenced? Sandusky is a prime example, theres no way I would ever let someone like that sit in prison for the rest of what life he has to live. I would've executed him right then and there. make an example out of someone cause if we don't itll keep happening and happening and happening

Maybe some time off if the perp agrees to be surgically altered-castrated or a hysterectomy...if nothing else, they won't be able to raise their own victims.

If it worked that way it would be fine. But, it does not work that way even when the criminals are arrested. Plea bargains and a corrupt judiciary makes it impossible for sentencing differences to be meaningful other than inspiring greater paranoia in the minds of predators.

I wish there could be more honesty as the result would be many things including a judicial system that properly dealt with the dangers criminals pose and that prevented recidivism. The irony is that the full realization of such a system would be one that was not punitive but rather rehabilitative. There would be very little revenge satisfaction to be found. And that would feel less like justice to some.

castrated...although I for one like my pair as do other men lol.. (sorry if that was a bit too much) but I think it would be a good start to get them to understand that what they do is wrong and cant be tolerated. but we cant just let them keep doing it and doing it and doing it. same goes for in the prison system where it happens a lot there too. maybe its cause where I am from (texas) or maybe I am just tired of the way they seem to get it easier than other, why should they be treated different than murderers? in all honesty what they do is murder they murder the innocents of a child.

We let them out way too easily. Again though, if you make the penalty death, you're going to end up with more murder victims. If you want to focus outrage on something, you should focus on the system that lets the perps get off with a relatively light sentence...And the denial that allows them to have done their crimes in the first place.

The issues of systems that fail to deal with sex criminality properly are greater than simply one problem. I know that all of the nations that use the English system for their judiciary's model have this problem and many others.

I think everyone here should start being realistic and accept that the problems of sex crime prosecution are the result of a system that fails to deal with thousands of types of criminal prosecution properly if at all.

that's because it was never dealt with properly to begin with, countries America for one have just stood by and let this happen for so long that changing the system may b too late

@ graf...The culture excuses the sex criminal and claims the victim is partly to blame... Jurists and judges believe this cultural myth too, that the rapist was somehow "led on." This results in lenient sentences for sex criminals. It is also what the OP was talking about. There IS no excuse for rape, period.

some (south cental american in my case) cultures allow this as males are given special favor and entitlements, women are little more than maids and playthings.

yep in the deep south in America much of that thinking still exists!

I do not think it is ever to late. It just take more than many are willing to accept in any other way than after a long period of consideration. People have been deposing their governments all throughout history.

@ saints-yep, we don't like to look at how common sex crimes are....that denial tends to benefit perps, not victims.

how could any judge/jury ever think that a innocent child is to blame for her own molestation? any judge/jury that thinks that can die right along with them. I posted a story on a teacher from Kentucky that was convicted of rape of a 14 yr old. the judge gave that man 30 days cause the kid killed herself, really? in all honesty this is something I have felt strongly about for years sadly all I can do write my thoughts

That is one interesting discussion.
But i like to focus more on prevention than on punishment: changing the culture is what prevents rape, the threat of harsh punishments barely do.
People will always believe they can get away with it, if the death penalty would really work, how come Texas doesn't have less capital crimes than other states?

So i agree with Hylie on this one. Also: castration is not punishment, but prevention.
Besides ridding the world of rape culture, i think damage control should be more acceptabel: we tell depressed people to see a psych, why not perverts?
We as modern society condone, excuse or even encourage misogynist and violent hetcismale sexuality, that is a HUGE part of rape culture.
So, the solution: educate people, girls AND boys, crack down on the sex industry, fight misogyny everywhere and give perverts a welcoming path towards psychiatric help.
Testosterone blockers or hysterectomy have proved to remove the fuel that powers these guys, seeking that kind of help combined with therapy should be get normalized.

The only difference between the most common rapist and a "healthy heterosexual man" is that the rapist sees women's "no" as irrelevant, instead of an obstacle to overcome.
And if you're being honest, you know that this is true for the majority of men, lying to yourself doesn't better women's lives.

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There has been a lot of bickering some male bashing and female bashing. However there has also been a lot of talk about how rape affects victims, how victims are sometimes blamed for this Horrendous crime. And how often the rapist is only given a slap on the wrist. I've read some posts that's made me want to hunt down the the writer and slap some sense into them. But I am glad to see so many speak out against rape regardless of age, sex, race or sexual orientation. It's a good sign views on rape are changing. Perhaps one day soon law makers will understand the damage it does mentally to its victims and the punishment will fit the crime. And even better victims will no longer live with the shame that comes from being the victim of a very personal crime.

Male- bashing? There's been rapist- bashing but the closest I see to male-bashing is allegations of it

Read all the posts it got a little out of hand, and way off topic. I don't believe rapist bashing is the phrase I would use unless were taking about taking a ball bat to a rapist.

Rape is not about sex, it is about control and power, that is why 65 year old grandmothers can be just as much a target as a 22 year old woman. That should dispel the myth about what clothes are worn. Rapist are like any other criminal, they are opportunist, They strike when they think it will be easy and like any other crime it will never be completely stopped. I don't know if pepper spray or anything of that nature works but can guarantee you a 9mm or 45 shot through the head will do the trick. It's hard to know who the bad guys are sometimes and a lot attempt to gain your trust, especially with children. I don't know all of the answers but we can at least not continually let out the repeat offenders. I think three strikes is too many, after twice we should be done. A serial rapist has shown he will not stop and should never be let out.

I have made many of the same comments, but for some reason certain people still tend to believe that we women bring it on ourselves, and/or make it easier, by wearing certain clothes and behaving certain ways. I honestly have not heard that the majority of women who have been raped were wearing slutty clothes, walking through bad neighborhoods, dancing or acting sexy, or getting too drunk as some on this story seem to think is the case.

People do not believe you because any statements you make about a 65 year old being as likely target as a 20-something are obviously so erroneous that only an idiot would be able to believe them.

Rape is formed and directed by (specific) circumstances..... and YES the young woman with no underwear on in a miniskirt walking down a dangerous street will always be raped before the young/old woman wearing slacks (even better if they do not get pants two sizes to small so that they like a pair of yoga pants), a bra, a button down shirt, etc.

We get it. You and the other woman are ideologues and you want to repeat you message until it is drilled into the core of humanity. But, you are not going to get that result because your message is not cogent or persuasive. In fact, its downright nonsensical.

http://i.imgur.com/TPqUHeF.jpg

Said in jacks very own words, no twisting needed, Jack believes what women wear "attracks rapists", to be safe they should dress more "safely", remind anyone else of a certain cultural practice,

http://i.imgur.com/MSPrMuX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/An5uE4P.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2uwbDUp.jpg


Yeah it's too bad he simply only has his rape myth
accepting biases on his side, and as repeatedly stated,

" In one set of studies, researchers found that social norms about others' acceptance of rape myths may increase rape proclivity. When college students were led to believe that other students scored high (vs. low) on a measure of rape myth acceptance, they consequently reported greater personal rape myth acceptance and, in turn, greater rape proclivity. In these studies, rape proclivity was measured by having participants imagine a series of acquaintance rape scenarios and report

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The scenarios vary in terms of the victim's level of physical resistance, but all are clearly instances of rape. 


