Reasons

Each day I ask my self this question.  Each day the answers I get sadden me.  Each day only leads to more questions.  Each day leads to more sadness for my country.

Do the reasons even matter anymore.  The republic we were given has now become a majority rules.

 

Grits4life Grits4life
46-50, F
29 Responses Feb 11, 2009

Well I have plenty to say to those greedy monakas,,,,America is lazy,,,and is producing more junk and changing high dollar,,,,and I don't have to vote,,,because God/Goddess is coming for all of you selfish peas,,,,Than we will see who is left standing after that,,,than we the people will take back what is real, and leave behind babylon,,,be for real and be one nation under God,,,,Love and Light Mary

very well said chromaticone

The US spends more on health care than any other country yet has so many diseases often due to a lack of personal responsibility. If people didn't choose a lifestyle that brought about obesity, cancer, std's or the effects of drugs that are supposed to make us slim and have well behaved children much of it would be unnecessary. The drug companies know that most people just want the easy way out or to play a lawsuit game rather than consider how to live healthier so they weigh out the profit compared to the lawsuit risk and start putting their ads on tv. The problem with our elected representatives is that we don't question their moral character enough. A persons true relationship with God (or lack thereof) will determine how they behave both in public and in private. A degree on the wall may support their ability to speak well or make large amounts of money for themselves or their friends but only a genuine faith with a sound code of ethics will begin to direct them to make the right decisions for the country. What it essentially comes down to is the fact that this great experiment called America provides the best opportunity that any man has ever had to live the best possible life. When people choose to ignore their personal resposibilty before God, family, and country and seek only personal benefits at the expense of others the result is an unhealthy, corrupt society destined for either facism or anarchy.

Well said whuttup12. <br />
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I doubt anything you've said (brilliant, insightful and accurate as it was) will make a dent in the mythology these people seem to have created for themselves.<br />
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I think the proof is in the fact that they seem somewhat incapable of explaining exactly how "government" is responsible for all their personal problems. They were raised to believed that "government is evil" and now whenever they see something subjective that they don't personally like....it must be government's fault! <br />
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Healthcare especially seems to reveal the faulty inner-logic they have.<br />
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"Government was never intended to give everyone healthcare, a job or a car or a house or a solid gold toilet!"<br />
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Ah. Note how they equate two totally different things.<br />
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Is offering universal healthcare more like universal police protection, universal education and universal fire/rescue....or is it more like "giving everyone a solid gold toilet"?<br />
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Most reasonable people not-blinded by an irrational hatred of government can see that "health" is more akin to "safety" -- that is to say it can't be classified as an optional consumer product -- and that it is more appropriate to provide equal access to "health" via sensible taxation than it is to treat chemotherapy as if it were an iPod or an Xbox.<br />
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People don't die long, slow painful deaths if they don't get an Xbox, so I wouldn't exactly say it makes sense to classify life saving chemo as "optional". And if it' not optional, then how can the free market really apply to it?<br />
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I would argue the decline in morals is more directly linked to the neoconservative Every-Man-For-Themselves mentality!<br />
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It's those "damn liberals" who are advocating to help others. WE are the ones worried about those losing their homes because they are going bankrupt because of medical bills. WE are the ones (we have bleeding hearts, remember?) worried about poverty and homeless vets and are trying to extend unemployment benefits (what Republicans call "entitlements" with disgust in their voice) and on and on.<br />
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Republicans, on the other hand, have a very different mentality.<br />
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"It's not my problem!"<br />
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I think we can trace any decline in civility or morality directly back to our Republican friends and their attitude of "It ain't my problem" more than we can to those "bleeding heart" liberals.

Mitch, rank these 3 examples from most upsetting to least:<br />
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1) Single parent household, kid is left unsupervised often.<br />
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2) Heterosexual couple with issues (let's say, alcoholism and wife-beater) raising a child.<br />
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3) Stable gay couple (married!) raising a child.

