would knowing make it any easier?

i believe it would make things easier ... but then again, what do i know?

if i knew what the 'grand plan' was for my life, i'd know what turns to make and what steps to take.  i might actually be able to speed up the process of getting where i'm supposed to be or at least be able to catch up with what used to be the plan after all the medical delay.

i guess the medical delay is part of the plan ... it must be ... but what to do with it?  hmm ...

then again ... maybe it's best i don't know what the plan is ... i might just give up if it's not what i had expected or wanted for my life.

fact is ... we all have to play a role in life.  there are lots of roles to be played and to a degree they are what we make of them.  with that said, i'm not sure whether to believe ultimate control is in the individual's hands and that they have control of their own destiny or if we have no control other than the choices we make.  is it all attitude?  or no?

the more i think about this question, the more confused i become ...

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16 Responses May 28, 2007

perhaps the path i was on was not His plan to begin with, perhaps this 'medical' mess was all part of the original plan and i simply need to figure out what to do with it all ... perhaps ... but yes, i think plans can be altered midstride by the omnipotent.

just shared this the other day: it is my greatest dream to move out in the middle of nowhere, build a 'green' house that is not dependant on their electricity and other services, raise a cow or two, a pig and some chickens each year, grow a garden including wheat for bread and live peacefully without 'their' interference in my life. it IS possible, however, the vast majority who have done this in the past ended up being 'profiled' and taken down by the FBI as some kind of criminal. the truth of the matter is, with each human being an individual, having their own morals/ethics and perceptions ... there's no ONE balance between gov't and society that will suit all people. and thus here we are at the beginning again ... with no real answer ... thinking and knowing the government is able to 'force' us to do anything in the US is beyond scary and many times the very reason there are homeless - those i've known were not willing to conform to government ideology and the 'expectations' of society. (many times i wonder if i'm on the verge of being homeless considering my anti-religion, anti-government attitudes.) if the government truly enforced 'participation' think of what all they could enforce at will. it's scary! VERY scary! i'd prolly go to prison or be exiled if they forced a 'religion' on me ... it wouldn't be pretty ... i know that much...

I look at the poor and homeless like this. We are forced to adapt to society...or we are forced to live in conjunction with society. The homeless obviously don't want to be involved in our lives, but for obvious survival reasons they gather in our cities to live off the people who are a part. Sweeping generalisations do not change society, you're right about that, but it is certainly an interesting situation where you MUST adapt to live with the accepted standards of other people, rather then run off into the wild lands and start a wild-family. Should the government allow others to exist sperate from society? or force the homeless and poor to participate in our games of work and consuming? I don’t know, I was just looking at stories I’ve commented on and had some thoughts… Peace out

i agree that there is neither total control nor total chaos ... although many would disagree with me. it's all in the individual's perception. the reason we don't have complete control is due to the outside forces that be - other's decisions affect our lives. the 'state' is constantly changing due to the new decisions we are faced with and thus our perception will change with the outcome of each decision we make and the outcomes of those decisions made by others. due to the constant change there can be no black and white. therefore, i don't understand people who are far right or far left. i don't understand fundamentalists of who advocate anything. i feel they are close-minded and have yet to truly experience much in their sheltered lives. otherwise they'd know better and admit to it. i believe many of them do know better, however, they've created an image they cannot change otherwise they risk their personal agendas. and we already know the bottom line of their personal agendas ... perpetual poverty and guilt upon the 'inferior' classes or those who don't agree with them entirely.

i knew where you were goin' with it and i was and still am completely with ya on it...

I didn't wrap that up very well. The personal responsibility thing comes from a belief in total control of self, as was discussed earlier, which I think doesn't exist. That whole personal responsibility bit doesn't take into account outside forces in the world. If we all lived isolated in a vacuum by ourselves then personal responsibility would be the ultimate. But there's billions of people out there acting and we have to deal with them too. I'm not saying people should have no sense of responsibility. I do think that's important. But it just bothers me how it's used. There's a similar problem with people who feel totally beat down by the world and can't control anything. It's in their mind but they believe the world to be chaos and that bad things will happen no matter what you do. I really find that taking the middle path on any issue is the right way to go. I don't believe in black and white.

i'm with ya, siddler!