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Believing in these rape myths, normalization of these rape myths increases rape procivility. "

Why is it that people who don't want to believe in a rape culture are usually the very people creating a rape culture ?


It's disgusting.

And as Hylie and I have pointed out umpteen times, miniskirts don't attract rape. If provocative dress effected rape, women would be raped on the beaches all the time, and Muslim women would rarely be raped. The opposite is true.

http://i.imgur.com/WinT60f.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SAEgon8.jpg

Since women know and trust the vast majority of their rapists, the "safety advice" would be don't trust the men in your lives, but you don't see Jack or his pals here saying stuff like that.

Also of note when a feminist talked about the idea of "Schrödinger's Rapist" the paradox of what happens when women act as told, to protect themselves, from strange men, they are called paranoid man haters because not all men are rapists and should not be treated like they are, even though everyone admits it's hard to tell who is and isn't a rapist it's solely women's jobs to both treat all men as if they are ally's yet modify our behavior,dress and where we go and when because that is ASKING for rape and how these double standards abound in this mentality it was the MRA crew who threw trantrums about how this type of thought was demonizimg men's sexuality.

Sure it is, but only if you think men's sexuality is rape and that women are responsible for their own rapes.

Anyways I mostly want to say stop victim blaming. It's not helpful. It only increases rape proclivity in men and further endangers women. Think about what side you want to be on on this issue, helping create more rape or ending rape. If it's ending rape then stop victim blaming. This doesn't have to be a MRA vs Feminism issue, it should be a stopping rape issue vs spreading myths which encourage more rape issue. The choice can not be hard because as.misguided as some rape mythers are I have to believe they don't want to increase rape and now seeing the multiple studies provided through thwarting thread they will realise the error of their logic and do the right thing.

http://m.jiv.sagepub.com/content/25/11/2036.short

http://www.preventconnect.org/2012/08/new-research-the-role-of-rape-myth-acceptance/

http://www.thehealingplace.info/what-are-rape-myths/

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1348/135532510X499887/abstract

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092656698922383

http://www.eaplstudent.com/component/content/article/171-fact-sheet-rape-myths


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=27&ved=0CEEQFjAGOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Foccupytampa.org%2Ffiles%2Ftristan%2Fintrofem%2Ffinal%2Fj.1559-1816.1981.tb00739.x.pdf&ei=ZOksUpyQCOaziwLEhYGYDA&usg=AFQjCNG6_q48o4pGHtfEUgvwUbOrg--boQ&sig2=tHi4eJ_gNqgo5SfaTBegeg


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=23&ved=0CDAQFjACOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdoi.apa.org%2Fjournals%2Fpsp%2F38%2F2%2F217.pdf&ei=ZOksUpyQCOaziwLEhYGYDA&usg=AFQjCNH_EaIdTjA1Y_lb8I_WFiSwn5QAtA&sig2=YGxoNdVIlX5WA42-MVLRlg

Thank you Hylier and Ambit.... I get angry when I see:

"It's no excuse to rape, BUT......" and "They shouldn't get raped because of it, HOWEVER...." - - -- Putting the blame on anyone but the rapist is victim blaming pure and simple. As to what someone should wear, my god, there are a million different opinions as to what is "too sexy" etc.... women might as well wear burkas in that case.

It is offensive to men to state that they couldn't possibly hold off on raping someone wearing a short skirt or sexy outfit.

"Officer, I saw her naked ankle! I just couldn't stop myself!"

At Hylie that was exactly one the examples I used

http://i.imgur.com/SAEgon8.jpg <~~~ look at those ankles.

WOW...those guys are leering at her while she's in a full burka...that's pretty creepy, actually.

Oh but it's her fault, dontchaknow?!!

She is clearly to blame she should know better than to walk around unchaperoned wearing those types of shoes when she knows men will be around.

Those tarsal bones do it every time....

I think he's established himself as a despicable piece of scum with no redeeming features, no common sense, no common decency, no interest in facts that don't help his agenda of hate, no personal integrity - and a poor grasp of spelling and punctuation

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On the clothing issue...
http://www.tnblue.org/datingviolencemyths.cfm?sub=wi
"Convicted rapists often report that they were unaware of their victim's attire- they were aware of their victim's vulnerability. A woman's clothing does not encourage rape."
And I like this page's way of putting it:

"PREVENTION
The word “prevention” is one of the most widely misused words in educating people about sexual assault. The base word being “prevent” implies that you can prevent all sexual assaults from happening to you. You can’t! There is no 100% way to “prevent” sexual assault. By using the word “prevention”, many people will assume the survivor “could have prevented the assault if….” – thus, placing blame on the survivor for not being able to stop the assault from occurring. Awareness is the correct word to use.
http://www.datesafeproject.org/articles/date-rape-rape-sexual-assault-prevention-awareness-the-words-we-use/

http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/monsters/drake/Lecture%20Notes/rape_statistics.htm
The study quoted on here is old, but there's evidence that prior rape victims are 7 times more likely to be raped again. I could hazard guesses as to why, but they would just be guesses.

"As an example do you really honestly think drinking until you black out is "good" behavior?? No its a sign of mental issues... " It is. But mental issues don't just go away nicely, when you realize you're acting nutty and stupid....I talk to someone who struggles with a binge drinking problem, and has been struggling since she was a teen. She's smart, she's just really wounded...there are a lot of walking wounded.

Do you blame yourself? I mean it's ok to say "Yeah, that was stupid," but your rapist is still 100% to blame.
Ok, disparate example, here: credit card scams work because you have naive, foolish and dumb people out there able to be fooled. I get those robocalls all the time from "cardholder services" and know exactly what they are...but if there weren't people getting "taken" by these scams the scammers would not be running them, right? Are the scammed to blame for being easy marks?

I don't WANT people to fall prey to other people. But I don't think it's the victim's fault, ever. I also don't think anyone can ever stop scam artistry completely, or rape completely. The amoral people who do this sort of thing DO blame the victim for being "easy." Should we co-operate with that as a society? I don't think so.

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ruh roh dente's giving facts, links, and jacks giving clothing advice....

Funny, lowrider doesn't think Jack meant it 'that' way. But I think he did

To Jack giving clothing advice,


Myth: When a woman dresses provocatively, she’s asking for trouble.

Fact: Rapists look for easy, vulnerable targets. Thinking that women provoke attacks against them by the way they dress transfers blame from the perpetrator to the victim. Research shows that this particular myth helps others feel better because they think that rape couldn’t happen to them.


http://well.wvu.edu/articles/rape_myths_and_facts

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/psp/84/1/111/

Talks about The role of benevolent and hostile sexism in victim blame and rape proclivity.

I hate to step in like this, but when using selective vision, Jack does have a point. of course selective vision sucks, but it doesn't make it less true.
The clothing advise only works for 1 rape situation, not for the dozens and dozens of other situations. And even that is more perpetrator profiling than it is something about the victim.

I would probably give the same advise to my friend if she would want to "go Brittish" to a club, that a microskirt (do you really have to wear that rubbish?) requires regular panties, not a tiny thong or nothing at all.
Why? For a ton of reasons, but most relevant here: because the clubbing scene is notorious as a rape culture phenomenon. If you'd interview the guys there, you would understand the rapist profile instantly.
The idea that girls dress like that because they want to be touched and 'more', that it's an open invitation or that they're cockteasers who have it coming.