Sometimes divorce is a good thing--the right thing. I am greatful that my mother had the courage to divorce my father and go it alone at the age of 20, with two babies. I can't imagine how different my life would be today had I been raised in a household with my abusive and alcoholic father. Instead, I have the best step-father anyone could ever have, and I was raised in a household where I could witness everyday what a real marriage between two that love and respect each other looks like. Divorce can be the right choice for all involved, and often it is. Lets do a little less judging and realize that truly what it is all about is the pursuit of happiness. For everyone.

You say I am missing the larger point? I am concerned with civil rights and liberties, while grits is worried that our government is too big. <br />
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Which is worse, a government that is "too big" but where everyone has equal civil liberties, or a government that is passive and minorities and women are blatantly treated as inferior to white men? I'll take the former, thanks. <br />
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keithseeker says that the "church looked out for the community. We didn't depend on government to do this for us." Ok, but you ignore the fact that your church was the great enabler of slavery in this country. We overcame slavery DESPITE religion, not BECAUSE of it. As Sam Harris puts it: <br />
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"Racism was about as intractable a social problem as we have ever had in this country. We are talking about deeply held convictions. I'm sure you have all seen the photos of lynchings in the first half of the 20th century—where seemingly whole towns in the South, thousands of men, women and children—bankers, lawyers, doctors, teachers, church elders, newspaper editors, policemen, even the occasional Senator and Congressman—turned out as though for a carnival to watch some young man or woman be tortured to death and then strung up on a tree or lamppost for all to see.<br />
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Seeing the pictures of these people in their Sunday best, having arranged themselves for a postcard photo under a dangling, and lacerated, and often partially cremated person, is one thing, but realize that these genteel people, who were otherwise quite normal, we must presume—though unfailing religious—often took souvenirs of the body home to show their friends—teeth, ears, fingers, knee caps, internal organs—and sometimes displayed them at their places of business.<br />
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Of course, I'm not saying that racism is no longer a problem in this country, but anyone who thinks that the problem is as bad as it ever was has simply forgotten, or has never learned, how bad, in fact, it was." <br />
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We have made progress by fighting for legal rights. By discounting the need for that fight for legal rights, you are spitting on the sacrifices of many. <br />
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Instead of complaining about me calling grits insane, how about addressing the entirety of my comment to her? Grits seems to think that government did not have to step in and change laws in order to overcome slavery, Jim Crow, and women's suffrage. How could a person possibly assert such a thing? I say that anyone that does is insane. <br />
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Governments create laws, and enforce them. Without laws, anything goes. Are you people anarchists? Grits seems to have this fantasy that if government didn't step in and change laws, then people would have just eventually 'come around' and started treating blacks as equal men, that women would have magically just started voting without a constitutional amendment. <br />
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Divorce rates are through the roof, and you blame that on our changing 'morals'. I blame that on people getting married that shouldn't be getting married. You should be looking at the pressures our society places on young people to get married, at how single men and women are looked at if they don't 'settle down.' This causes people who have no business getting married to bite the bullet and do it because it is expected. Then when it falls apart everyone moans about our decaying morals. It's quite bizarre.

again yes, very good points cannondale. thank you for adding.

Whuttup again you seem to miss the larger point. Our Republic is dying and if you understood what the founding fathers had intended you would be alarmed at what is happening. "Morals" in our society have changed dramatically in the last 70 years. The concept of family has changed for the worse. Divorce rates are through the roof. The concept of community is being lost. Growing up we looked out for our neighbors. Our church looked out for the community. We didn’t depend on government to do this for us. Why the need to call anyone names here? You call her insane because you do not agree with her views? Maybe that is the best example of how our society has changed for the worse. You have little respect for other especially if they do not agree with your view points. What a sad commentary.

orien either way you say it, it is all the same thing. Not caring.

It is because no body gives a ****, er I mean feces, about morallity.

it seems Gina understands where I am coming from. Thank you.