Wow, you guys have said some interesting things. I just want to comment on one of the original things you said, "i'm not sure whether to believe ultimate control is in the individual's hands and that they have control of their own destiny or if we have no control other than the choices we make. is it all attitude? or no?" I think that it is neither total control nor total chaos. We do make decisions in our life that have far reaching consequences and that's true. But they don't dictate the entirety of our lives. As you said, many things occur that are outside of our control and have far reaching consequences. It seems to be a good combination of action and circumstances. One of the things that drives me crazy is really conservative republicans that talk about "personal responsibility" like it is the cure-all to all of lifes woes. If everyone would just be personally responsible, we would live in some kind of utopia. They use that in all kinds of ways. To put people in their place. Like poor people. They are responsible for being poor. They should just pull themselves up by their boot straps and go make some money. It makes for a lot of racism as well. Putting the onus of being poor on the minorities and their inferiority rather than a system that perpetuates poverty and keeps poor folks where they are. Sorry to tangent in such a way...thanks

while i have 'radical' views of beliefs in accordance to the vast majority, let's recall, according to the Bible, why Jesus was crucified. His views were 'radical' in those times. thus, i too, receive much persecution for the way i believe. i receive persecution from cerebral people like yourself, smebro, as well as the 'great christians' of this world. the disrepancies come into play when there's this large population of brainwashed people who cannot and will not think for themselves but rather allow some preacher to do it for them each sunday. they refuse to read and learn the 'truth' for fear of finding out something differing from what they've been 'taught' all their lives. they fear that persecution i face. they refuse to be radical. they conform to the uneducated majority. i don't presume His mind. i've read the Bible. the utmost it calls for is that you "abide in Me (Him.)" sure there are LOTS and LOTS of other 'mandates' but this is the most important of all as per the Bible. by abiding in Him all other 'mandates' naturally fall into place in your life.

It's too easy to assume what he wants, your god, and as you say there are other people with twisted views(in your opinion) of what his will is, the same applied to them, they see you as the one with a twisted view...how can there be such huge discrepancies between your versions of existence? How can you justify presuming the mind of a being you believe to be incomprehensible? This question can be asked of anyone who believes in a higher power and thinks they know what the higher power wants.

i agree that we don't have much to disagree on - definitely! as for the pain we suffer in this world ... i don't believe God causes that. it's our fault - our free will - our decisions and the consequences for same. we have to learn some how. i don't believe God hand delivers anyone a bucket of pain or that He devised it into our particular story at a particular moment. i realize my pain is due to my decisions. it's not up to God to free me from something i brought on myself ... that's ludicrous! although christian after christian will preach to you about being 'delivered from your bonds' etc. ugh!

i agree that we don't have much to disagree on - definitely! as for the pain we suffer in this world ... i don't believe God causes that. it's our fault - our free will - our decisions and the consequences for same. we have to learn some how. i don't believe God hand delivers anyone a bucket of pain or that He devised it into our particular story at a particular moment. i realize my pain is due to my decisions. it's not up to God to free me from something i brought on myself ... that's ludicrous! although christian after christian will preach to you about being 'delivered from your bonds' etc. ugh!

AGREED!

Hmmm, everything has a reason in hindsight, because by that point you have seen the fruits of chaotic interaction. I don’t believe that all the pain in the world is part of some grand plan, that would be intensely cruel on the part of the overseer.<br />
And everything is out of control! That’s a given, I’m out of control, you’re out of control, the computer is out of control. Control is a brief illusion.<br />
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Endnote: I don’t think we have too much to disagree on.

that's pretty much what i said. did you even read it? you "play" your "own cards" that "statistics deals" which is ultimately making decisions or choices in life's situations. however, the truth of the matter is you nor i have ultimate control of what will happen in our lives. it makes no difference what decisions you make or cards you play. sometimes things happen that are out of our control and completely unforeseen. in the end you realize it happened for a reason. if you haven't experienced this yet, buckle up!

I like to think I play my own cards. Statistics deals them and I make do with what I have.