But again: that is the rapist mind of these guys, at some point he will rape someone anyway, nothing victims can do about. Only thing a friend can do: don't be one of the most tempting in the room.
Not the solution of course, but it does help a little with this specific type of rapist: the agressively hormonal and entitled type.

The real solution? Fighting rape culture, educating men and boys and make guys prevent rape, because they really can.
If your horniness is strong and violent, dont go clubbing and drink booze! Get help for your problem!

Approximately 2/3 of rapes were committed by someone known to the victim.<br />
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73% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger.<br />
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38% of rapist are a friend or acquaintance.<br />
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28% are an intimate.<br />
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U.S. Department of Justice.&nbsp;2005 National Crime Victimization Study.&nbsp;2005.

...Me too. It was one family acquaintance, one uncle, and my dad. The stranger who pointed a gun at me when I was 4? I ran from him.

I've often suspected that stranger assaults might target victims of prior abuse. So those who had a history of physical and sexual abuse were groomed easier targets for strangers.

"The majority of sexual assault are not reported to the police (an average of 54% of assaults in the last five years were not reported). Those rapists, of course, will never spend a day in prison. But even when the crime is reported, it is unlike to lead to an arrest and prosecution. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 3% of rapists will ever serve a day in prison."

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

44% of rape victims are under age 1880% of rape victims are under the age of 30

Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted

okay, i am seeing a lot of discussion bout teachers, so lets break that down. are their male teachers that rape girls? yes there are. whether its forcible rape or statutory rape. but then there are the ones that cry wolf. meaning she gets mad at them for not giving her a certain grade she thinks she deserves, is that right??? boys that have sex with their female teacher, to them its not rape its a dream come true. its rape either way you slice it

...It'll still do a number on the boys' heads, whether they recognize it or not.
It's still an abuse of authority by the female teacher.

that is true. and i know that it does mess with them psychologically, the point though is that boys aren't really gonna come out and say that he was raped by his teacher.

...I assume the parents would be the ones to press charges.

if the boy decides to tell... i mean hes more likely to tell his best friend then his parents.

Yup...and tell one teenager, the whole school knows pretty rapidly. Then administration hears the rumors and...Busted.

then again that could play both ways. with the whole getting mad and pointing fingers.

If the woman is legally adult, and the male is under the legal age of consent? If there was sex it was statutory rape.

that's not what I mean. say for an example a boy/girl that's 16 in a class with a male/female teacher, the boy/girl gets a bad grade on a report he/she did, thinks the teacher should raise it teacher refuses and the boy/girl runs home and tells their parents now you have a teacher in trouble for refusing to change the grade is that right?? I understand the consent thing, but how many of these people get caught up in revenge schemes? sometimes you gotta take a look at where the people come from, their history, are there family problems at home, ect ect before we as a society points fingers and say their guilty.

I think there's usually corroborating evidence, like the teacher sending a bazillion romantic texts to the kid, or emails, or phone call records. If it's the kid's word against the teacher and there's nothing else to go by, I doubt that the teacher would be convicted-I wouldn't if I were on that jury.

I don't doubt it but do you get what I am saying??

I totally agree. I know of three men who were very much stunted emotionally by such violations when they were children.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2009/10/how_often_do_women_falsely_cry_rape.html
"Rumney's smart debunkings leave us with a group of American, British, Canadian, and New Zealand studies that converge around a rate of 8 percent to 10 percent for false reports of rape."
...But I *believe* only about 53% of rapes are actually reported.

I am not doubting the facts, but what I am saying we need to know them before we accuse them. do I doubt the guy from penn state raped molested all those boys? no I think he did, but its odd how many came out the woodwork after the claim was made.

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9 of every 10 rape victims were female .


U.S. Department of Justice. 2003 National Crime Victimization Survey. 2003.

17.7 million American women&nbsp;have been victims of attempted or completed rape. <br />
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2.78 million men in the U.S. have been victims of sexual assault or rape.<br />
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National Institute of Justice & Centers for Disease Control & Prevention.&nbsp;Prevalence, Incidence and Consequences of Violence Against Women Survey.&nbsp;

Red:
" I saw a CNN debate on this with a male lawyer laughing and saying to the women (re: a teacher being caught having sex with her teenage student) "You don't understand! Ha ha... it's every teenage boy's dream!" I thought he was an absolute piece of crap for minimizing the potential damage of that boy. (The women on the panel tore him a new one but he kept on laughing. Jerk.)"

Yes. I see this all the time and it makes me sick. The double standard is so breaking obvious. One of the things we talk about in the mrm is that men are going to have to change too, not just women. It will have to be a change in our entire society.

What makes me want to go get a half gallon and get ****** up as a lab rat is when I hear about these boys growing up and having to pay child support to their rapist. WTF doesn't quite cover it.

The way a person dresses makes them an easier target.
Which is easier.
A. Miniskirt no panties.
B. Skin tight jeans and a belt.

Oops. I just gave some common sense advice to.women on how to prevent rape by making themselves less appealing to rapists. Their I go again blaming the victim. Im sorry. Wear whatever you want to wear ladies. Your safety isn't your responsibility. Its the rapists responsibility to keep you safe by not raping you.

http://well.wvu.edu/articles/rape_myths_and_facts
"Myth: When a woman dresses provocatively, she’s asking for trouble.
Fact: Rapists look for easy, vulnerable targets. Thinking that women provoke attacks against them by the way they dress transfers blame from the perpetrator to the victim. Research shows that this particular myth helps others feel better because they think that rape couldn’t happen to them."

The biggesst risk factor of all is befriending someone whom you should not:
"Of all sexual assaults, 73 percent are committed by a non-stranger (a friend, an acquaintance, a classmate, a teacher, a relative, or an intimate partner)"
http://www.datehookup.com/content-what-you-should-know-about-rape-and-sexual-assault.htm

what!

"Myth: Rape is usually violent and involves a stranger.
Fact: Actually around 73% of all rapes and 90% of rapes on college campuses are committed by someone the victim knows. "
http://well.wvu.edu/articles/rape_myths_and_facts

...So the choices women need to worry about would be which men we should spend time with, statistically speaking.

More from the article:
"Myth: When a woman dresses provocatively, she’s asking for trouble.
Fact: Rapists look for easy, vulnerable targets. Thinking that women provoke attacks against them by the way they dress transfers blame from the perpetrator to the victim. Research shows that this particular myth helps others feel better because they think that rape couldn’t happen to them."

"Myth: Only attractive women are raped.
Fact: Anyone can be raped. Children, the elderly and people with physical and mental disabilities are easy targets of rape because of their vulnerability. Men, gay and straight alike, can and do get raped. Rape is not about passion or uncontrollable lust. It’s about control over another person and it’s an opportunistic act of violence. Heterosexual men are responsible for the majority of all rapes."

"Fact: Rapists look for easy, vulnerable targets. Thinking that women provoke attacks against them by the way they dress transfers blame from the perpetrator to the victim. Research shows that this particular myth helps others feel better because they think that rape couldn’t happen to them." <---- THANK YOU! Yes!

