History Is Our Great Teacher!





Morality has been replaced by situational ethics

America’s True Heritage

 By Dave Macy  Friday, April 10, 2009


There have been several books written in the past twenty years or so that have attempted to redefine the true Judeo-Christian foundation of America. One of the most thoroughly researched tomes before the turn of the last century was The Light and the Glory (Peter Marshall and David Manuel).

In this work the authors painstakingly shatter the modern myths of the Puritans and the early years of the birth of America. It’s not an easy read, but you get a real sense of how this country was destined to be that ‘city on a hill’ and how it has, through a changing culture, lost its way. Mark Levin’s Liberty and Tyranny is also well argued in favor of America’s constitutional and cultural foundation that has been crumbling at an ever increasing rate.

But while such writings attempt to recapture what was originally the soul and strength of this nation, one has to wonder if a return to what was once the glory of America is still possible. Sociologically we have moved the needle of the moral compass so far to the Left it may never swing back. In a time when morality has been replaced by situational ethics, when a culture is able to redefine such institutions as marriage, and where the sanctity of human life has become disposable, the claim that we are a ‘Christian nation’ rings hollow.

History is our great teacher. We can see the cancerous culture that led to the downfall of great civilizations. We can study the struggles of Israel when that people failed to keep God’s commandments. We are witnessing in this century the demise of the United Kingdom as one of closest allies cozies up to Islamic (Sharia) Law.

America cowers as a heathen minority corrupts the true meaning of the separation of church and state. A judicial system is allowed to legislate its own brand of morality without regard to the constitution. Our Christian churches for the most part have become impotent institutions that all too often preach a different gospel. And now we have a president who is seen as weak and conciliatory at a time when we need strength and resolve the most.

It’s easy to see how we are repeating the historical folly of once great civilizations. Pride, greed, lust, anger, gluttony, envy, and sloth have replaced faith, hope, charity, fortitude, justice, temperance, and conservatism.

How should those who yearn for a return to true values respond?

It starts with each of us taking ownership of our own sphere of influence. For the Christian it means living intentionally for the LORD. After all, the Christian faith was never intended to be a private matter. True believers should be outspoken about the hope they hold in Christ!

For the Patriot it means fighting for a return to the true foundational principles of America. It requires a boldness of faith, an unwavering stand on America’s foundational principles, and charity that allows others to express their differences while not tolerating any ideologies that ignore, contradict, or would do away with our moral conscience.



  Dave Macy has over 30 years experience as a radio talk show host in cities such as Atlanta, Toledo, and Nashville.  Dave has written a book and launched a website DoubtFreeLiving.com. Doubt Free Living is all about Living a Faith on Fire for the Lord! It’s about reassurance that God’s word is true. It’s about shaking off uncertainty by taking God at His word, and then putting that faith into action. Yes, it’s about being a bit of a Jesus Freak and not being ashamed to tell others. And Doubt Free Living is not just bold faith, but it is faith that shows itself in love.

Dave can be reached at macy@doubtfreeliving.com.

Josie06 Josie06
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18 Responses Apr 10, 2009

Wrong Josie.<br />
Bush 41 said "moral people of all kinds, christians, jews and Muslims..."<br />
That claim is FALSE.<br />
Likewise, the 1st Amendment does not protect religion from government, beyond forbidding congress from PROHIBITING a religion, there are no restrictions.<br />
Anyone, anywhere, can have 'free practice' while still being limited in time, place and costs.<br />
Taxation is specifically permitted.<br />
Now, there's a bright idea.<br />
issue bills for 220 years of back taxes to the churches, along with interest.<br />
Let them pay for the damage they have wrought.

i posted this article because it is an issue today. It is an issue because their are voices on both/several sides. Also, the press has brought it up and we both know that today the press doesn't 'report' the news it 'makes' the news.<br />
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Articles like this need discussion if we are ever to hope to find common ground rather than dissension and seeds of distrust.

So you characterize the beliefs and principles they held as being "Christian values" even though they undoubtedly held contempt for Christianity. Interesting. You are simply labeling their beliefs as being somehow "Christian" which I would call semantics. I'll just label their beliefs and principles as "Enlightenment" principles. <br />
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In the end, who cares? Since we both agree there has to be a distinct wall of separation between church and state.... then why would you post an article which makes the ridiculous claim that there really isn't a wall of separation and the trouble with America is that we've cut religion out of state matters?

mrk1908, no i didn't say that. You did.<br />
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i was stating what the Founding Fathers held dear as beliefs and principles which translate into character.<br />
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Moral or ethical issues are not synonymous with religious issues or with each other. Not everyone is religious yet they do have moral and ethical values. <br />
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Are you attempting to say something different?

Are you suggesting that to be moral or ethical one must be Christian?

VendettA12 ... you are not listening.<br />
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i agree with the words in the Treaty of Tripoli. There is as there should be a separation of church and state. Even though it is not written in the Constitution but rather a letter that Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association.<br />
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i am looking at principles and ethics upon which people base their life and their action. These guiding priniples reflect in the souls and goes to the very character of the individual.<br />
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Why would George Washington say "It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." It must be something in his character to leads him in this direction.<br />
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Or<br />
"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people...so great is my veneration of the Bible that the earlier my children begin to read, the more confident will be my hope that they will prove useful citizens in their country and respectful members of society." ~ John Adams<br />
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Yes, the Founding Fathers held contempt for religion because of the persecution that was handed down by governments in that time. But they had a moral fiber based on their beliefs, which permeated their character ... and the legacy they passed on to subsequent generations.<br />
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VendettA12, you are arguing semantics at this point. i am beginning to think you just like to argue, regardless.