I will not say anything about USA, because I don't know about it much... But morals and values are going down also in other places. (Is this the famous "Untergang des Abendlands?") Also the word "morale" has already changed it's meaning. Somehow MOST of it's meaning considers the sexuality of human beings nowadays. But love, greediness, honesty, friendliness, compassion etc. seems to be not anymore values of morale. Why? Because more and more value we give to things what we can measure with money. Or to qualities what help us to make more money. Nothing else matters. We want to measure everything. But we forget that there are things what can't be measured or weighted. When I switch my telly to the God Channel, I see that they measure even religion with money... weird and bizzarre.

whut I grew up in the 60 and 70 in Alabam. And I can tell you there were black and whites married to each other. There were evern blacks and whites marring each other in the 50's. <br />
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You can believe if you want that it was govenment that "made it happen" all you want. But it was like with anything else as humans we have to deal with facing what is different and having to process it from not the norm to acceptance. Even after the government steped in things only got worse for a while before it started to get better. It was a natural adjustment to acceptance with or without the government.

If you think women and blacks would have gotten the right to vote without government stepping in, you're clearly insane. If you think that blacks and whites would be able to marry today without the government stepping in, again you must be insane. <br />
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This moral decay you describe is anything but. We have progressed as a nation when it comes to civil liberties. If not for government intervention, forget about black men voting or being president, we'd still have slavery. You like to tout the founding fathers as being so wise, well they were wise for their time but they were still products of their time. Even as they produced documents saying that all men are created equal, they were at the same time slave owners. <br />
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How do you explain that? You know, since today our morals are so very bad and the founding fathers were so very wise?

here is a more direct example...I recently went to court over a speeding ticket...I could not get counsel because it was a misdemenor...but the police officer did. I could have been fined up to $750.00...that satisfys this states requirement for a felony. I was not allowed to introduce technology as a defense but the officer was allowed to explain in great detail his experience with radar guns and tuning fork calibration. justice is not blind, it plays with a stacked deck. The reason I went to court was because I was using my cruise control during three different speeding violations...my cruise was set at 65, 63 and 63...I was recorded at 77,81 and 78 but this is not admissable in court....

theonly, you will always have poor, sick, greedy, good and bad. decline of morals very easy to see, instead of indivduals takeing the time to give of themselves and help those around them in need a choice is made to just let the government do it and then we don't have to be bothered with it. Not turly giving of yourslef is the biggest moral decline of this country. Just allowing government to pump more money into programs and start more programs hasn't helped. We have created a generation of entitlements are a right. <br />
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A n explanation of the various forms of government and political systems, and why America is not a democracy, but a republic. A very imformative video and one that should be watched by all voting Americans for a clear understanding of what our founding fathers actually gave to us with The United States of America.<br />
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This is a ten and a half minute video that is very imformative in explaining the different forms of governments.<br />
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http://www.flixxy.com/political-systems.htm

American's morals are not declining just the people who observe them. Most Americans pay their taxes and obey the laws. It is that as Americans we have not held our politicians, athletes or movie stars to the same standards. If Blugo was alive at the time of Washington and Jefferson I have no doubt he would have been hung as a traitor. I have no doubt that if I raped 3 women, had two DUIs and bit the ears off a co-worker i would be in jail. A Child molestation charge and I would never see my daughter again. If I stole millions in tax payer dollars I would be hunted by the IRS. Capeche?

you are right cheesecowboy. The forcing of the government upon us and what they feel is right is only shifting from one group of people to another. Same problem just in a different package.

we have made progress in the rights of women, blacks and differently-abled but we lost sight of equality for all. I do not mean to offend anyone but as a single white male parent I have few options as to social services. The most prolific form of discrimination today is ECONOMIC...Barak Obama had many more options than I did. I will defend my argument if you wish by describing my road to divorce and how my ex used and abused me and the system to get what she wanted.