Absolutely!

No woman should ever be blamed for being raped regardless of the circumstances. Period! However, we do live in a world where such crimes occur, and as women we can't just sit back and depend on society and the law to always protect us. We must be proactive and understand how our own choices may or may not put us in dangerous situations.

Amen!

@LG: Do you give men that same advice?

Precisely

I absolutely would... yes.

@LG - Good. Then the first part of your comment could conceivably be revised to read, "No man or woman should ever be blamed for being raped regardless of the circumstances." ....... and on that would we be in completely agreement

So seeing as most rapes are done to us by men we trust and know, how exactly should we keep ourselves safe from rape exactly ?

Hang out with more respectable men?

@Joey-respectable often translates to "has power, prestige or money."
A rapist (male or female) that has power, prestige, and money would be more likely to not get convicted, I think.

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@Jack I fear that you don't really want to read this feminist bigotry since the victim is a little girl and the rapist is a man

Jack is a *****. I think he's afraid of vaginas

He's the most contemptible, obnoxious worthless piece of ordure ever to cast a shadow. Not one redeeming feature

He looks good in tights. So I've heard.

Tadadada tadadada Jackman!

He has not a shred of humanity, decency or honour

I think he is afraid of vaginas, but is also angry at them because he doesn't get them much.

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Jack,I completely agree with you. Female teachers who harm ( rape) teen boys in this way should be held accountable just as male teachers should. It is disturbing and wrong and a crime regardless of the sex of the teacher/ adult.

Jack / Knightrunner: you realize that you couldn't win an argument with a toddler. Right?

@Jane - I completely agree. Teachers should NOT be eyeing up the children (regardless of how "mature" they act) when they go to school.

I saw a CNN debate on this with a male lawyer laughing and saying to the women (re: a teacher being caught having sex with her teenage student) "You don't understand! Ha ha... it's every teenage boy's dream!" I thought he was an absolute piece of crap for minimizing the potential damage of that boy. (The women on the panel tore him a new one but he kept on laughing. Jerk.)

Ruby hi!
I completely agree.
Boys who are victimized in this way are harmed just as much as girls. Jack is right about our culture tendency to minimize and excuse the harm done to boys. I'm especially concerned about boys whom are harmed in this way by male teachers and coaches and whom fear shame and stigma as well as the questioning of their sexual orientation and as a result suffer in silence because they are too scared to report the abuse. That Sandusky creep comes to mind.

Hello! Absolutely. Sandusky is a really good example too... he STILL says it was a "misunderstanding". One of his lawyers said, "there are a lot of juvenile delinquents and people who are dependent who have to be taught basic life skills, like how to put soap on their body." - - - - Uh..... noooooooo.

My best friend was molested for years by his uncle. His uncle was a teacher, and...active in extracurricular activities with the students and such...*BARF*
...At least the b@stard's a registered sex offender now.

I can not fathom how difficult it would be for a boy to come forward and report this crime because of our intense homophobia. I think because of this boys are really quite vulnerable.

OMG Hylier... man, these people manage to worm their way into so many situations where there come in contact with kids! Your poor friend....I hope he has been able to have a measure of healing. (Dude =registered sex offender - good!!!)

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Damsel:
" A few weeks ago in the UK a judge let a 47 year old man off for the rape of a 13 year old girl, describing the child as 'predatory."
Could you please post a link to this story. I would like to read more about it.

What is wrong with these judges?

jack I posted that story

Jane:
" Lets talk about the 14 year old who was raped by her teacher and who committed suicide. The judge gave that ephebophile rapist teacher 30 days for this horrible and disturbing crime!The judge actually blamed the 14 year old child, saying she acted older than her years! WTF!!!!!! "
I just read about that right before logging on to EP this morning. My reaction was very similar to yours.
I have heard of judges and female pedophiles doing the same thing to boys. The women would claim "he was more mature than his age" or "he seduced me. He is the predator. Im the victim." This is the first I have heard of a judge saying this about a girl.
First I would like to say WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE PEOPLE SITTING ON THE BENCH. OMG!!!!!!!
The next thing I would like to point out is the levels of public outrage. People are ready to hang the judge your talking about and rightfully so. He shouldn't be on THE bench. Period. But when it happens to boys we hear little more than a murmur of disapproval then people go on about their business. Its a double standard and isn't right. It is an example of how society views boys and girls differently. That also needs to change.

Jack, if you want to talk to me, then unblock me. Otherwise, take your ***** comments elsewhere.

Jack you are asking me a question but you blocked me a long long time ago.

@joeyfox
I agree 100%

I agree with you because what you said was right. Im kinda surprised because that you had such a rational thought. Usually your just full of ****. Unblock you. No thanks.

Wouldn't it be lovely if the there were no criminals in the world where we could leave our doors unlocked and not bother with keys for our cars. We'd just have on-buttons because no one would steal them.

Rapists are criminals. Period.

Women who don't protect themselves and put themselves in vulnerable positions are stupid and irresponsible, but that does not make them any less a victim.

However, the women who cry false rape are the worst kind. They cast a shadow of doubt on true rape.

To the men who claim that women are asking to be raped: shame on you.

But to the women who believe that there are no false claims of rape: shame on you as well.

To the ******** who think that falsely accusing anyone of anything, and actually raping someone, belong in the same category, shame on you too! They are two entirely different things

Agreed.

This is an extremely well written post by CallipygianVenus. She is spot on correct. Rapists should be held accountable for their crimes. Victims are never at fault.
I am surprised that Jack can find fault here.
Jack; rape is wrong, it is a crime.
Jack, as a " MRA" why don't you focus your passion on helping men whom are raped? You can start with the prison system and then advance to pedophiles and ephebophile s whom target boys as well as girls.
There is a HUGE problem with rape victims failing to report rapes for fear of being shamed, reprisals, bullied, not being believed. In fact I'd be willing to bet that the majority of rapes go unreported.
Lets talk about the 14 year old who was raped by her teacher and who committed suicide. The judge gave that ephebophile rapist teacher 30 days for this horrible and disturbing crime!
The judge actually blamed the 14 year old child, saying she acted older than her years! WTF!!!!!! The teacher is 49, a man in a position of trust and that pitiful excuse for a judge is blaming the child.
Jack, your efforts here bullying and harassing feminists is in vain. Put your passion where it will do some good.
Fight for men and boys as a real MRA and leave us feminists to fight for the rights of everyone else.

That judge is an abomination. No wonder rape victims are too scared to report such a crime. It emboldens the "tsk tskers" to blame the victim.

Exactly Ruby!

He could well be one of Paul Elam's buddies

You've got some really good suggestions Jane. The victim blaming really has to end. It's wrong on so many levels. As I posted before it's been proven to reinforce rape myths, and studies further found that the acceptance of rape myths directly correlated with men's proclivity to rape, so these people are not helping women stay safe they are increasing the likelihood that men will rape.

A few weeks ago in the UK a judge let a 47 year old man off for the rape of a 13 year old girl, describing the child as 'predatory." I'm keeping my eyes open for further news as to appeals from the CPS as it's definitely against the law for a middle aged man to have sex with anyone under 16. He might have got away with it if he'd been 14...