So you say that America was founded on Christian principles but not any particular denomination. I'm not talking about denominations, I'm talking any form of Christianity period. Deists have more in common with agnostics than Christians. <br />
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Re: Jefferson as superintendent: Was that before or after he neutered the Bible into the Jeffersonian Bible? <br />
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The basis for the Constitution and our country was not religion, it was the Enlightenment. It would have been simple enough to base it on religious ideas. As I and others have pointed out, they went to great lengths to not do that. <br />
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How much clearer can it get than the Treaty of Tripoli? How can you reconcile that with your statement that America was founded on Christian principles... especially when there are mountains of evidence of the founding fathers contempt for any denomination of Christianity?

i said America has a Christian foundation based on the principles taught. Never did i say a specific denomination.<br />
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It's people believe in, even Deists, believed in it's ethics and principles ... and those formed the basis upon which the Constitution and other documents were written.<br />
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These ideas were not popular back then. They were not tolerated in some cultures back then. The same is true even today. <br />
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George Washington said, "As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." <br />
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George Washington thought about the subject: "True religion offers the government its surest support."<br />
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John Adams said: "Our Constitution is for a moral and religious people." <br />
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John Quincy Adams said: "The highest glory of the American Revolution was that it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."<br />
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Thomas Jefferson who held another job at the time he was president, that of Superintendent of Schools in Washington, D.C. ... as such he required only two books to be taught in the schools: The Holy Bible and Watts' Hymnal (any Christian principles in those books?).

From http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html<br />
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The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it. They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true. <br />
When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once. <br />
The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea of divine authority. <br />
The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion" (see below). This was not an idle statement, meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams. <br />
“Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”<br />
None of the Founding Fathers were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. Some people speculate that if Charles Darwin had lived a century earlier, the Founding Fathers would have had a basis for accepting naturalistic origins of life, and they would have been atheists. Most of them were stoutly opposed to the bible, and the teachings of Christianity in particular. <br />
Yes, there were Christian men among the Founders. Just as Congress removed Thomas Jefferson's words that condemned the practice of slavery in the colonies, they also altered his wording regarding equal rights. His original wording is here in blue italics: "All men are created equal and independent. From that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable." Congress changed that phrase, increasing its religious overtones: "All men are created equal. They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights." But we are not governed by the Declaration of Independence-- it is a historical document, not a constitutional one. <br />
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Quotes from Thomas Jefferson <br />
(you can find quotes from John Adams, James Madison, Ben Franklin, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Paine and others at the website cited)<br />
"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." <br />
- to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814<br />
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." <br />
- "Notes on Virginia" <br />
"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. <br />
- letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787<br />
"On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind." <br />
- to Carey, 1816 <br />
"Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself." <br />
-in his private journal, Feb. 1800 <br />
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"It is not to be understood that I am with him (Jesus Christ) in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism, he preaches the efficacy of repentance toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it." - to Carey, 1816<br />
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."<br />
"The truth is, that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come, when the mystical generation [birth] of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation [birth] of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." <br />
- to John Adams, Apr. 11, 1823<br />

Most of our Founding Fathers were actually Deists, who believe that God created the Universe, then sits back watching it. No miracles, no Savior - Jesus was just a good teacher. Thomas Jefferson even wrote his own Bible, the Jefferson Bible, which omits anything supernatural.

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" ... John Adams<br />
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"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." ....James Madison<br />
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"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here [England] and in New England."...Benjamin Franklin<br />
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"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. "... Thomas Paine

Not a Christian nation. <br />
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Maybe you should take a look at the preambles of all the 50 states ... all thank God.<br />
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The Presidents 'Grand Apology Tour' will not stop al Quaeda, did lower America in the eyes of the world and frankly sounds like a page out of one of Rev. Wright's sermons.<br />
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It appears the President doesn't even like his country, a country he was elected to LEAD.

Christian foundations, yes. A Christian heritage back to the Founding Fathers, in their words and in the the Declaration of Independence. Their belief in a Creator is one facet of out Christian heritage.<br />
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The Founding Fathers saw reason in separating church and state within the government. But that does not separate it from the lives of men and their beliefs.<br />
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." <br />
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"The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God.... Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts." John Jay (1784) <br />
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"Religion is the only solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man towards God." Gouverneur Morris (1791) <br />
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"[W]here is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation deserts the oaths...?" George Washington (1796) <br />
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"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams (1798) <br />
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"[T]he only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the ob<x>ject and life of all republican governments." Benjamin Rush (1806)

There you go again. Christian foundations? Simply not true. Believing it to be true or wanting it to be true, doesn't make it true.<br />
Truth must be externalized.

America is a nation with Christian foundations. This President dismisses that.<br />
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This government isn't secular. It loves and worships money and power.

This President shows weakness, i can not say that about the last President (esp. in the area of national defense). <br />
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The last President revealed a penchant for spending, which this one also has. The last president had a flaw in his go-along-get-along attitude also.

The United States isn't, nor has it ever been a "Christian Nation". The government is secular, always has been.

if you think this president is weak, what was the last one?