yes I do believe that women would have gotten the right to vote without government stepping in. I don't know the kind of people you have been around all your life but I was raised around people that helped each other regardless of skin color.<br />
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If you friend or neighbor needed money to pay a bill several families got together to help take care of it. You had someone sick and could take care of things around the house, people went over to help get it done. I grew up in an area with friends and neighbors took care of not only each other in time of need but also those they did not know if the help was made known.<br />
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My grandparents took people into their home more than once till they could get on their feet. Nothing was ever expected in return. People would be more this way if the government wasn't forcing them to "do as they say".<br />
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My family as continued this practice of charity both with money and with the sharing of our lives. The reason so many do not do these things anymore is because it is easier to just let the government do it. Yet, the people needing or no better off with government help.

Yes, I do believe that because a 1/2 black man in office that things are better than in the 50's. As a society, we are progressively as a whole overcoming stereotypes. How many public square lynchings do you hear about in the news these days? I am not saying things are all roses, but to say that things haven't come very very far from the days of segregation and slavery... well you have to be idiotic to make such a claim. <br />
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So you are trusting everyone to do the right thing and keep government out of it. Wow. If government stayed out of it, you couldn't vote. How would you feel about that? Would that be fine with you? I mean, government had to step in with a constitutional amendment to allow women to vote. Big bad government.

What I mean is our government is not following the Consitution. Our founding fathers did not promise each and every person health care, a house, a car, the perfect job, nor that those around us would treat us as equals. Only a safe way to persure these things. It is not the governments responsibility to make life fair. It is up to each individual's to choose to be fair. Forcing people to do what the governement and a "select group" feel is right is not what the consitution says.<br />
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Forcing all of these things on people only has the opposit effect. Our founders gave us a Republic not a democracy. There is a big difference. Do you really believe that just because a half black man was voted President that things are really any different from the attitudes of the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's.<br />
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All of the "changes for better" that so many feel are there are no different than they used to be. I was reaised in the South. The biggest difference is not change, or acceptence, it is politicial correctness and more people not fearing to show who they really are or hiding who they are just as it has always been. <br />
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The issues we have now are the same as from the beginnng of time they are just wraped in a different package. As humans we fail to learn from the past and keep repeating the same old stuff by just calling it something elese. Stimulas Bill instead of a Spending Bill.<br />
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Bottom line government is too big and they have no clue what they are doing and they refuse to hear what could be done to help without having to spend.

I don't want a fight, I want to hear exactly what grits means by this story, and to reply to my comment.

Gosh! I didn't know things were this bad! I guess we should go back to segregation, unequal pay, racial profiling, homophobia and religious intolerance! We were all soooo very happy back then!

There has only been a degradation of morals if your definition of morality is very limited. If anything, people are more accepting of differences than ever before. Maybe you noticed that we just elected a person of color to the White House. That could not have happened even a few decades ago. It's called progress. <br />
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An example of limited notions of morality: some people point to increasing acceptance of gay marriage as proof of our "declining moral values". In what way? Allowing gay people to get married fulfills our highest ideals, that all men are created equal and all Americans have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. <br />
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Last time I checked, gay people are still people. Why should they not get full protection under the law? Because two consenting adults stick their pee-pees in the 'wrong' place? <br />
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As for the lamenting of "majority rules"... look no further than the deceitful campaign for "Yes on Prop-8". This was a clear case of putting the rights of a minority up for a majority rules vote, and they overturned a court decision. This is mob rule and demonstrates the worst aspects of democracy.

All I can say is it's the "Anything Goes" society....

One thing that makes this country the great nation it is--the freedom of its citizens (within the lines of the law, of course) to decide and follow whatever moral code they wish, and define their own values. We all have that right as Americans, and isn't that wonderful?<br />
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I hold these freedoms dear and I am glad that I can decide for myself based on what feels right in my heart and mind.

i wonder too. And i have no real answers.