Quite right, silly me. Must've misread it

"Fight for men and boys as a real MRA and leave us feminists to fight for the rights of everyone else" Yep.

Jack doesn't think there's much wrong with raping women and girls, because that's mostly a feminist misandrist plot. Talk about how women rape boys and men and then he might listen. He's a fully qualified mra with letters after his name.

MRA=major real *******

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There are no "feminist rules" it's called common decency and personal integrity both of which you clearly have none of.

You are attacking a person who is not here, cannot block you, respond, defend herself, engage you in anyway.... YOU ARE SCREAMING AT AND ******* ON A CORPSE you desperate pathetic little stain of ignorant and impotent rage.

I hope everyone has screenshots of Jack admitting he knows he is bullying people solely for holding beliefs different than his and is confirming that he will continue to attack rape victims who speak out against rape. <br />
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It's pretty hilarious how he is always comparing his views to the KKK, arguing constantly that free speech means allowing the KKK to have rallys... We get it Jack the MRA is the KKK. Okay? You are just like the KKK and will say what you want when you want no matter what because FREE SPEECH. YOU have made your point. <br />
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I guess one could argue the MRA and the KKK are essentially the same thing given both organizations were created by white men for white men for the purpose of harassing minorities who dare to speak up for themselves. <br />
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I personally would not make the association because it looks as silly as comparing feminism to nazism. Total sophistry. But we understand your point Jack your a MRA and just like the KKk you are a white Christian man who is going to harass people who disagree with you because you have free speech. Now seriously could you move on. Find another point already !<br />
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Seriously what individual seriously thinks it's "activism" to attack and harass people simply because they have a different opinion? There is nothing brave or noble about throwing tantrums on the internet.

"I guess one could argue the MRA and the KKK are essentially the same thing given both organizations were created by white men for white men for the purpose of harassing minorities who dare to speak up for themselves"

That is, in fact, a very interesting parallel....

Well I guess we can thank Jack for repeatedly pointing out the similarities.

Why does anyone listen to the little **** anyway? He's a baby. Always has been. Always will be.

Yep, little whiny crybaby who obviously loves to throw temper tantrums.

If he found out where you live he would probably burn a cross on your lawn.

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Just for the record, what's the feminist rules in regard of the statute of limitations on calling out hatred and bigotry? I think this would be good information to be posted on EP. Especially since the feminists seem hell bent on all the rest of us obeying them like the own the place.

I don't care how old a story is.

I don't care about who the author is.

I don't care if the author hasn't been on here for years.

I don't care if the author is dead or alive.

I don't care if the author has been the victim of rape or any other sort of violent crime.

If you spew hatred and bigotry (feminism) on EP I WILL CALL YOU OUT ON IT.

PERIOD.

And to anyone who doesn't like it, especially feminists. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. I doubt that a member of the NAACP cares what a member of the KKK thinks. I don't care what a feminist thinks.

The fact that a person is a rape victim is no excuse for spewing hatred and bigotry (feminism).

I've been saying the same thing. Yet they would try and condemn me like I'm the one who raped the crazy broad.

Question Jack instead of pretending to be Lanas pimp why don't you set up debates for yourself?


Will Conceptual host a debate that involves you? (something tells me no).

I am recruiting for volunteers, is there anyone who will host a debate where Jack Debates himself ?

I second that!

Ill take that as a "no".

" Crawl back up into Satan's rectum....."
I thought I was Satan. I mean I was born with a penis so Im by nature evil. Right feminists?

@Jack - Show everybody what kind of person Lana is? Why would I want to do that? Lana is perfectly capable of representing herself. Do you imagine I have some kind of personal grudge against her just because she cannot stay on topic and descends into contradicting, rants and insults? I don't. I've belonged to debating societies for years and it's a common enough but not very successful strategy. But even if I did have a grudge, I certainly have no intention of getting into a catfight to amuse you, you loathesome little creep. Crawl back up into Satan's rectum you foul, disgusting coward

Damsel everyone already witnessed you try to have a civil debate with Lana and we witnessed how vulgar and abusive Lana behaved. Why Jack who apparently thinks he is Lana's pimp thinks you need to debate her again or why he would think it appropriate for him to send you the invitation instead of Conceptual (who despite his faults is a bastion of civility and etiquette and would be appalled at the lack of Jacks manners) I have no clue.

I do however wonder why Jack is so desperate to see women "debate" which from past experience we know he believes is insult one another, it is almost as if it gives him sort of thrill to pit women against one another.

I also wonder how little one's personal integrity and intellectual honesty has to be that they would be on a thread about rape and trying to derail it with essentially chants of

"fight fight fight fight fight"

Just like some child on the playground.

Yes indeed to all!

The continual derailment is beyond disrespectful to the absent author.

Why jack would imagine I'd dance to his tune is beyond sense

I can't imagine what it must be like to be so full of hate... it must be soul destroying. The irony is that it is entirely self inflicted.

Sometimes it's hard to watch...

(I'm surprised Lana has tolerated any such challenge coming from bed-wetter. I'm insulted that he's even entertained the idea I would kow-tow to him. Really what a f**king cheek.


One thing Lana DOES have in common with all of us feminists is that we are all way, way, way above his league)

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Damsel.ConceptualC has offered to host a debate between you and Lana. Will you accept?
Here's your chance to show everybody what kind of person Lana is. What say you?

To keep the thread on topic and relevant to the Original post, given that Jack has admitted he is incapable of answering simple questions I would like to invite any/everyone to fill out the questionaire,

Instructions : For each question please check only one box

1) If a woman is drunk is it okay to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

2) If a woman is walking alone at night, is it okay to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

3) If a women is drugged and unconscious, is it ok to  rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

4) If a woman is wearing a short skirt is it ok rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

5) If a woman is jogging in a park at 5 am is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

6) If a woman looks like your ex-girlfriend who you're still hung up on,  is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

7) If a woman is asleep in her bed, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

8) If a woman is asleep in your bed, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

9) If a woman is doing her laundry, is it ok rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

10) If a woman is in a coma, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

11) If a woman changes her mind in the middle of or about a particular activity is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

12) If a woman has repeatedly refused a certain activity, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

13) If a woman is not yet a woman, but a child, is it ok to  rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

14) If your girlfriend or wife is not in the mood, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

15) If your step-daughter is watching tv, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

16) If you break into a house and find a woman there, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

17) If your friend thinks it's okay to rape someone, should you tell him it's not, and that he's not your friend?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

18) If your "friend" tells you they raped someone should  you report them to the police?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

[ ] I don't have any friends

19) If your frat-brother at the party tells you there's an unconscious woman upstairs and it's your turn to rape her should you ?

[ ] rape her

[ ]call the police and tell the guy he's a rapist.

20) Should you tell your your sons it is okay to rape someone ?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

21) Should you tell your god-sons it is okay to rape someone?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

22) Should you tell your nephews it is okay to rape someone?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

23) Should you tell your grandsons it's okay to rape someone?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

24) Should you tell the sons of your friends it's okay to rape someone ?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

25) Do you have control over your actions?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

26) Are you responsible for your actions?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

27) Do you want to perpetuate a culture that believes you are not responsible for your actions?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

28) Do you want to perpetuate a culture that believes you are not in control of your actions?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

Lol at hylier and her vegie friends. Thumbs up.

In the spirit of reciprocity or fair play and just to show Jack how much more capable I am than him, I have taken the questionaire myself.

Instructions : For each question please check only one box

1) If a woman is drunk is it okay to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

2) If a woman is walking alone at night, is it okay to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

3) If a women is drugged and unconscious, is it ok to  rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

4) If a woman is wearing a short skirt is it ok rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

5) If a woman is jogging in a park at 5 am is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

6) If a woman looks like your ex-girlfriend who you're still hung up on,  is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

7) If a woman is asleep in her bed, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

8) If a woman is asleep in your bed, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

9) If a woman is doing her laundry, is it ok rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know


10) If a woman is in a coma, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know


11) If a woman changes her mind in the middle of or about a particular activity is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know


12) If a woman has repeatedly refused a certain activity, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

13) If a woman is not yet a woman, but a child, is it ok to  rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

14) If your girlfriend or wife is not in the mood, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

15) If your step-daughter is watching tv, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

16) If you break into a house and find a woman there, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

17) If your friend thinks it's okay to rape someone, should you tell him it's not, and that he's not your friend?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

18) If your "friend" tells you they raped someone should  you report them to the police?

[ ✔ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

[ ] I don't have any friends

19) If your frat-brother at the party tells you there's an unconscious woman upstairs and it's your turn to rape her should you ?

[ ] rape her

[ ✔ ]call the police and tell the guy he's a rapist.

20) Should you tell your your sons it is okay to rape someone ?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

21) Should you tell your god-sons it is okay to rape someone?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

22) Should you tell your nephews it is okay to rape someone?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

23) Should you tell your grandsons it's okay to rape someone?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

24) Should you tell the sons of your friends it's okay to rape someone ?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

25) Do you have control over your actions?

[ ✔ ] yes  (mostly)

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

26) Are you responsible for your actions?

[ ✔ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

27) Do you want to perpetuate a culture that believes you are not responsible for your actions?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

28) Do you want to perpetuate a culture that believes you are not in control of your actions?

[ ] yes 

[ ✔ ] no   

[ ] I don't know


I just want to say I have never raped a woman. I don't think it's okay to ever rape women. I make sure others know it's not okay to rape and rape is the fault of rapists not their victims.

What about raping men though?
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I have never raped a woman, or a man, or any other assorted gender.
We will not talk about what I may or may not have gotten up to with carrots and zucchini in my younger years.

Plus it's all very well us banging on about men and women, lesbians, transsexuals - et al - but what about intersex folk? There is a branch of humanity that's been left out of the mix - and can you imagine what kind of victim shaming questions they'd have to put up with?

To para quote Jackbarnesmra

"Trying to silence others who want to discuss and bring awareness to male on female rape and female rape victims with in this community is the real misogyny"

...Well, he does like to skip the fact that male-on-female rape is the majority pattern. I think the culture blames females for their own rapes.
I also think the culture invalidates male survivors of female abuse...a few of whom I am online friends with.

I agree with you hylie. I also agree with Damsel in the sense that pretending gender is a binary is oppressive and to rape victims whom fall far from within the traditional gender binary roles probably feel uniquely victimized when it comes to various sex crimes.

D@mn straight the gender binary's oppressive!
Otherwise I'd have an "A" for androgyne on my driver's license, and intersex babies wouldn't get genitoplasty.
Transwomen face a lot of discrimination...transmen, not as much, they tend to pass as cismen pretty easily after mastectomy.

Ditto

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@JackBarksMRA


Okay enough derailing of this thread ....stop with the tantrums jack and prove you can actually do something besides troll.


There is nothing sexist about these specific questions they are taken specifically from the original post.

It is apparent you didn't actually read the original post or you would have known that.

Please demonstrate that you are literate and possess the ability to focus on what the original post is *actually* about,

The following  are yes/no questions which should fit in nicely with your habit of "black or white" fallacious logic  (but, because we all know how ignorant you are we will add a few more categories just in case), hopefully you can answer them and prove you are at least capable of some form of rational "thought" how ever minimal it may be; further failure to answer them is you explicitly admitting you cannot answer them and are simply a troll throwing a tantrum because you can't find legitimate ways to engage in discussion and you just want attention.

As people who read the original post know,

These Questions come DIRECTLY FROM THE ORIGINAL POST so are actually on topic and are what the comments on this story SHOULD actually be about.

Instructions : For each question please check only one box

1) If a woman is drunk is it okay to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

2) If a woman is walking alone at night, is it okay to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

3) If a women is drugged and unconscious, is it ok to  rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

4) If a woman is wearing a short skirt is it ok rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

5) If a woman is jogging in a park at 5 am is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

6) If a woman looks like your ex-girlfriend who you're still hung up on,  is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

7) If a woman is asleep in her bed, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

8) If a woman is asleep in your bed, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

9) If a woman is doing her laundry, is it ok rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

10) If a woman is in a coma, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

11) If a woman changes her mind in the middle of or about a particular activity is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

12) If a woman has repeatedly refused a certain activity, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

13) If a woman is not yet a woman, but a child, is it ok to  rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

14) If your girlfriend or wife is not in the mood, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

15) If your step-daughter is watching tv, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

16) If you break into a house and find a woman there, is it ok to rape her?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

17) If your friend thinks it's okay to rape someone, should you tell him it's not, and that he's not your friend?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

18) If your "friend" tells you they raped someone should  you report them to the police?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

[ ] I don't have any friends

19) If your frat-brother at the party tells you there's an unconscious woman upstairs and it's your turn to rape her should you ?

[ ] rape her

[ ]call the police and tell the guy he's a rapist.

20) Should you tell your your sons it is okay to rape someone ?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

21) Should you tell your god-sons it is okay to rape someone?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

22) Should you tell your nephews it is okay to rape someone?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

23) Should you tell your grandsons it's okay to rape someone?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

24) Should you tell the sons of your friends it's okay to rape someone ?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

25) Do you have control over your actions?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

26) Are you responsible for your actions?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

27) Do you want to perpetuate a culture that believes you are not responsible for your actions?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

28) Do you want to perpetuate a culture that believes you are not in control of your actions?

[ ] yes 

[ ] no   

[ ] I don't know

AFTER  you have successfully completed this questionnaire we will move the conversation forward.

You are no longer welcome to derail this story with your trolling and tantrums.

I'd already challenged all comers to a debate and Lana was one of the few misogynists with the courage to respond. But she could only rant at length and find ways of blaming women, not feminism, for all society's ills - and had a tantrum when this was pointed out to her.

Yes. Nobody could give an example on your story as to how feminism has made their life worse... it was just angry rants about crazy people and had nothing to do with feminism.

Curious how claims are being made as to how you would not show up for a \"debate\" yet only Lana was brave enough to come post on your own story requesting the very same thing.

Sigh.... don\'t give your time Damsel. Some people are just angry and feel so helpless in life that EP is their only outlet for their constant rage. The people they come into contact with in \"real life\" won\'t have anything to do with them because they are utterly toxic.

It really was repulsive the way Lana behaved towards you and others during that debate, I would be surprised honestly if you ever engaged in a conversation with her again she was down right vulgar towards you during that, and then she harassed you non-stop for days and days after, you really were very patient.

Yeah, well, I always look for the other person's perspective. And life as a Russian spy must be very stressful, what with one thing and another, and trying to keep it secret. And on top of that the poor girl has to undego terrorism training. It's arduous. Not just anyone is suitable for terrorism and I think she realised in the end that debating with a load of focused, fact-fuelled feminazis was part of that training. She's never been the same since

Should we mention Jack never showed up to the that debate? I'm sure it was because he was busy setting up his own better debate which he had blocked everyone from attending !

He probably never sent himself an invitation - or else he did, but he posted it up somewhere random and didn't see it

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A hahaha the same guy who is trying to silence a discussion about female victims of rape is now seriously saying


" Trying to silence others who want to discuss and bring awareness to male on male and female on female rape with in the homosexual community is the real homophobia"


By his own logic he then is a raging misogynist for silencing the discussion on this post about female victims of rape.


Lets also all take note how he tap dances around the very fact that his statements aren't actually talking about the problem of rape within the LBGT community, but are actually victim blaming, because the posit the false belief that most male rape victims are homosexuals and criminals...I'm sure he will be here next telling us that if these men don't want to be raped they should not be in prison and should not be gay or around gay people, afterall he thinks women are responsible for their safety and it's common sense for them not to get drunk around guys or be alone at night etc etc etc ....

Oh and PS it\'s funny he attacks people not talking about the problem of rape within the LGBT community, except Hylie, myself, Rubies, Damsel, Scar and several others have done that very thing several times, in fact Damsel has a very recent story about it, http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Know-They-Call-Objectivity-A-Liberal-Bias/3444233


And no-one expects hand delivered invitations but inviting people to debates when you\'ve got them blocked on the stories of OTHER people is as ridiculous and idiotic as most things you do and say. The fact that you thought that was some brilliant idea and are now defending it is really just embarassingly desperate.

Damsel you were challenged to the debate by Lana. I posted the link to the debate story on voodoos story for all to see. I unlocked you for a week or more. You didn't show. What do you want a hand delivered invitation?

Most men who raped by men are in prison. In fact male prison rape out numbers all female rape victims combined.
The next largest group of men that suffer male rape is gay men.
I will not allow you to silence an important conversation about problems in the gay and lesbian community because you feel like throwing the label of.homophobe at me just to.discredit me. Trying to silence others who want to discuss and bring awareness to male on male and female on female rape with in the homosexual community is the real homophobia. Homosexuals are people too. The homosexual community has problems too. These problems must be discussed in order to find solutions. You attempting to silence discussion is preventing these problems from being discussed. I guess you don't want these problems to be discussed or solved. I guess defending your feminist narrative of men=rapist woman=victim is all you care about. I gueee flinging any thing you can get your hands on at me in order to discredit me is more important than allowing the truth to be told.
You are a sick disgusting person damsel. Im all but done with you.

Oh and by the way. Here is the study showing 60% of reported rapes are.false.
\" A review of 556 rape accusations filed against Air Force personnel found that 27% of women later recanted. Then 25 criteria were developed based on the profile of those women, and then submitted to three independent reviewers to review the remaining cases. If all three reviewers deemed the allegation was false, it was categorized as false. As a result, 60% of all allegations were found to be false.\"
Can you read that damsel or do I need to use all capital letters?

You were either being serious or you were being sarcastic. Either way anyone that can read can see what you and your friends are up to.

Im starting to get a back log.of.YouTube videos that I need to make. I up to three more \"this is what feminism looks like\" staring EP feminists and several others on a variety of topics concerning men\'s rights and feminism.
An mras work is never done.

Jack Barnes you festering little coward I never ever make jokes about rape. Even if you were the victim I still wouldn't

Damsel he is just desperate to explain away his blatant misandry everyone knows you were mocking him not rape it\'s very clear. Him admitting that he seriously believes male rape victims are just homosexuals and prisoners is beyond disgusting.

I can\'t decide what\'s more repulsive his homophobia (most homosexuals get raped/rape men) or his misandy most men who are raped are criminals. Gross all around. And ironically it\'s victim blaming exactly what this story is speaking out against.

Yes it is. Did you know that he challenged me to debate with Lana and didn\'t bother telling me? LOL About three weeks ago, apparently. He hosted it on his own story but forgot he blocked me years ago because that\'s the kind of craven coward he is. Even LR might get sick of him - and she\'s desperate for any friend who will have her

Yeah he \"invited\" me to a debate with Lana too...I have a post about it,I think you will find a few similarities, http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Support-Mgtow-Men-Going-Their-Own-Way/2855325

It wouldn't be so bad being challenged to a debate if they were interested in the subject under debate or if there was any benefit to it. But this is so clearly not the case

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"Guess you forgot the studies I posted show false rape accusations to be more than 50%." --JacktotallybustedMRA <br />
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You need to start reading the studies you cut and paste, because none of your studies did that. <br />
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13% < 50%<br />
27% < 50% (ps recanting also doesn't = lying)<br />
40% < 50% (ps the study is only accepted within a very limited realm of the manosphere)<br />
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And you've already been told and been provided with several links which prove the one study that got close, the Kanin study has been deemed too flawed to be reliable, by the scientific community and the rest of the world. Your insistence on continuing to use the study is yet another demonstration of your willful ignorance.<br />
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FTR there is aso a reason lie detectors aren't allowed in courts of law. <br />
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And here is the best most best thing, I have taken screenshots of you taking offense at Damsels sarcastic joke where she was mocking something you admit you said and seriously meant. <br />
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"You were making a joke about rape victims. Not a joke about rape but a joke about rape victims. That's the difference." --JackMisandristMRA <br />
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Damsels joke had nothing to do with rape or rape victims you desperate blithering idiot, she was using sarcasm to joke about what a ignorant and hypocritical misandrist Mr MRA Leader JackBarnes is !<br />
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So the next time you want to call someone a misandrist bigot go ahead and look in the mirror.

No damsel your busted. I made a statement about male rape in a conversation about male rape. Most male on male rape victims do.happen in prison. Most reported male on male rapes that aren't in prison are by homosexuals.

You were making a joke about rape victims. Not a joke about rape but a joke about rape victims. That's the difference.

Guess you forgot the studies I posted show false rape accusations to be more than 50%. Cherry pick your facts that\'s hat feminists are good at.

I am a rape survivor and I have to say why on earth would any one make up the fact they were raped it is the most soul destroying thing you can ever imagine! Before you say that get to know a person who has been raped because you would learn alot! I was 21 years old when it happened to me and I am 46 now and I still suffer from life long consequence from it and no I don\'t hate all men because of it! Yes I hate the man who did that to me but not all men are like him! So I just don\'t understand the men\'s rights movement it seems to me they are saying all of us who are rape survivors are lying about it and that is just plain wrong!

I know someone who was raped. A close famil mem ber. Some women do lie about rape. Its a fact. It is wrong. Its in the news all the time. Innocent men have their lives ruined and go.to prison sometime beaten and murdered based on false allegations. If you really are a rape survivor you should be just as angry as I am about false rape allegations because false rape allegations hurt the credibility of real rape victims.

One women in made a fals3 rape allegation to get out of paying her cab fare. A woman in the UK accused 10 men of raping her over a several year period. After the tenth or eleventh she was finally put in jail. And lets not forget the duke lacrosse and hostra scandal.

Think about this. It could be your father brother husband son or grandson facing a false allegation one day.

\" A review of 556 rape accusations filed against Air Force personnel found that 27% of women later recanted. Then 25 criteria were developed based on the profile of those women, and then submitted to three independent reviewers to review the remaining cases. If all three reviewers deemed the allegation was false, it was categorized as false. As a result, 60% of all allegations were found to be false.\"

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JackBarnes said:
"Speaking the truth hurts no one unless your a liar or unless you openly support an organization that makes a lot of money off spreading hate, sexism, misinformation and lies."

...Like Paul Elam does...

Oh applying their own tenets to them, hylie! That is completely below the belt!

Paul spreads hatred for the ideology of feminism which like racism is a good thing to hate. Everything else you said is a lie. Your a lying piece of **** feminist.

(JackBarnesMRA
On sexual assaults in the military. 13% false allegations.)

By my calculation that means that 87% rape allegations are true

A long drawn out way of saying "don't rape women and report any rape you suspect"
sounds like (un)common sense to me.

How did this turn into female and male bashing. Stay on topic don't rape don't blame the victim. Work for stiffer penalties for offenders and ways to lessen the trauma for those who are victims of sexual assault regardless of age, sex, race, or sexual orientation.
Why is this so hard to grasp? Sometimes it feels like we are becoming more uncivilized, instead of progressing toward humanity. We do need to educate our sons and daughters that rape should not be tolerated period. Like all crimes we will never be able to stop it but if we don't teach our children not to look the other way it will only get worse.

THANK YOU TRUDY! Agree with everything you said. There is nooo reason for this write up to have been hijacked to serve someones male vs. female agenda.

Rape is wrong. Blaming the victim is wrong. Raping either sex is wrong.

How is this even vaguely complicated? Sheesh....

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JackBarnes - wetter - I don't know how you've got the nerve to accuse ME of saying this, you snivelling, vituperative coward

WTF?!!!!!!!!!

BUS-TED!

Ouuuuuuch!

And Jack accuses US of misandry? Don\'t get me started.

Oh goodness looks like jack has made himself the butt of his own joke yet again.

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JackBarnesMRA said:

“The Kanin study may very well be false. I would like to see more unbiased studies conducted. I believe its a lot higher than 10%...
"False is the wrong word. Inaccurate is a better word. But right now its only one i trust. A lot of this studies were done by feminists.”

On the Kanin study:
Kanin...obtained information from a small Midwest policedepartment about the number of rape claims determined to be false (41%) over a ten year
period. As recently pointed out by Professor David Lisak (2007) at the University of
Massachusetts Boston, Kanin’s is not a research study, because it only puts forth the opinions of the police officers without any further investigation on his part. In addition, the study occurred in a jurisdiction in which the police department followed policy (now deemed unlawful by the U.S. Congress for police departments receiving federal funds) that required polygraphing complainants and suspects as a condition of investigating rape reports. Surely this practice encouraged many complainants to withdraw their accusations to avoid this trauma, thus elevating recantation (and hence “false”) rates, as Kanin himself admits."
Found on page 21 of
http://counterquo.org/assets/files/reference/The-Use-and-Misuse-of-Data-on-Rape.pdf

So you choose to accept the Kanin study even though it was very poorly done.
I think it safe to assume you believe it because it fits your preconceptions.

Maybe you can get behind these numbers?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/us/in-debate-over-military-sexual-assault-men-are-overlooked-victims.html?pagewanted=all
"In its latest report on sexual assault, the Pentagon estimated that 26,000 service members experienced unwanted sexual contact in 2012, up from 19,000 in 2010. Of those cases, the Pentagon says, 53 percent involved attacks on men, mostly by other men..."

Sexual assault is less of a "woman's issue" and more of a "human issue."

AND women are still blamed for their rapes. AND men are still blamed for their rapes. AND prison rape needs to stop. AND little boys are abused by people of both genders.
AND we need to look at this as a society.

The Kanin study is totes false, there is so no \"may be\" about it, when the whole world, and the scientific community has deemed it too flawed to be reliable then yeah it\'s safe to say we should not be using it.

Victims are often blamed for their rape. It is ALWAYS wrong.

Prison rape jokes are victim blaming.

**** shaming is victim blaming.

Statutory rape is rape and the rapists are to blame.

But why can\'t we at least be respectful to the author of this story, who is not here, and has not been here for years, and demonstrate our respect by commenting on the actual content of her original post? It seems a bit unfair for ANY of us to hijack her story, and I know its hard not to indulge Jack, believe I find myself often indulging him, but seriously why are we even entertaining his tantrum? He has already said he isn\'t here for anything other than to troll and derail. For goodness sakes he thinks answering simple yes, or no questions is \"sexist\" simply because he is not capable of answering them. He is willfully ignorant, he chooses to disregard logic, facts and evidence if he doesn\'t like the way they make him feel, he is obstinately irrational, there is no reasoning with him we should not allow him to hijack this person\'s story.

It\'s because he\'s a false accuser himself and he\'d like to persuade others that feminists get up to all the mean, underhand tricks he gets up to

The kanin study used lie detectors. If a person failed the test and still maintained that they were raped the were put in the actual rape category. Only people that admitted to lying were counted as false allegations. Kanin performed two studies. The first put the rate of false allegations at 60%.
Yes I can get behind rape is a human problem. Or a societal problem.

A review of 556 rape accusations filed against Air Force personnel found that 27% of women later recanted. Then 25 criteria were developed based on the profile of those women, and then submitted to three independent reviewers to review the remaining cases. If all three reviewers deemed the allegation was false, it was categorized as false. As a result, 60% of all allegations were found to be false.1 Of those women who later recanted, many didn\'t admit the allegation was false until just before taking a polygraph test. Others admitted it was false only after having failed a polygraph test.2In a nine-year study of 109 rapes reported to the police in a Midwestern city, Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin reported that in 41% of the cases the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred.3In a follow-up study of rape claims filed over a three-year period at two large Midwestern universities, Kanin found that of 64 rape cases, 50% turned out to be false.4 Among the false charges, 53% of the women admitted they filed the false claim as an alibi.5According to a 1996 Department of Justice report, “in about 25% of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI, ... the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing.6 It should be noted that rape involves a forcible and non-consensual act, and a DNA match alone does not prove that rape occurred. So the 25% figure substantially underestimates the true extent of false allegations.And according to former Colorado prosecutor Craig Silverman, “For 16 years, I was a kick-*** prosecutor who made most of my reputation vigorously prosecuting rapists. ... I was amazed to see all the false rape allegations that were made to the Denver Police Department. ... A command officer in the Denver Police sex assaults unit recently told me he placed the false rape numbers at approximately 45%.”7According to the FBI, about 95,000 forcible rapes were reported in 2004.8 Based on the statements and studies cited above, some 47,000 American men are falsely accused of rape each year. These men are disproportionately African-American.9

Links here. http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php#sdendnote1sym